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« on: October 29, 2007, 05:34:17 PM »

I just did a random search for 'coptic Orthodox' in google video, and found this amazing video. I thought I would share it with you.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5082340622560171168&q=coptic+orthodox&total=816&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2007, 07:08:03 PM »

I wept. Truly beautiful video. Thanks for posting.

Grace and peace of our Lord be with you.

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 11:38:19 PM »

While the movie The Passion of the Christ is very moving emotionally, it fails to really enter into the genuine Orthodox understanding of the Crucifixion.
The following is a quote from Hiermonk Jonah, Abbot of the Monastery of St. John of San Francisco:

The Cross of Christ – Reflections on the Meaning of Christ’s Suffering

“Multitudes of Americans have flocked to see The Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson’s graphic depiction of the last hours of the Lord Jesus.  This film depicts the sufferings of Jesus in a radical way, and is nearly impossible to watch in its brutality.  It is a kind of an icon in film, though interestingly an icon not found in the Orthodox Tradition.

“As Orthodox, our iconography, as well as our liturgical texts, do not dwell on the physical and psychological sufferings of the Christ.  Jesus is always depicted dead on the Cross, at peace, in a gesture of complete acceptance of all that happened to Him, and embracing all in the cosmic pronouncement of forgiveness.  ‘Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.’  Neither does our theology focus on the physical suffering of Jesus as the ultimate ‘work of Christ.’  Rather, the Orthodox Tradition focuses on who Jesus is, as revealed by His work.

“While we do not downplay the sufferings of Jesus, we do see them in the context of the whole economy of salvation, as an aspect of our redemption and salvation.  It is the Son of God Incarnate who suffered in the flesh, for us and our salvation, at our hands.  As Orthodox we say, as do all other Christians, ‘He suffered and died for me, for my sins, because of my sins.’  But there is more to be said.  His suffering and death, and resurrection from the dead, reveal who He is – and who we are as well.  His Passion shows us how to endure suffering and transform it.

“The churches of the Roman Catholic tradition – papal, Protestant, evangelical, and charismatic – focus on the sufferings of Jesus as the very act of redemption.  This focus of the Western confessions comes from the theological development of their doctrine of the atonement.  This doctrine rests on presuppositions profoundly different from those of the Orthodox Tradition…”


There is much more to this article… I highly recommend reading it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2007, 12:18:50 AM »

This is definately an inspiring and thought provoking video.  Thank you so much for sharing it with the rest of us, SeekingtheTruth.

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 I don't think it was Mel's intention to enter into the genuine Orthodox understanding of the Crucifixion, as he is Roman Catholic and would not know of such things.  Entering into a genuine Orthodox understanding is always our responsibility, right?  And although the movie Passion of the Christ is perhaps not the best springboard for discussion, I've always felt it very inspiring and helpful for me (and I know other Orthodox Christians who feel the same way.)  As regards this snippet from the article with Hieromonk Jonah

though interestingly an icon not found in the Orthodox Tradition.

 It simply isn't true; I've seen an icon that depicts the scourging and carrying of the cross (what we see in the movie and what some Orthodox seem to object to) and you can too.  Just visit St Isaac the Syrian Skete website and look for the "Scourging and Carrying the Cross" icon painted in the 16th cent by Theophanes the Cretan.

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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2007, 12:21:34 AM »

I'm not sure where, but there was a debate on this somewhere else.  I think the whole idea of the video is a parallel of what occurs in the Liturgy with the movie.

I've personally argued if that there is an "iconic interpretation," it's strictly a Byzantine one.  Nevertheless, I'm not sure if there is a researched detail of a "Coptic iconic" interpretation, but I can venture to say that the graphic idea of suffering and guilt is very explicit in specifically our Gregorian Liturgy.

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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2007, 12:19:05 PM »

I just did a random search for 'coptic Orthodox' in google video, and found this amazing video. I thought I would share it with you.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5082340622560171168&q=coptic+orthodox&total=816&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
     
  thats the worst and  most gross thing i've ever seen ...the movie the Passion of Christ  ......as a eastern orthodox i hated that movie .....just curious why would the  Holy oriental  coptic orthodox church recognize or accept the passion of christ movie ...when they dont recognize roman catholic baptism or the roman pope only as a heretic ....must of been a coptic catholic that blended the two togeather in that clip...thats the only thing i could think of ..... Shocked stashko
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2007, 11:04:33 PM »

stashko
nope, that was made by a coptic orthodox christian (i personally know the maker).  actually, all the liturgical pieces are from my former parish in n. va.  concerning the film, i never quite understood why so many eastern orthodox had a problem with; but so it goes. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2007, 09:02:10 AM »

I just did a random search for 'coptic Orthodox' in google video, and found this amazing video. I thought I would share it with you.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5082340622560171168&q=coptic+orthodox&total=816&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Thats a beautiful video. It tells us so much about Coptic theology. Just kidding Ekhristos.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2007, 07:18:47 PM »

I have split off posts dealing directly with The Passion and put them in a new thread here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13321.0.html

If anyone wants to discuss whether Mel's movie was Orthodox or not, please post there. 



If anyone wants to discuss Ortiental Orthodox soteriology as compared to that of the West, you may post in another thread that is currently going:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13288.30.html



I would like to restrict this thread to comments directly related to the video linked in the original post.

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.
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