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Offline Αριστοκλής

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Happy Columbus Day!
« on: October 08, 2007, 12:35:25 PM »
Especially for those Greeks here who think he was actually from Chios!  ;)
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2007, 12:43:05 PM »
Especially for those Greeks here who think he was actually from Chios!  ;)

It comes up every year...
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2007, 01:06:59 PM »
My sister's Greek father-in-law insists it is true!
It must be a part of the elementary school curriculum in Greece.  :D

One Greek woman from NY said,"Let the Italians have their parade. We shouldn't try to spoil their day of glory."

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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2007, 01:29:09 PM »
My sister's Greek father-in-law insists it is true!
It must be a part of the elementary school curriculum in Greece.  :D 

It's a string of partial-truths and coincidences... 1. Many of the Genoese families from Columbus' day were refugees from Constantinople who had fled before the Turks could capture the city.  2. It is assumed by Greeks in America that most men named Christopher can trace their roots back to Chios, or to wannabe Chiotes.
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 02:41:38 PM »
Well, a proper investigation may soon reveal the truth in this matter:

The DNA Age: Seeking Columbus’s Origins, With a Swab (NY Times)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/us/08columbus.html?em&ex=1191988800&en=bc3ac60a4ab035fd&ei=5087%0A

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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2007, 03:08:09 PM »
Columbus opened up the doorway for my Spaniards ancestors to rape and kill my Indigenous ancestors, whiping out a culture and replacing it with a society of people which they considered second class citizens until they revolted and kicked them out.  The dispised fruit was El Nuevo Hombre, a product of the Old and New worlds.  We fought the rough terrain and political interfearance from Europe to make a new society: a society based on property rights, justice and a place where any could come for opportunity.

Today that land still exists.

Texas. ;)
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2007, 03:14:37 PM »
Well, a proper investigation may soon reveal the truth in this matter:

The DNA Age: Seeking Columbus’s Origins, With a Swab (NY Times)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/us/08columbus.html?em&ex=1191988800&en=bc3ac60a4ab035fd&ei=5087%0A

Well, maybe this will provide a singular answer...

And maybe it won't, considering the amount of gene-swapping and population moving that has occurred in Southern Europe over the last 510+ years.
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2007, 03:16:13 PM »
a society based on property rights, justice and a place where any could come for opportunity.

Today that land still exists.

Texas. ;)

So we go from old Columbus-related propaganda to new Columbus-related propaganda. ;)
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2007, 03:19:53 PM »
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So we go from old Columbus-related propaganda to new Columbus-related propaganda.


THAT'S RIGHT! ;D
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2007, 03:23:00 PM »
No matter...I'll just go and pour a nice glass on wine and toast old "Nikolaos Ypshilantis" anyway.  :D
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2007, 03:34:43 PM »
No matter...I'll just go and pour a nice glass on wine and toast old "Nikolaos Ypshilantis" anyway.  :D

In some stories I have heard he was a prince from Chios who had to hide his identity from the Turks!
But his royal background smoothed a pathway for him to speak with Queen Isabella.

These little "history" snippets are as charming as the storytellers who have shared them with me... ;)

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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2007, 08:37:04 PM »
The story that I always heard was that his navigator was from Chios. Everybody knows CC was Roman. ;)

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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2007, 08:42:40 PM »
His company makes good Genoa salami...
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2007, 01:13:05 AM »
The story that I always heard was that his navigator was from Chios. Everybody knows CC was Roman. ;)

Yes, but the question is: was he an eastern Roman or western Roman?
One Italian-American Orthodox priest I know always refers to Greeks as eastern Italians.  :D

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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2007, 01:39:06 AM »
Okay, first of all if anyone "discovered" the Americas it was Leif Ericsson, or Fr. Brendan or someone else.

Second of all, he didn't sight land until the 12th of October or the 24th October by the civil calendar), and didn't sight mainland America until his third voyage.

And third, it's Canadian Thanksgiving! Sheesh!
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2007, 02:39:48 AM »
Yes, but the question is: was he an eastern Roman or western Roman?
One Italian-American Orthodox priest I know always refers to Greeks as eastern Italians.  :D

LOL should be more like western greeks!
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Re: Happy Columbus Day!
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2007, 12:43:41 AM »
Most famous lost guy in history.

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