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Achieving Your Potential in Christ--Fr. Anthony Coniaris
« on: October 03, 2007, 08:53:18 PM »
Has anyone read this book?  What do you think?  Has there been any controversy concerning this book?

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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2007, 08:55:03 PM »
http://theosis.riewe.com/

Now I HAVE to read it.
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Re: Achieving Your Potential in Christ--Fr. Anthony Coniaris
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2007, 08:58:15 PM »
http://theosis.riewe.com/

Now I HAVE to read it.

lol...this was in a Coptic website as well, but I never got the chance to just sit down and read it.  It seems very simplistic.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2007, 09:01:01 PM »
I don't think Fr. Anthony writes for seminarians  ;)
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2007, 09:05:57 PM »
I'm just starting to read it this week.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2007, 09:17:09 PM »
No idea...just that the title sounds very....uhhh...Osteen-like.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2007, 09:21:27 PM »
I saw his quick reference to Tilhard deChardin.  First time I hard about him though was from a Greek Orthodox priest who seemed to tell me what Fr. Coniaris is saying here, but I haven't cared to read him either, although it seems very interesting.  The second time I read this name was when some Orthodox were actually condemning his writings.  So, perhaps, the mention of deChardin and "evolution" may seem to create a controversy.

No idea...just that the title sounds very....uhhh...Osteen-like.

lol...interesting
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2007, 09:53:13 PM »
I saw his quick reference to Tilhard deChardin.  First time I hard about him though was from a Greek Orthodox priest who seemed to tell me what Fr. Coniaris is saying here, but I haven't cared to read him either, although it seems very interesting.  The second time I read this name was when some Orthodox were actually condemning his writings.  So, perhaps, the mention of deChardin and "evolution" may seem to create a controversy.

lol...interesting

Dear Mina,

The writings of Fr Anthony are being condemned here as far as I know only in the Coptic church and only because he happens to be a popular author who is widely read amongst the youth of the Coptic church and presents teaching on theosis, a teaching which has been condemned as blasphemous and heretical by HH Pope Shenouda III amongst others.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2007, 10:24:07 PM »
As I noted, Fr Anthony is not writing for seminarians or theologians (but maybe should be more careful anyway). I understand the specific problem the Copts have with this book is in its not being clear that theosis is not our joining God in essence. I can see this as problematic myself.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2007, 10:31:18 PM »
As I noted, Fr Anthony is not writing for seminarians or theologians (but maybe should be more careful anyway). I understand the specific problem the Copts have with this book is in its not being clear that theosis is not our joining God in essence. I can see this as problematic myself.

Or more so that they interpreted it as if he said joining God "in essence"
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2007, 10:37:09 PM »
http://theosis.riewe.com/

Now I HAVE to read it.
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Re: Achieving Your Potential in Christ--Fr. Anthony Coniaris
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2007, 10:40:05 PM »
The link says "account suspended".... What's all the hubbub, bub?

WOW...just three minutes ago, it was fine!!!  >:(
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2007, 11:01:09 PM »
Bummer.

maybe here:

http://www.geocities.com/verseoftheday/theosis.html


May have to ignore some Evangelical commentary and it's only 3 of 4 chapter.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2007, 11:04:14 PM »
Or more so that they interpreted it as if he said joining God "in essence"

yes.
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Re: Achieving Your Potential in Christ--Fr. Anthony Coniaris
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2007, 11:23:18 PM »
Here's another one...let's hope this one doesn't go either...notice the similar html

http://www.geocities.com/verseoftheday/theosis.html

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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2007, 11:29:42 PM »
Strange they don't give Part 4...wonder why? Copywrite issues?
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Re: Achieving Your Potential in Christ--Fr. Anthony Coniaris
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2007, 11:35:47 PM »
Strange they don't give Part 4...wonder why? Copywrite issues?

I wondered that myself....also, the book has been "edited" by this G. A. Henry...perhaps, I'm just going to buy the book
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2007, 03:06:27 AM »
The title DOES seem kind of "Best-Life-Now-ish," huh?  :-\

My experience w/Fr. Anthony is that, as Αριστοκλής noted, he doesn't write for the learnèd or bookish, necessarily, and because of that, I love him.

I don't find anything heretical about his Introducing the Orthodox Church, and it is that book (instead of anything by Ware) that I would give to the not-so-intellectually-inclined members of my family if they wanted to know about Orthodoxy.  He's excellent at doing what my grandparents called "putting the cookies on the bottom shelf," or making things interesting and exciting for those of us not on the level of serious, literary criticism and tradition and canons and such.
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Re: Achieving Your Potential in Christ--Fr. Anthony Coniaris
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2007, 05:51:52 AM »
As I noted, Fr Anthony is not writing for seminarians or theologians (but maybe should be more careful anyway). I understand the specific problem the Copts have with this book is in its not being clear that theosis is not our joining God in essence. I can see this as problematic myself.

Fr Anthony has a chapter in his book clearly titled "What theosis is not" where he clearly contrasts the Orthodox doctrine on theosis with new age teachings on pantheism clearly stating that in Orthodoxy man does not partake of the essence of God.

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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2007, 07:53:48 AM »
Ah!  Maybe that is part of Part 4 and I misunderstood the copywrite non-issue. Original link above working again, so far..
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Re: Achieving Your Potential in Christ--Fr. Anthony Coniaris
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2007, 10:15:44 AM »
Notice how this one has a different editor...D.A. Riewe

Why the different editors?
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2007, 11:22:55 AM »
Might be interesting to make a side-by-side comparison of the text. I still wonder if these have been published with permission.
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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2007, 10:29:35 AM »
I read the book for the first time as an inquirer. The premise of the book caught my attention and proved to be quite correct. I was coming from the Free Methodist Church (Wesleyan doctrine, traditional conservative holiness) and felt that I was reading about the Wesleyan doctrine of Entire Sanctification. I know the Orthodox Church would continue to lead me toward holiness. Since then, I have learned how this happens much more effectively in Orthodoxy than in evangelical Protestantism. Yes, both doctrines find their source in the Early Fathers. It was an easy to read introduction. I'm glad I read it - and have done so as recently again as this past summer.

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