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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #765 on: October 02, 2012, 01:11:42 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

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Many children develop an unhealthy fascination with ungodly supernatural things, and in their teenage years they become drawn to Wicca, fortune telling, tarot cards, Oija boards, and other accouterments of the occult
I doubt there are very many occult teenagers that will say they got their love of these things from Halloween. Thats like saying "I became an alcoholic by attending an English Football match."
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Are you saying the latter situation is impossible? English football matches aren't necessarily known for being dry, stodgy affairs. It ain't Ascot.
No, Im not saying it is impossible. Im saying it is highly unlikely. I just think there are many more dangerous examples of occultism and demonic activities that lead to teenagers doing evil things than Halloween. I think it is used as an object of attack simply because its there.

If you remove Halloween, you'll do absolutely nothing about kids and the occult.

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I agree that it is highly unlikely, but that is no reason that Brother Gebre Menfes Kidus shouldn't (a) raise his children spiritually focused in whichever direction he prefers, and (b) express his feelings freely in the discussion even if we disagree.  The brother isn't attacking anything, simply expressing his genuine concerns.  I'm sure most of y'all have little experience with the Caribbean and have no problem then with pirates, or are not part of Indian families and so don't see the harm in cowboys. I am a part of both communities, and I see the big picture cultural harm our society receives when we ignore, romanticize, or trivialize these serious aspect of our mutual history. In regards to the occult and black magic, I live in LA, I have see many Santaria altars and offerings, even sacrificed roosters on street corners under murals of Saints, so in some respects our brother is not too far off.  Like the Caribbeans and Indian folks, does this necessarily directly effect everyone? Not necessarily, but as the good Doctor King explained, "Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere," so perhaps it should ;)

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Would you say that Santeria -- which I understand as essentially the worship of West African Deities -- to be equivalent in spirituality to "black magic" (which I understand to be consciously aimed at creating pain and suffering in others)?
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #766 on: October 02, 2012, 01:23:39 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


Would you say that Santeria -- which I understand as essentially the worship of West African Deities -- to be equivalent in spirituality to "black magic" (which I understand to be consciously aimed at creating pain and suffering in others)?
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Not necessarily African.

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #767 on: October 02, 2012, 01:27:52 PM »
Rather than delving into the controversy that many people have of Halloween and its origins, I look at it on a surface level usually.

It deals in fantasy, which is absolutely not real.   Often it promotes dark themes such as witchcraft, the undead, sorcery, and death.
The candy is not healthy either.

So on that basis (and not going into controversy), we do not participate in Halloween at all.

There are so many other fun things to celebrate than this.   Sometimes we just have a "fun day" celebration at our house, where the kids make a cake and we have a leisure type of evening of reading & snacks.   Sometimes its telescope night... Sometimes its go-kart time.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #768 on: October 02, 2012, 02:47:20 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


There are so many other fun things to celebrate than this.   Sometimes we just have a "fun day" celebration at our house, where the kids make a cake and we have a leisure type of evening of reading & snacks.   Sometimes its telescope night... Sometimes its go-kart time.

How do you deal with the local neighborhood, school, or your children's friends? This doesn't cause social interaction issues? Again, I am not trying to force Halloween on anyone, I already defended Brother Gebre Menfes Kidus' more controversial opinions, and as I said, my own about cowboys and pirates are probably not widely shared on this forum.  I am just curious if this separation from the local culture causes any conflict in your household with your children, and perhaps what constructive strategies you and your wife use to alleviate the potential tension? We all could learn from what works for you if that is the case :)

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #769 on: October 02, 2012, 02:49:34 PM »
Well, if you're brought up correctly, usually these "witches, ghouls, and monsters" are usually mocked, not necessarily glorified as they are on television.  If you know witchcraft isn't real, these costumes are on to mock them.

As for video game characters though, they're glorified  ;) :P

PS  One time I saw a couple dressed up as Britney Spears with a baby and a steering wheel attached to her waist.  That was hilarious and very clearly a mockery of a celebrity.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #770 on: October 02, 2012, 04:01:49 PM »

Dressing up is always fun...especially for kids!  Forbidding them from participating in "Trick-or-Treating" is such a downer for them.

Where I live there a huge subdivisions filled to the rim with kids.  On Halloween the whole place comes alive, all laughing and giggle and running around.  It's pretty safe, so other than the really tiny ones, the older kids run around in little mobs....with a chaperon meandering behind at a distance.

Not to be a complete "stick in the mud", we put a twist on the event last year.

A few weeks prior to Halloween, we organized the kids of our chapter of the Jr. Ukrainian Orthodox League to collect cans for local homeless shelters.  We made a flyer and the kids passed this flyer out along their "trick-or-treating" routes, along with a plastic bag.

On Halloween evening, when I drove to my nieces' neighborhood, I was smiled to see a number of houses with the flyers attached to filled bags sitting by the mailboxes and front porches.

The kids then went out and instead of pulling pranks or causing mischief, they collected these canned goods.....and sometimes got some candy, as well.  It was a win-win situation.  They got to dress up, walk around with their friends....and do a good deed at the same time.

This was the flyer:






...and here are the results:



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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #771 on: October 02, 2012, 04:46:30 PM »
I do not necessarily know about the day in itself, but--unless you are a small child--how can you really celebrate on Halloween WITHOUT participating in sin? I mean, sure children can go trick-or-treating for candy, but older folks like us cannot. Instead, all we can do for fun on Halloween is drink (which I don't!), indulge in carnal desires by watching women dress slutty, and get involved in stupid mischief like vandalizing stuff--all of which is probably forbidden by Orthodoxy.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #772 on: October 02, 2012, 04:49:23 PM »
I do not necessarily know about the day in itself, but--unless you are a small child--how can you really celebrate on Halloween WITHOUT participating in sin? I mean, sure children can go trick-or-treating for candy, but older folks like us cannot. Instead, all we can do for fun on Halloween is drink (which I don't!), indulge in carnal desires by watching women dress slutty, and get involved in stupid mischief like vandalizing stuff--all of which is probably forbidden by Orthodoxy.

Drinking is forbidden by Orthodoxy since when?
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #773 on: October 02, 2012, 04:49:49 PM »
I do not necessarily know about the day in itself, but--unless you are a small child--how can you really celebrate on Halloween WITHOUT participating in sin? I mean, sure children can go trick-or-treating for candy, but older folks like us cannot. Instead, all we can do for fun on Halloween is drink (which I don't!), indulge in carnal desires by watching women dress slutty, and get involved in stupid mischief like vandalizing stuff--all of which is probably forbidden by Orthodoxy.

Or you can just have a costume party and enjoy some adult beverages in a responsible manner (you know that "wine that maketh glad the heart of man"?) and get together with friends and family and maybe make some new ones.

Or you can just continue to be a killjoy and burn out again.  

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #774 on: October 03, 2012, 12:54:32 PM »

Dressing up is always fun...especially for kids!  Forbidding them from participating in "Trick-or-Treating" is such a downer for them.

Where I live there a huge subdivisions filled to the rim with kids.  On Halloween the whole place comes alive, all laughing and giggle and running around.  It's pretty safe, so other than the really tiny ones, the older kids run around in little mobs....with a chaperon meandering behind at a distance.

Not to be a complete "stick in the mud", we put a twist on the event last year.

A few weeks prior to Halloween, we organized the kids of our chapter of the Jr. Ukrainian Orthodox League to collect cans for local homeless shelters.  We made a flyer and the kids passed this flyer out along their "trick-or-treating" routes, along with a plastic bag.

On Halloween evening, when I drove to my nieces' neighborhood, I was smiled to see a number of houses with the flyers attached to filled bags sitting by the mailboxes and front porches.

The kids then went out and instead of pulling pranks or causing mischief, they collected these canned goods.....and sometimes got some candy, as well.  It was a win-win situation.  They got to dress up, walk around with their friends....and do a good deed at the same time.

This was the flyer:






...and here are the results:




That is really nice...God bless!  :)
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #775 on: October 03, 2012, 12:55:20 PM »
I do not necessarily know about the day in itself, but--unless you are a small child--how can you really celebrate on Halloween WITHOUT participating in sin? I mean, sure children can go trick-or-treating for candy, but older folks like us cannot. Instead, all we can do for fun on Halloween is drink (which I don't!), indulge in carnal desires by watching women dress slutty, and get involved in stupid mischief like vandalizing stuff--all of which is probably forbidden by Orthodoxy.

The same thing is done in Christmas, New Years, St. Patrick's Day, etc.  Just because it's Holloween, doesn't mean you can't participate without sinning.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #776 on: October 03, 2012, 02:48:04 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I do not necessarily know about the day in itself, but--unless you are a small child--how can you really celebrate on Halloween WITHOUT participating in sin? I mean, sure children can go trick-or-treating for candy, but older folks like us cannot. Instead, all we can do for fun on Halloween is drink (which I don't!), indulge in carnal desires by watching women dress slutty, and get involved in stupid mischief like vandalizing stuff--all of which is probably forbidden by Orthodoxy.



Easy on that Catharism there young blood, in Orthodox we may be chaste, but we are far from prudes ;)

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #777 on: October 03, 2012, 03:07:48 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I do not necessarily know about the day in itself, but--unless you are a small child--how can you really celebrate on Halloween WITHOUT participating in sin? I mean, sure children can go trick-or-treating for candy, but older folks like us cannot. Instead, all we can do for fun on Halloween is drink (which I don't!), indulge in carnal desires by watching women dress slutty, and get involved in stupid mischief like vandalizing stuff--all of which is probably forbidden by Orthodoxy.



Easy on that Catharism there young blood, in Orthodox we may be chaste, but we are far from prudes ;)

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #778 on: May 31, 2016, 01:05:42 PM »
This is not Orthodox, so it must not be celebrated.

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
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What is this? Jehovah's Witnesses? What's next? You gonna tell me I can't celebrate Mardi Gras? What a joke.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #780 on: May 31, 2016, 01:32:26 PM »
This is not Orthodox, so it must not be celebrated.

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #781 on: May 31, 2016, 01:34:01 PM »
This is not Orthodox, so it must not be celebrated.

Do you celebrate your birthday?

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #782 on: May 31, 2016, 01:54:14 PM »
If it is celebrated to you then celebrate it, also to us little children are being taught in school and they wear the costumes and go for titbits. We have All Souls Days, 3 in the year. In those days are giving food for the souls of the dead relatives now next is cherry All Souls Day (we call it for souls). It is giving bread, boiled wheat, oils, olives, sweeties and many others. I am already aware that this is Christian feast, but to us is in another time in the year and it is celebrated by another way which is similar to yours. We have All Saints Day (svih svetii) on the 1st Sunday after Pentecost on 26 June.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #783 on: May 31, 2016, 01:55:40 PM »
This is not Orthodox, so it must not be celebrated.

All Saints Day is an Orthodox holiday.

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_Calendar

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In the Western churches, All Saints is November 1. Halloween, Eve of All Hallows, is simply the day before that. It's become a day for costume parties and a day for kids to collect candy.

Nothing to be afraid of, unless you pay too much attention to Jehovah's Witnesses and fundamentalists, who aren't the best sources to begin with.

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #784 on: May 31, 2016, 02:04:01 PM »
This is not Orthodox, so it must not be celebrated.

All Saints Day is an Orthodox holiday.

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_Calendar

Sunday of All Saints

1st Sunday after Pentecost
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In the Western churches, All Saints is November 1. Halloween, Eve of All Hallows, is simply the day before that. It's become a day for costume parties and a day for kids to collect candy.

Nothing to be afraid of, unless you pay too much attention to Jehovah's Witnesses and fundamentalists, who aren't the best sources to begin with.

I don't have nothing in common with Jehovah's Witnesses and fundamentalists I just wasn't aware of that this is the same feast who is celebrated to us.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #785 on: May 31, 2016, 02:48:42 PM »
In the British Isles, where the custom originated, in pre-Christian times, it was always a folk celebration for the beginning of winter, the last harvest in the year. When Christianity was established, the All Saints celebration was tacked on. All that's needed for a genuinely traditional Halloween party is an open fire, a barbecue, a good spiced punch, and apples in some form.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #786 on: May 31, 2016, 02:55:01 PM »
This is not Orthodox, so it must not be celebrated.

All Saints Day is an Orthodox holiday.

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_Calendar

Sunday of All Saints

1st Sunday after Pentecost
   June 26, 2016

In the Western churches, All Saints is November 1. Halloween, Eve of All Hallows, is simply the day before that. It's become a day for costume parties and a day for kids to collect candy.

Nothing to be afraid of, unless you pay too much attention to Jehovah's Witnesses and fundamentalists, who aren't the best sources to begin with.

I don't have nothing in common with Jehovah's Witnesses and fundamentalists I just wasn't aware of that this is the same feast who is celebrated to us.

Then maybe you shouldn't have reopened a very old thread in order to scold people for something you don't know.

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #787 on: May 31, 2016, 02:56:28 PM »
I love the strident defence of Halloween, though I didn't expect it to come so early this year.  Global warming? 
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #788 on: May 31, 2016, 03:01:25 PM »
What's there to celebrate?
I admit you go out and enjoy the circumstances with parcimony, maybe even wear a little costume just for the lulz.
Celebrate it like it's some big deal? No.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #789 on: May 31, 2016, 03:05:45 PM »
What's there to celebrate?
I admit you go out and enjoy the circumstances with parcimony, maybe even wear a little costume just for the lulz.
Celebrate it like it's some big deal? No.

For the little ones, dressing up and going out after dark to collect candy is a very big deal.

For grown-ups... anything one feels worth celebrating is de facto a big deal. Look at V-day. ::)
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #790 on: May 31, 2016, 03:18:27 PM »
Should we be educating our children to behave in a pagan fashion and to indulge in gluttonery?  ::)
You think V-Day shouldn't be celebrated? That's actually a big deal.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #791 on: May 31, 2016, 03:23:09 PM »
Should we be educating our children to behave in a pagan fashion and to indulge in gluttonery?  ::)

Define 'behaving in a pagan fashion'.

You think V-Day shouldn't be celebrated? That's actually a big deal.

As I said, if you celebrate something, it is because it is a big deal to you. If the same thing not a big deal to someone else and they don't celebrate it, that's their own business.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #792 on: May 31, 2016, 03:24:59 PM »
Should we be educating our children to behave in a pagan fashion and to indulge in gluttonery?  ::)
You think V-Day shouldn't be celebrated? That's actually a big deal.

Valentine's Day is a big deal?
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #793 on: May 31, 2016, 03:26:09 PM »
I don't think so.
But I don't think it's illicit to celebrate it.
Should I start with the old cliché that it's a date fixed to make money on commited people?  ::)
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #794 on: May 31, 2016, 03:28:08 PM »
I don't think so.
But I don't think it's illicit to celebrate it.
Should I start with the old cliché that it's a date fixed to make money on commited people?  ::)

Valentine's Day is practically Adult Halloween.  Each is as bad or good as the other.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #795 on: May 31, 2016, 03:28:32 PM »


Define 'behaving in a pagan fashion'.

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As I said, if you celebrate something, it is because it is a big deal to you. If the same thing not a big deal to someone else and they don't celebrate it, that's their own business.

Aw, come on. Do I really need to point that Halloween is a festivity grounded on pagan practices?

Sooo if I want to go out as a christian and celebrate a pagan event, it's fine? None of your buzz? Christian practice?
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #796 on: May 31, 2016, 03:29:36 PM »


Valentine's Day is practically Adult Halloween.

Not here. Maybe it's different where you live.
Here we just buy a companion gifts.
At least it's what I do.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #797 on: May 31, 2016, 03:32:17 PM »
Aw, come on. Do I really need to point that Halloween is a festivity grounded on pagan practices?

Agriculture and animal husbandry are pagan practices? You'd better dine exclusively on Uncreated Light, then...
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #798 on: May 31, 2016, 03:32:25 PM »


Valentine's Day is practically Adult Halloween.

Not here. Maybe it's different where you live.
Here we just buy a companion gifts.
At least it's what I do.

What does Halloween involve down there?
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #799 on: May 31, 2016, 03:36:38 PM »

Agriculture and animal husbandry are pagan practices? You'd better dine exclusively on Uncreated Light, then...

I think we're done. :laugh:

@Mor Ephrem: nothing much really. Some people (mostly english schools) organize theme/costume parties sometimes, that's pretty much it. It's barely noticeable.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #800 on: May 31, 2016, 05:11:58 PM »
I find results of this poll a bit disturbing.

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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #801 on: May 31, 2016, 11:53:42 PM »
I am particularly fond of the John Sanidopoulos arguments for this subject.
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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #802 on: June 01, 2016, 04:14:23 AM »
Should we be educating our children to behave in a pagan fashion and to indulge in gluttonery?  ::)
You think V-Day shouldn't be celebrated? That's actually a big deal.


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Re: Is it OK for Orthodox Christians to celebrate Halloween?
« Reply #803 on: June 01, 2016, 05:03:20 AM »
I am particularly fond of the John Sanidopoulos arguments for this subject.

Especially this.
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