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Following Christ vs being like Christ
« on: October 15, 2017, 07:18:11 PM »
What's the difference?
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Re: Following Christ vs being like Christ
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2017, 07:26:59 PM »
I don't think I'm familiar with this dichotomy can you give an example, or put this in context?
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Re: Following Christ vs being like Christ
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2017, 08:40:11 PM »
I don't think I'm familiar with this dichotomy can you give an example, or put this in context?

I remember a while ago that being told that Western churches teach to "follow Christ" as opposed to how us Orthodox teach to be like Christ.
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Re: Following Christ vs being like Christ
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2017, 08:54:26 PM »
sorry, I don't think I can help you.  To me they are nearly interchangeable if that's worth anything.
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Re: Following Christ vs being like Christ
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2017, 10:31:57 AM »

There is a HUGE difference.

One can blindly follow instructions....without understanding or any deeper meaning.   This would be akin to the Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector.  The Pharisee was a "follower"....he prayed regularly, gave alms, etc.....but, what of it.

Or the young man who asked Christ what he needed to do for salvation...and when Christ told him to follow the Commandments, etc...the young man said he already does all that...so, then Christ told him to distribute his wealth (like Christ)...and give it to the poor....and he was troubled and left.

When we are "like" Christ....we do not have to read the instructions and check of the items on the list....we merely "live"....and through our actions we live as Christ would want us....we are humble, generous, kind and merciful.

We are servants...by choice...not slaves...who must follow blindly.
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Re: Following Christ vs being like Christ
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2017, 04:21:01 PM »
What's the difference?

Probably this alludes to the idea that some Western Christians see the salvation of Christ as merely a moral endeavor, or at the very least the moral endeavor takes priority.  Eastern Christians do not deny the moral endeavor, but preface this endeavor by making the communion and partaking of the fullness of Christ as the priority of our salvation.  This is probably what it means to “follow” versus “being like” Christ.
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Re: Following Christ vs being like Christ
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 04:34:27 PM »
Scripture says to do both, so it'd all depend on whether someone was misusing one term or another. If you come across a specific example feel free to post it...
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Re: Following Christ vs being like Christ
« Reply #7 on: Today at 02:02:55 AM »
I don't think I'm familiar with this dichotomy can you give an example, or put this in context?

I remember a while ago that being told that Western churches teach to "follow Christ" as opposed to how us Orthodox teach to be like Christ.

This is confusing statement, you dont want to transform yourself into Christ, because then you will become an antichrist. There is only one King.

What your goal should be is to unite yourself with this King, as st Paul says that it is no longer he who lives but Christ who lives in him.

And as the gospel of john says, if you want Christ to come and live in your heart, you have to fulfill His commandments, then he will come with the Father and make you His home.
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Re: Following Christ vs being like Christ
« Reply #8 on: Today at 06:57:32 AM »
They are the same, as Jesus suggests when he says, take up your cross and follow me. People trying to fabricate another east-west division from this is bizarroland.
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Re: Following Christ vs being like Christ
« Reply #9 on: Today at 07:25:32 AM »
They are the same, as Jesus suggests when he says, take up your cross and follow me. People trying to fabricate another east-west division from this is bizarroland.
Lol I swear I've heard some Orthodox scoff at the notion of "Imitating Christ" as anothee Western trait. Imitation! Kempis had it all wrong!
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