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« on: August 24, 2007, 04:45:56 AM »

Just wondering if anyone knows a website (or websites) where I can compare the synaxariums of different Churches?

Also, is it possible to obtain hard copies and/or virtual editions of the synaxariums of various Churches?

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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2007, 10:51:17 PM »

sorry didymus but just curious what is a Synaxarium?
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2007, 12:39:33 AM »

sorry didymus but just curious what is a Synaxarium?

Listing of saints in order of each's feastday. May include also the Lives of the Saints as well.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2007, 01:52:22 PM »

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You can find an online Coptic Synaxarium here.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2007, 03:06:03 PM »

Perhaps prodromas was confused by the strange plural used in this thread's title. The plural of Synaxarium is Synaxaria.

And as long as I'm being pedantic: Why even use "Synaxarium." Seems like an unnecessary latinization of the original "Synaxarion".
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2007, 03:28:03 PM »

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And as long as I'm being pedantic: Why even use "Synaxarium." Seems like an unnecessary latinization of the original "Synaxarion".

I'll raise you one on the pedantic level.  Why still use the Latin transliteration system when the majority of people using the translitterated word are Anglophones with no knowledge of Greek - hence there is no reason to retain Greek orthographic conventions.  ι, η, υ, and οι could all be transliterated into English as "i" rather than i, e, y, and oi.  This is even more important with ευ and αυ being transliterated as ev/ef and av/af rather than eu and au. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2007, 05:05:10 PM »

Personally I have no problems with a bit of Latin. After all, they to used to be Orthodox.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2007, 06:07:35 PM »

Personally I have no problems with a bit of Latin. After all, they to used to be Orthodox.

I remember chanting the hymn (in Gregorian style) of Coelius Sedulius entitled A solis ortus cardine after the Liturgy ended.  The hymn is pre-schism and a very beautiful one with a great melody.  Lutherans use the same hymn melody but in the vernacular and, I think, Catholics will still use it on occasion.  However,  because I used Latin that one time for forty seconds, I was labled as the "Papist".  Unfortunately, the title has stuck so now I'm doing penance by chanting as much Greek as possible.  I have not yet been accused of being a Phanar agent (not trying to step on your toes, GiC  Wink) infiltrating the Antiochians. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2007, 11:27:04 PM »

Let's get back on topic please!

I don't think you will find one copy in an online form in one place on the internet. As a matter of fact I don't know of many places online that have complete a Synaxarion. You will find bits and pieces of the information on most of the jurisdictional websites in America. There are a couple of printed versions in different forms that are available in the English languages that you can get at any of the Orthodox book retailers.
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2007, 08:29:17 AM »

Perhaps prodromas was confused by the strange plural used in this thread's title. The plural of Synaxarium is Synaxaria.

And as long as I'm being pedantic: Why even use "Synaxarium." Seems like an unnecessary latinization of the original "Synaxarion".

Nope just an ignorant fool is I, lol
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2007, 02:40:43 PM »

Let's get back on topic please!

I don't think you will find one copy in an online form in one place on the internet. As a matter of fact I don't know of many places online that have complete a Synaxarion. You will find bits and pieces of the information on most of the jurisdictional websites in America. There are a couple of printed versions in different forms that are available in the English languages that you can get at any of the Orthodox book retailers.

It is not a Synaxarion per say, but the Great Horologion published by HTM has the dismissal hymns and kontakia for every day and feast days in the calendar.  Some saints, especially some of the newer Slavic ones, may be omitted and even those deemed "iffy" by the Greeks, e.g. St. Augustine.  But there is an explanation of each saint and feast.  If we do read from the Synaxarion at Matins following the Intercession, we do read the HTM version.

I do know that the LA diocese of the Antiochian archdiocese has the complete rubrics for Matins for all Sundays and feastdays, including the reading from the Synaxarion.  It is always marked as "abridged" so I'm not sure where they are getting their info.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 10:23:28 AM »

pensateomnia, I use it because I speak English which is a language influenced by Latin. Thank you for letting me know the plural as I had not heard it before and did not think of this less common suffix.

Cephas, thank you however I already have e-Katamarous on CD Smiley May I please ask if the first words you use are Coptic?

arimethea, thank you for redirecting the topic:)

All, Can anyone then please tell me, is the "The Prologue of Ohrid" (see: http://www.pomog.org/prologue.shtml or http://www.westsrbdio.org/ads/prolog.html) a synaxarium or not?
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2007, 11:49:55 AM »

Can anyone then please tell me, is the "The Prologue of Ohrid" (see: http://www.pomog.org/prologue.shtml or http://www.westsrbdio.org/ads/prolog.html) a synaxarium or not?
There are elements to the Prologue that are a Synaxarion but it goes beyond just being a Synaxarion because of the commentary and sermons that are found within the book.
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2007, 09:20:20 AM »

+ Irini nem ehmot,

Cephas, thank you however I already have e-Katamarous on CD Smiley May I please ask if the first words you use are Coptic?

Oh okay, my bad then.  Smiley

Yes, the first words I use are Coptic.  They mean 'peace and grace'.
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2007, 11:19:25 AM »

Cephas, no bad on your part thanks mate. Thought we had heard your first words yet wasn't sure as our local mission is almost entirely composed of Australian natives (if I may put it that way). May peace and grace also be with your spirit Smiley

arimethea, thank you. Could you clarify exactly what you mean though? How does the commentary go beyond being a synaxarium?
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2007, 02:52:46 PM »

Could you clarify exactly what you mean though? How does the commentary go beyond being a synaxarium?
A Synaxarion is a listing of saints for a day and a short spiritual biography. The Prologue of Ochrid includes sermons and other spiritual writings that would normally not be found in a true Synaxarion.   
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2007, 07:32:32 AM »

Would it be fair to say that it's a Synaxarium with additional information then?
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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2007, 08:04:05 AM »

Would it be fair to say that it's a Synaxarium with additional information then?

Yes and no... Yes, insofar as it is a listing of saints with additional information (long bio, sermons, etc. as arimethea pointed out); no, because a Synaxarion is technically an authoritative list for a particular Autocephalous church, and these other compilations (like the Prologue) are not.
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2007, 01:25:58 PM »

Yes and no... Yes, insofar as it is a listing of saints with additional information (long bio, sermons, etc. as arimethea pointed out); no, because a Synaxarion is technically an authoritative list for a particular Autocephalous church, and these other compilations (like the Prologue) are not.

A Synaxarion is something by usage made perfect.
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2007, 03:59:36 PM »

A Synaxarion is something by usage made perfect.

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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2007, 11:24:07 AM »

A Synaxarion is something by usage made perfect.

Forgive my ignorance please but could you clarify what this means please? Thank you.

cleveland, thank you for your assistance. Please say if you know where/how I might obtain copies of the synaxariums of various Churches (other than the Coptic which I have). Are you able to give me a Serbian Synaxarium reading for October 18 (Julian/Church Calendar) also please? Thank you.
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2007, 12:45:51 PM »

cleveland, thank you for your assistance. Please say if you know where/how I might obtain copies of the synaxariums of various Churches (other than the Coptic which I have). Are you able to give me a Serbian Synaxarium reading for October 18 (Julian/Church Calendar) also please? Thank you.

http://www.serbianunity.net/spc/kalendar.html (Electronic Calendar)

http://www.westsrbdio.org/ads/Calendar07.html  (Purchase a copy of the 2007 Calendar)
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2007, 08:01:49 PM »

cleveland, thank you for your assistance. Please say if you know where/how I might obtain copies of the synaxariums of various Churches (other than the Coptic which I have). Are you able to give me a Serbian Synaxarium reading for October 18 (Julian/Church Calendar) also please? Thank you. 

You can find a mostly complete listing on the Goarch website under Calendar (www.goarch.org/en/chapel/).  If you read Greek, then a complete set of the books of the month (which contain the Synaxarion listings in them) are at http://www.tcgalaska.com/glt/Polytonic/.
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2007, 08:39:43 AM »

Friul, thanks for the links yet if I click on the saints for that day on the 'kalendar' it then takes me through to the Prologue again even though the Prologue lists more saints than are listed on the day. Does this mean that not all saints are listed but only the first few?

cleveland, thanks for the links too Wink
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