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What would real reunion look like?
« on: July 22, 2016, 12:02:13 PM »
folks I am just wondering,  what would a real reunion between EO-OO look like, I ask because while we are close, overtime we still developed our own Traditions, and even have our own saints, also is there anything either would have to give up? I pray for unity, especially with all the chaos in the Middle East, and parts of Africa, however I am just realistically trying to understand what a unified EO-OO Church would look like.

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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2016, 12:05:34 PM »
Better hats, for one. 
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2016, 12:11:59 PM »
folks I am just wondering,  what would a real reunion between EO-OO look like, I ask because while we are close, overtime we still developed our own Traditions, and even have our own saints, also is there anything either would have to give up? I pray for unity, especially with all the chaos in the Middle East, and parts of Africa, however I am just realistically trying to understand what a unified EO-OO Church would look like.


It would look like the EO 'jumble of traditions' plus the OO 'jumble of traditions' put together.




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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2016, 12:22:16 PM »
folks I am just wondering,  what would a real reunion between EO-OO look like, I ask because while we are close, overtime we still developed our own Traditions, and even have our own saints, also is there anything either would have to give up? I pray for unity, especially with all the chaos in the Middle East, and parts of Africa, however I am just realistically trying to understand what a unified EO-OO Church would look like.


It would look like the EO 'jumble of traditions' plus the OO 'jumble of traditions' put together.




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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2016, 12:23:14 PM »
folks I am just wondering,  what would a real reunion between EO-OO look like, I ask because while we are close, overtime we still developed our own Traditions, and even have our own saints, also is there anything either would have to give up? I pray for unity, especially with all the chaos in the Middle East, and parts of Africa, however I am just realistically trying to understand what a unified EO-OO Church would look like.

Not that different from now, probably, at least in terms of praxis. I'd assume the only way a reunion would work would be for everybody to adopt a live and let live policy re: pious customs/liturgy. Attempted Byzantinization (and let's be honest, it would be the EOs who would insist on adoption of their traditions for reunion) would scuttle any hope of unity fast.

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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2016, 12:27:42 PM »
folks I am just wondering,  what would a real reunion between EO-OO look like, I ask because while we are close, overtime we still developed our own Traditions, and even have our own saints, also is there anything either would have to give up? I pray for unity, especially with all the chaos in the Middle East, and parts of Africa, however I am just realistically trying to understand what a unified EO-OO Church would look like.

Not that different from now, probably, at least in terms of praxis. I'd assume the only way a reunion would work would be for everybody to adopt a live and let live policy re: pious customs/liturgy. Attempted Byzantinization (and let's be honest, it would be the EOs who would insist on adoption of their traditions for reunion) would scuttle any hope of unity fast.

Despite going to a Greek Church, I can concede, it would be us who try to impose a byzantinization on the Oriental Orthodox, the OO's should just be left to have their own traditions, and just call it Armenian Rite, Coptic rite, Syriac Rite, Etc.
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2016, 01:35:48 PM »
I think it would just look like restoring communion, with the probable exceptions of the sees of Alexandria and Antioch. Many jurisdictional problems might eventually arise, though.
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2016, 03:06:12 PM »
I think it would just look like restoring communion, with the probable exceptions of the sees of Alexandria and Antioch. Many jurisdictional problems might eventually arise, though.

Right. You think we have a problem with overlapping bishops now...
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2016, 04:07:08 PM »
I think it would just look like restoring communion, with the probable exceptions of the sees of Alexandria and Antioch. Many jurisdictional problems might eventually arise, though.
Right. You think we have a problem with overlapping bishops now...
EO-OO reunion might trigger the ultimate "to heck with it" for "one city, one bishop".
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2016, 06:25:06 PM »
Better hats, for one.

I like the Coptic hats ;-)
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2016, 08:14:40 PM »
I'm a big fan of East Syrian rite hats. They make me hungry for some reason, probably some sweet they look like.


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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2016, 07:51:04 AM »
Better hats, for one.

That was my first thought as well.

Another thing- pink vestments
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2016, 09:04:43 AM »
Better hats, for one.

That was my first thought as well.

Another thing- pink vestments

In the past I would've granted you this, but greater experience has shown me that it's balanced out. 
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2016, 10:08:37 AM »
folks I am just wondering,  what would a real reunion between EO-OO look like

Unicorns surfing on rainbows, rivers of chocolate and cheese for everyone.
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2016, 10:19:54 AM »
folks I am just wondering,  what would a real reunion between EO-OO look like

Unicorns surfing on rainbows, rivers of chocolate and cheese for everyone.

I was with you until "rivers...of cheese".  Now I think reunion is a bad idea. 
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2016, 10:47:50 AM »
Jesus said that the bride of Christ can run the household as she sees fit... so if she wants multiple bishops in one city (a canonical issue based on a deeper idea--and it is the idea that is inviolable, not the canons) or rivers of cheese, then dag nabbit she'll have them. And a dual cheese/chocolate spigot drawing on a local river does sound rather handy...
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Re: What would real reunion look like?
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2016, 12:05:10 PM »
folks I am just wondering,  what would a real reunion between EO-OO look like

Unicorns surfing on rainbows, rivers of chocolate and cheese for everyone.

I was with you until "rivers...of cheese".  Now I think reunion is a bad idea.

It's a Dutch thing.  People from New Amsterdam would not understand.
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