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« Reply #1890 on: July 15, 2011, 01:25:49 PM » |
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« Reply #1891 on: July 15, 2011, 01:28:01 PM » |
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Now listening to the Serbian one over and over :lol:.
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« Reply #1892 on: July 15, 2011, 01:38:08 PM » |
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She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
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« Reply #1893 on: July 15, 2011, 01:52:43 PM » |
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Wow, thank you for posting this! I am definitely listening to all of it sometime today. I was listening to Acir Radio earlier. I'm hoping that listening to Mexican news in Spanish each day is going to rapidly increase my fluency. You're welcome! I need to begin to listening to German radio one of these days for the same reason. |
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Forgive my sins.
According to the behaviour of some posters of this forum, I have learned from their example that apparently you are to judge everyone. After you judge them, mock them. Humility is apparently a joke. Because some people are just better people than others, and are more righteous.
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« Reply #1895 on: July 15, 2011, 07:46:35 PM » |
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This small piano piece by Brahms, the Ballade from Op. 188 6 piano pieces. I prefer Emmanuel Ax performing it. It's more up tempo and there is more contrast. But Wilhelm Kempff is still a hell of a pianist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-eiBrUXePY |
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« Reply #1896 on: July 16, 2011, 10:21:49 PM » |
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« Reply #1897 on: July 17, 2011, 12:07:36 AM » |
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« Reply #1898 on: July 17, 2011, 03:59:21 PM » |
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Just discovered Miracle of 86. The album Every Famous Last Word is awesome. If you're a Get Up Kids fan this is for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdacCxyGSukEDIT: FYI This is Kevin Devine's old band |
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« Reply #1899 on: July 18, 2011, 01:05:41 AM » |
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« Reply #1901 on: July 18, 2011, 06:56:17 AM » |
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Forgive my sins.
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« Reply #1904 on: July 20, 2011, 10:50:30 PM » |
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« Reply #1905 on: July 20, 2011, 10:51:19 PM » |
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« Reply #1906 on: July 20, 2011, 11:29:49 PM » |
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« Reply #1909 on: July 21, 2011, 04:42:55 AM » |
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The first three U2 albums: Boy, War, and October. Such great, timeless music, and deeply inspirational. Man, did their music go down hill fast! A perfect example of how Capitalism often corrupts creativity (as well as Christianity). The quality of their faith seemed to wane with the quality of their music. But I still love the early U2 stuff.
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« Reply #1910 on: July 21, 2011, 05:56:13 AM » |
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« Reply #1912 on: July 21, 2011, 02:02:31 PM » |
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« Reply #1913 on: July 21, 2011, 02:05:36 PM » |
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LOL a new screen name every week but you still can't help linking to white supremacist websites. I swear I have laughed to tears every time I've seen that list as I scroll. Here are some more guffaw-inducing bits from the "Reason Radio Network": About Stan Hess
Stan Hess is a lay cultural critic, punster, and word meister . He is a recovering Zionist and an adult child of Zionist parents.He believes the smartest White folks are blue collar and those who have been mugged on city streets or in the halls of academia. Stan believes in subverting the dominant paradigm of rampaging Kosher hucksterism by mocking our oppressors and developing our own community based comedy skits. Stan refers to these skits as political performance art.He believes white folks are way too serious and need to look Jewish and act Eurish. After all, every joke is a tiny revolution. Be the change. The Fighting Side of me looks at new “affirmative” action, anti-White male recruitment policies in Canada’s RCMP. Paul Fromm warns about new boatloads of Tamil illegals headed for Canada and will examine why liberals just don’t get it about race and racial differences. About Matt Parrott
Matt Parrott is a community organizer and street activist from Indiana. He’s the Executive Director of Hoosier Nation, Indiana’s most active and effective traditional conservative advocacy group. He blogs at the Hoosier Nation Web site and contributes to several blogs on the White Right. His own personal blog is Fair and Delightsome. He’s a husband and father in suburban Indianapolis who works as a business systems analyst and web programmer. He’s opinionated, controversial, and won’t rest until he and his family are free to celebrate their heritage and traditions in a community of folks who also share and celebrate their heritage and traditions. About Jamie Kelso
Jamie Kelso (June 8, 1948) is Administrator of the American White Nationalist website WhiteNewsNow.com.
Kelso was born in New York City to parents from Nebraska and Missouri of Scottish and German ancestry. He is an Eagle Scout and member of MENSA. He ran for Congress as an Independent in the 5th Congressional District of Missouri in 1976.
He is a former member of the John Birch Society. He is an artist and musician, working in painting, etching, and engraving, and has sung tenor leads in opera, musicals, and lieder.
Kelso first came to national attention when he was featured in a 1960s Time Magazine article on teenagers in the suburbs of Los Angeles. He has appeared on Irish Radio in Dublin, Ireland, on The Political Cesspool, and on Fox TV in South Carolina.
He was the chairman of the May 2004 and May 2005 New Orleans conferences attended by a number of White nationalists, including Nick Griffin, chair of the British National Party; Jean-Michel Girard, Directeur de cabinet des affaires etrangeres of the Front National of France; and Lady Michele Renouf from the UK. Kelso lived at David Duke’s headquarters in St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana during this time. He also organized an April 2004 international revisionist conference in Sacramento attended by attorney Edgar J. Steele, author of Defensive Racism; Paul Fromm, chair of the Canadian Association for Free Expression; and April Gaede and her daughters Lamb and Lynx, twin members of the band Prussian Blue. Note: Prussian Blue are the neo-Nazi girl pop group who recently had a change of heart and repudiated racism. |
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« Reply #1915 on: July 21, 2011, 02:52:35 PM » |
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About Stan Hess
Stan Hess is a lay cultural critic, punster, and word meister . He is a recovering Zionist and an adult child of Zionist parents.He believes the smartest White folks are blue collar and those who have been mugged on city streets or in the halls of academia. Stan believes in subverting the dominant paradigm of rampaging Kosher hucksterism by mocking our oppressors and developing our own community based comedy skits. Stan refers to these skits as political performance art.He believes white folks are way too serious and need to look Jewish and act Eurish. After all, every joke is a tiny revolution. Be the change. I can't get pass this one yet without laughing so hard that I taste a little bit of what I had for lunch. This is why satire is dead. There is nothing to satire when the world is nothing but. This is absolutely brilliant. I might just have to listen to see if the programs measure up to standards set by their descriptions. |
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I might just have to listen to see if the programs measure up to standards set by their descriptions. I tried and they don't. Hope you find them more entertaining than I did. Just rambling, semi-coherent, self-important "observations" from my quick listening. Mind you, I just tried listening to the one quoted by SaintIaint; the others might contain some real gems. |
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LOL a new screen name every week but you still can't help linking to white supremacist websites. I take it you're under the impression that I am someone else? Jump to conclusions much? I swear I have laughed to tears every time I've seen that list as I scroll. Oh yeah? Why don't you tell us why? And why exactly do you think I am Saint Iaiant? I'm not. Here are some more guffaw-inducing bits from the "Reason Radio Network": About Stan Hess
Stan Hess is a lay cultural critic, punster, and word meister . He is a recovering Zionist and an adult child of Zionist parents.He believes the smartest White folks are blue collar and those who have been mugged on city streets or in the halls of academia. Stan believes in subverting the dominant paradigm of rampaging Kosher hucksterism by mocking our oppressors and developing our own community based comedy skits. Stan refers to these skits as political performance art.He believes white folks are way too serious and need to look Jewish and act Eurish. After all, every joke is a tiny revolution. Be the change. The Fighting Side of me looks at new “affirmative” action, anti-White male recruitment policies in Canada’s RCMP. Paul Fromm warns about new boatloads of Tamil illegals headed for Canada and will examine why liberals just don’t get it about race and racial differences. About Matt Parrott
Matt Parrott is a community organizer and street activist from Indiana. He’s the Executive Director of Hoosier Nation, Indiana’s most active and effective traditional conservative advocacy group. He blogs at the Hoosier Nation Web site and contributes to several blogs on the White Right. His own personal blog is Fair and Delightsome. He’s a husband and father in suburban Indianapolis who works as a business systems analyst and web programmer. He’s opinionated, controversial, and won’t rest until he and his family are free to celebrate their heritage and traditions in a community of folks who also share and celebrate their heritage and traditions. About Jamie Kelso
Jamie Kelso (June 8, 1948) is Administrator of the American White Nationalist website WhiteNewsNow.com.
Kelso was born in New York City to parents from Nebraska and Missouri of Scottish and German ancestry. He is an Eagle Scout and member of MENSA. He ran for Congress as an Independent in the 5th Congressional District of Missouri in 1976.
He is a former member of the John Birch Society. He is an artist and musician, working in painting, etching, and engraving, and has sung tenor leads in opera, musicals, and lieder.
Kelso first came to national attention when he was featured in a 1960s Time Magazine article on teenagers in the suburbs of Los Angeles. He has appeared on Irish Radio in Dublin, Ireland, on The Political Cesspool, and on Fox TV in South Carolina.
He was the chairman of the May 2004 and May 2005 New Orleans conferences attended by a number of White nationalists, including Nick Griffin, chair of the British National Party; Jean-Michel Girard, Directeur de cabinet des affaires etrangeres of the Front National of France; and Lady Michele Renouf from the UK. Kelso lived at David Duke’s headquarters in St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana during this time. He also organized an April 2004 international revisionist conference in Sacramento attended by attorney Edgar J. Steele, author of Defensive Racism; Paul Fromm, chair of the Canadian Association for Free Expression; and April Gaede and her daughters Lamb and Lynx, twin members of the band Prussian Blue. Note: Prussian Blue are the neo-Nazi girl pop group who recently had a change of heart and repudiated racism. What does any of that have to do with Fr. Matthew Raphael Johnson? I never linked to any of those other people. I linked to the Orthodox Christian whose blurb you didn't reproduce here for some strange reason. Trying to get folks not to listen? Here is Fr. Matt's bio:
The Orthodox Nationalist is a weekly program hosted by historian and writer Fr. Matthew Raphael Johnson, Ph.D. The show airs on Thursdays at 9pm, Eastern U.S. time.
Matthew’s program brings a lively discussion of political theory and religious ideas, with a focus on the central role of Russian and Ukrainian nationalism, and the Eastern Orthodox faith, in challenging the New World Order.
About Matthew Raphael Johnson
Matt is originally from Union County, New Jersey. He received his master’s degree at the University of Missouri, writing his thesis on social alienation in the works of Hegel and Nietzsche. He went on to complete his Ph.D. at the University of Nebraska, writing his dissertation on Michael Oakeshott’s critique of modernity.
A well known expert on Russian history, Matt has written numerous articles that have been published in major journals in several languages. He is also author of several books, including: Sobornosti: Essays on the Old Faith; Heavenly Serbia and the Medieval Idea; Orthodoxy, Autocracy, Nationality: Lectures on Medieval Russia; The Ancient Orthodox Tradition in Russian Literature; The Third Rome: Holy Russia, Tsarism and Orthodoxy.
At present, Matt is an independent writer and a priest of the Russo-Ukrainian Orthodox Church. His present research centers around small-state nationalism in Serbia, Ireland and Ukraine, and its relationship to the agrarian life. Matt can be contacted at fr_raphael@yahoo.com.
I'm not sure how you think that ridiculing the man discredits him... Why don't you address something he actually said or something that actually has to do with him? I've been told that ad hominems are not permitted here. Perhaps you guys didn't get the memo yet? I might just have to listen to see if the programs measure up to standards set by their descriptions. I tried and they don't. Hope you find them more entertaining than I did. Just rambling, semi-coherent, self-important "observations" from my quick listening. Mind you, I just tried listening to the one quoted by SaintIaint Stephen; the others might contain some real gems. Fr. Matt is "self-important"? How so? And you're one to talk aren't you? Who are you? Are you a PhD? Have you been a professor? Are you a Preist? Are you a Russian historian? Why don't you say something? What have you said? What have you addressed? What have you countered? Nothing. I see a whole lot of talking but you're not really saying anything. Just less convincing and less qualified "observations" of your own is what I see. |
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Stan Hess is a lay cultural critic, punster, and word meister . He is a recovering Zionist and an adult child of Zionist parents.He believes the smartest White folks are blue collar and those who have been mugged on city streets or in the halls of academia. Stan believes in subverting the dominant paradigm of rampaging Kosher hucksterism by mocking our oppressors and developing our own community based comedy skits. Stan refers to these skits as political performance art.He believes white folks are way too serious and need to look Jewish and act Eurish. After all, every joke is a tiny revolution. Be the change. I've been working in a seriously pained manner on a dustcover bio. I think I am going to use this as my template. A strong start and finish, I just need to punch up the middle. We'll see what the editor says. |
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Matt, AKA "Fr. Raphael" is a priest of the "Russo-Ukrainian Orthodox Church." I'm guessing this church operates out of his basement.
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Wasn't this a thread about music? Well, the thread is titled "What's everyone listening to?". I was listening to some podcasts I thought were thought provoking so I thought I'd share them. Judging by the reactions, accusations and slander - I should have just kept it to myself! Sheeesh! No, keep it coming, we all had a great laugh. |
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Listening to to one of my favorite comedian moments: Aziz Ansari ("Harris")...I'm looking for Nick Swardson's "Monkey High Five," which will make me cry at any given moment, but I can't find it. Boo.
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She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
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"For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18
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I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view --
Life went on no matter who was wrong or right
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« Reply #1930 on: July 22, 2011, 10:53:26 AM » |
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Listening to to one of my favorite comedian moments: Aziz Ansari ("Harris")...I'm looking for Nick Swardson's "Monkey High Five," which will make me cry at any given moment, but I can't find it. Boo.
Love both those guys. My favorite Aziz is the one called "Sheets" hahaha so funny |
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Authentic zeal is not directed towards anything but union in Christ, or against anything but our own fallenness.
"Beardliness is next to Godliness."- Asteriktos
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« Reply #1931 on: July 22, 2011, 11:38:37 AM » |
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^ I haven't listened to his full stand up yet, so I will look for that!
I seriously could spend an entire day watching stand-up comedy. No Sarah Silverman or Chelsea Handler, though! (Although I do have to admit I love Chelsea's show. HATE her stand up.)
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She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
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"For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18
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I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view --
Life went on no matter who was wrong or right
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« Reply #1932 on: July 22, 2011, 11:48:34 AM » |
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Oh yeah, Sarah Silverman is so shrill and annoying; can't stand her. Arj Barker is pretty sweet too. Worth checking out at least.
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Authentic zeal is not directed towards anything but union in Christ, or against anything but our own fallenness.
"Beardliness is next to Godliness."- Asteriktos
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« Reply #1933 on: July 23, 2011, 01:39:11 AM » |
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Megadeth - Chosen Ones
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We will readily kill people as a punishment even if they want to live, but we won't have mercy on the suffering by helping them die even if they want to leave.
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« Reply #1934 on: July 23, 2011, 01:43:43 AM » |
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Oh yeah, Sarah Silverman is so shrill and annoying; can't stand her. Arj Barker is pretty sweet too. Worth checking out at least.
OK, I don't know if you are a man or a woman, but this alone is enough for me to cobble a life long relationship out of. If you are a man, I am sure we can find a way. |
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Gradually fading away on a strict punishment schedule.
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