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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #225 on: November 22, 2016, 08:48:55 AM »
Star Wars. I've never seen the appeal of Star Trek - there's no creativity to the "universe", and the writers have always tended to be progressives who have used the shows and movies to push liberal-left moralizing agendas.

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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #226 on: November 26, 2016, 12:36:48 PM »
Star Wars. I've never seen the appeal of Star Trek - there's no creativity to the "universe", and the writers have always tended to be progressives who have used the shows and movies to push liberal-left moralizing agendas.

Star Wars teaches rebellion against divinely ordained monarchy. Are you some kind of Bolshevik?
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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #227 on: November 26, 2016, 04:14:53 PM »
I've always cheered for the dark force anyway. Smash the hippies!
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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #228 on: November 26, 2016, 06:52:15 PM »
Star Wars. I've never seen the appeal of Star Trek - there's no creativity to the "universe", and the writers have always tended to be progressives who have used the shows and movies to push liberal-left moralizing agendas.

You do know that the Rebel Alliance was inspired by the Viet Cong, whereas the Empire was intended to represent the US?  By George Lucas, anyway.  The director of The Empire Strikes Back decided, based on the success of Peter Cushing as Tarkin, to have the Imperials be predominantly British, so there were far fewer Imperials with American accents after the first film.
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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #229 on: November 26, 2016, 06:53:48 PM »
Star Wars. I've never seen the appeal of Star Trek - there's no creativity to the "universe", and the writers have always tended to be progressives who have used the shows and movies to push liberal-left moralizing agendas.

Star Wars teaches rebellion against divinely ordained monarchy. Are you some kind of Bolshevik?

In all fairness to everyone, I am not quite sure I see how Palpatine is supposed to be divinely ordained.  Mind you, had Episode III featured a scene where Palpatine is annointed and crowned while Zadok the Priest plays in the background, that would have been fairly epic.
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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #230 on: December 06, 2016, 09:38:46 AM »
I find the monolithic evil in Star Wars kids of silly. Conversely, each group in Star Trek are simply acting in their own interests, which is much more realistic.....this is of course not the case for the Original Series, which I find very much overrated.

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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #231 on: December 06, 2016, 10:18:24 AM »
Star Wars. I've never seen the appeal of Star Trek - there's no creativity to the "universe", and the writers have always tended to be progressives who have used the shows and movies to push liberal-left moralizing agendas.

Star Wars teaches rebellion against divinely ordained monarchy. Are you some kind of Bolshevik?

In all fairness to everyone, I am not quite sure I see how Palpatine is supposed to be divinely ordained. 

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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #232 on: December 06, 2016, 10:22:00 AM »
I'm watching Star Trek: TNG season 1 with the wife. I haven't seen this stuff since I was little, so I'm pretty impressed by how terrible it is. It's good fun though. A lot of the ridiculousness of the original series, though without as much style. Just watched the episode "Justice" where a colony of innocent blonde nympho body builders runs around an Edenic planet ruled by a giant space robot designated "God" (reminds me of the Church of the SubGenius actually).

Also the TNG theme song (taken from the motion picture) is pretty garbage, especially compared to the groovy 60's one.
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Thomas Hardy, Tess of the D'Urbervilles

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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #233 on: December 07, 2016, 11:50:07 AM »
I'm watching Star Trek: TNG season 1 with the wife. I haven't seen this stuff since I was little, so I'm pretty impressed by how terrible it is. It's good fun though. A lot of the ridiculousness of the original series, though without as much style. Just watched the episode "Justice" where a colony of innocent blonde nympho body builders runs around an Edenic planet ruled by a giant space robot designated "God" (reminds me of the Church of the SubGenius actually).

Also the TNG theme song (taken from the motion picture) is pretty garbage, especially compared to the groovy 60's one.
To be fair, TNG really picked up in Season 3 when they had funding and a decent writing staff. Its also around that time of Roddenberry's stepping back because him getting sick. I was never a fan his writing really. Much like Lucas, I think Roddenberry was a great "big picture guy" but was horrible at actually making it happen.

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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #234 on: December 07, 2016, 11:52:53 AM »
Yeah, I've been repeating it to my wife like a mantra: "It gets better." But it's been so long since I watched the show that I'm not sure of it myself. One problem I remember from the later episodes- and it might be exaggerated in my memory- was a preponderance of repetitive, predictable plots, often involving some virus.
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Thomas Hardy, Tess of the D'Urbervilles

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Re: Star Trek versus Star Wars
« Reply #235 on: December 07, 2016, 11:54:16 AM »
Yeah, I've been repeating it to my wife like a mantra: "It gets better." But it's been so long since I watched the show that I'm not sure of it myself. One problem I remember from the later episodes- and it might be exaggerated in my memory- was a preponderance of repetitive, predictable plots, often involving some virus.
IMHO Star Trek changed forever in Season 3, Best of Both Worlds. It became great :)

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