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Security Guard Uses Stun Gun On Man Holding Baby
« on: August 14, 2007, 11:46:36 PM »
Texas Hospital Security Guard Uses Stun Gun to Stop Father From Leaving With Newborn

In a confrontation captured on videotape, a hospital security guard fired a stun gun to stop a defiant father from taking home his newborn baby, sending both man and child crashing to the floor.

Now the man says the baby girl suffers from head trauma because she was dropped.

"I've got to wonder what kind of moron would Tase an adult holding a baby," said George Kirkham, a former police officer and criminologist at the University of California-Berkeley. "It doesn't take rocket science to realize the baby is going to fall."

The trouble began in April when Williams Lewis, 30, said he and his wife felt mistreated by staff at the Woman's Hospital of Texas so they decided to leave. Hospital employees told him doctors would not allow it, but Lewis picked up the baby and strode to a bank of elevators.

The elevators would not move because wristband sensors on each baby shut off the elevators if anyone takes an infant without permission.

Lewis, who gave the video to The Associated Press, said his daughter landed on her head, but it cannot be seen on the video. He said the baby seems injured since the episode.

"She shakes a lot and cries a lot," Lewis said, noting doctors have performed several MRIs on the child, Karla. "She's not real responsive. Something is definitely wrong with my daughter."

It was not clear whether the baby received any electrical jolt.

Child Protective Services has custody of the baby because of a history of domestic violence between Lewis and his wife, Jacqueline Gray. Agency spokeswoman Estella Olguin said the infant seems in good health.

The hospital and the Houston Police Department did not immediately respond to calls seeking comment.

David Boling, an off-duty Houston police officer working security at the hospital, and another security guard can be seen on the surveillance video arriving at the elevators and trying to talk with Lewis. Lewis appears agitated as he walks around the elevators holding his daughter in his right arm.

Within 40 seconds of arriving, Boling is holding the Taser. He walks around Lewis and whispers to the other guard, who moves to Lewis's right side.

About a minute later, Boling can be seen casually standing near Lewis, not looking in his direction, when he suddenly raises the Taser and fires it at Lewis, who was still holding his daughter.

Lewis drops to the floor. The other guard, who has not been identified, scoops up the baby and gives her to the child's mother, who was standing nearby in a hospital gown.

The guard then pulls Lewis to his feet with his arms locked behind him. Lewis's T-shirt has two holes under the left side of his chest where the Taser prongs hit him.

Lewis said he did not see the stun gun.

"My wife said we want to leave and then he just Tasered me," Lewis said. "He caused me to drop the child."

Lewis was arrested and charged with endangering a child. A grand jury in May declined to indict him on that charge, but charged him with retaliation, accusing him of making threats against Boling.

Lewis also has been charged with a second count of retaliation alleging he made a threatening call to Boling at his home.

Lewis denies both charges. He said he is considering suing the hospital but has not filed any legal papers.

Some 11,000 U.S. law enforcement agencies use Tasers, which have been officially listed as a contributing factor in about 12 deaths nationwide, according to Scottsdale, Ariz.-based Taser International Inc., which makes the weapon.

Some experts contend the weapon can be deadly, particularly when used on suspects who use drugs or suffer from heart problems.

"The Taser itself is a legitimate law-enforcement tool," Kirkham said. "The problem is the abusive use of them. They're supposed to be only used to protect yourself or another person from imminent aggression and physical harm. They're overused now."
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Re: Security Guard Uses Stun Gun On Man Holding Baby
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2007, 12:02:18 AM »
There's a business model for you...taser customers who attempt to leave.

Judging from the issues with domestic violence this Lewis guy has impulse control issues...but still no excuse to taser someone for leaving the hospital. Boling should loose his job both at the hospital and with the Houston PD, and potentially be charged with assault, child engangerment, and/or child abuse.
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Re: Security Guard Uses Stun Gun On Man Holding Baby
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2007, 12:06:02 AM »
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"I've got to wonder what kind of moron would Tase an adult holding a baby,"

a classic...
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2007, 12:10:03 AM »
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There's a business model for you...taser customers who attempt to leave.

I wonder if Starbucks will take on the same policy. :P

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Re: Security Guard Uses Stun Gun On Man Holding Baby
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2007, 12:11:16 AM »
(to the first four notes of the Dragnet theme):  "Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb..."
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2007, 06:49:50 PM »
(to the first four notes of the Dragnet theme):  "Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb..."
LOL! Perfect response.
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2007, 07:51:36 PM »
Key words: Hospital security guard.  'Nuff said.


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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2007, 03:22:50 PM »
If I get your gist, EofK, you mean that in the case of a possible baby-napping (as has been known to happen from maternity wards, that's *why* they put the electronic bracelets on the babies now and have for years) the security guard's job is to stop the adult who could be stealling a baby.

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2007, 08:09:33 PM »
If I get your gist, EofK, you mean that in the case of a possible baby-napping (as has been known to happen from maternity wards, that's *why* they put the electronic bracelets on the babies now and have for years) the security guard's job is to stop the adult who could be stealling a baby.

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Well... yeah, they're supposed to stop the adult stealing the baby in the most non-violent way possible so as not to injure the baby.  Thing is, I work in a hospital and in my experience, my security guard friends aren't always the brightest guys.  They're generally kindhearted and want to do the right thing, but they don't tend to think before they tase.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2007, 12:10:41 PM »
yeap thats Just plain old "TNB"...
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2008, 02:16:39 PM »
Hey Guys!  ;D


So...the wrist bands prevent the elevators from working in the case of possible kidnapping...so the guard didn't have to channel his inner Trekkie and fire his phaser at the Dad. If Dad goes for the stairs, hell..just block the stairs and look menacing...maybe make a few growling noises?

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2008, 05:50:12 AM »
I hear Wal*Mart has some tasers on order for their People Greeters.   :o

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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2008, 03:30:40 AM »
The question is why does a security officer have a taser to begin with?  The big hospital here has sworn police officers on campus.  My friends who are sworn real police carry tasers, but guess what?  They were trained how to use them and also have been tazed during the training.  I have a feeling we might actually start to get some standarization in law on the usage of taser guns by security officers.
Did this guy go out and buy a tazer and not get trained?  If he is in public service to protect people then he should have been required to be qualified to carry the taser, or maybe he shouldn't carry a taser at all.  Sounds like we might find out what the courts think on this issue.  And that is good because frankly it is scary.  Any idiot with a security guard job could have a taser and mis-use the thing.  I for one, do not want to be on the receiving end of a security guard with an itchy taser gun trigger finger.   
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2008, 09:59:59 AM »
This is not just a rent-a-cop.  It's an off-duty Houston PD officer - I can't speak for this one officer, but as a whole, Houston PD is well respected and their officers are very well trained, including with Tasers.  I've seen lots of video footage like this used in civil suits and you have to be careful interpreting it.  You can easily be misled by a short, edited video clip.  The news media doesn't have the time or inclination to show you the entire video, and the parts that are edited out may very well put a whole new explanation for the incident.  I can't say anything about this one incident, and yes it sounds incredible to tase someone with a baby, but perspective is everything in this case.  You have one set of folks who are probably being encouraged by their new attorney to talk with the media, because the attorney is going to sue the devil out of the hospital and hope to walk away with a six-figure settlement. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2008, 03:20:07 PM »
This is not just a rent-a-cop.  It's an off-duty Houston PD officer - I can't speak for this one officer, but as a whole, Houston PD is well respected and their officers are very well trained, including with Tasers.  I've seen lots of video footage like this used in civil suits and you have to be careful interpreting it.  You can easily be misled by a short, edited video clip.  The news media doesn't have the time or inclination to show you the entire video, and the parts that are edited out may very well put a whole new explanation for the incident.  I can't say anything about this one incident, and yes it sounds incredible to tase someone with a baby, but perspective is everything in this case.  You have one set of folks who are probably being encouraged by their new attorney to talk with the media, because the attorney is going to sue the devil out of the hospital and hope to walk away with a six-figure settlement. 

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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2008, 04:18:47 PM »
You can easily be misled by a short, edited video clip.  The news media doesn't have the time or inclination to show you the entire video, and the parts that are edited out may very well put a whole new explanation for the incident.

It is amazing the hysteria that these highly decontextualized clips can generate on university campuses...Don't Tase me, bro or from UCLA.  I don't get why so many people have made protesting against tasers their life's mission. 

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2008, 05:26:55 PM »
It is amazing the hysteria that these highly decontextualized clips can generate on university campuses...Don't Tase me, bro or from UCLA.  I don't get why so many people have made protesting against tasers their life's mission. 

Police use-of-force lawsuits are just as topical as any other current event.  Right now Tasers are in the news and are big litigation topics.  A couple of years from now it will be something else.  Anytime you have a new non-lethal force weapon, there's a new area of lawsuits.  Use of force litigation should really be called "they arrested me too meanly".   
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2008, 05:28:23 PM »
A picture used to be worth a thousand words. NO more!

In our age we are now looking at 'mix'-tures instead of 'pic'-tures.

"Mix-tures" is a really cool way to look at things.  You're exactly right.
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2008, 07:24:44 PM »
I agree, we weren't there, we don't know what really happened.  Can you see the flag, a tazer and the words "Don't Taze on me"   (like the flag with the rattler saying "don't tread on me").

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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2008, 11:22:45 PM »

Just think how much more trouble there would be for the security guard if it was a black man he tased... ::)

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