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Orthros Hymn
« on: July 23, 2007, 01:03:09 PM »
Could anyone please tell me the name of the hymn that is being sung at 50:00 onward to about 53:00 in this video? http://realserver.goarch.org/ram/saintbarbara-archive.ram

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Re: Orthros Hymn
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 01:09:52 PM »
If you can describe for me when it falls during the service, I can help.  Otherwise, I'm not installing RealPlayer on my work computer (I don't like it)...
"If you are going to serve the Lord, be prepared for times when you will be put to the test. Be sincere and determined. Keep calm when trouble comes. Stay with the Lord; never abandon Him and you will be prosperous at the end of your days. Accept whatever happens to you. Even if you suffer humiliation, be patient. Gold is tested by fire and human character is tested in the furnace of humiliation. Trust the Lord and He will help you. Walk straight in His ways and put your hope in Him. " Sir 2:1-6

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Re: Orthros Hymn
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 01:18:34 PM »
If you can describe for me when it falls during the service, I can help.  Otherwise, I'm not installing RealPlayer on my work computer (I don't like it)...

Right after the verse "Praise him with the sound of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and the lyre. In your light loving lord we see light. Your rose from the dead, granting salvation to the human race...........have mercy on us."
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Re: Orthros Hymn
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 01:27:07 PM »
Looks like it might be one of the sticheria for the praises. It may be to the melody of one of the prosomia and those are named after the first few words of the model hymn.
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Re: Orthros Hymn
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 01:37:11 PM »
Right after the verse "Praise him with the sound of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and the lyre. In your light loving lord we see light. Your rose from the dead, granting salvation to the human race...........have mercy on us."

So what you quoted is the beginning and end of the hymn, or the part that comes before the hymn?  Is the hymn that you're seeking an answer to really 3 minutes long?

If what you quoted comes before the hymn in question, and if the hymn really is 3 minutes long, then it is probably a Doxastikon (Glory hymn), either Dogmatic (i.e. of the Resurrection, teaching about the gospel reading that happened earlier in the Matins), or of the Saint of the day.

If what you quoted is the beginning and end of the hymn, then it is a hymn of the Praises of Sunday Matins in one of the 8 modes.

Oh!  Found what you quoted (different translation):

Right after the verse "Praise him with the sound of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and the lyre. In your light loving lord we see light. Your rose from the dead, granting salvation to the human race...........have mercy on us." 

Sunday Matins, Mode 3, 4th hymn:

verse: Praise Him with the sound of trumpet, praise Him with the psaltery and harp

In your light we will see light, O Master who loves humanity; for you have risen from the dead, and You granted salvation to the human race, so that all creation may glorify you only sinless One.  Have mercy on us.


The hymn that would come after this would be one of three options:

1. Another Resurrectional hymn in 3rd mode (which would have been  longer than the one above quoted, by about 50%).
2. A hymn to the saint of the day (which may or may not be longer, but if it is, would be again about 50% longer).
3. The Glory hymn of the day (which would most certainly be longer, and even by 200-400%).
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Re: Orthros Hymn
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 04:37:47 PM »
I found the hymn! (I think)

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Could you Greek speakers possibly confirm this?
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Re: Orthros Hymn
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2007, 04:15:08 PM »
Cleveland,

What translation is your Stichera at the Praises from?

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Re: Orthros Hymn
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2007, 11:20:28 AM »
Cleveland,

What translation is your Stichera at the Praises from?

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Fr. Seraphim Dedes' book Sunday Matins Music, 2nd Edition.  I think you can find it on their website (sgpm.goarch.org).
"If you are going to serve the Lord, be prepared for times when you will be put to the test. Be sincere and determined. Keep calm when trouble comes. Stay with the Lord; never abandon Him and you will be prosperous at the end of your days. Accept whatever happens to you. Even if you suffer humiliation, be patient. Gold is tested by fire and human character is tested in the furnace of humiliation. Trust the Lord and He will help you. Walk straight in His ways and put your hope in Him. " Sir 2:1-6