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« on: July 17, 2007, 03:58:30 AM »

Is the Antioch Orthodox church western rite? and if so what is the difference do they have chants or has it been changed to organs?
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2007, 09:26:55 AM »

Under Canonical Orthodoxy,The Antiochian Patriarchate has under his omophorion both Eastern Rite (the Majority of parishes) and Western Rite ( a small number of parishes).  I believe that the Antiochians were the first Orthdox Church in the US to be able to get a western rite that works, they have been followed by a small number of ROCOR Western Rites parishes.  There is also the Milan Synod which is totally western rite but limited in its parishes in the US and is seen by the current Orthodox patriarchates as being non-canonical at present.

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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2007, 09:30:19 AM »

Thanks Thomas! for someone that created a thread about ignorance I am going to dually ask you being embarrassed and hypocritical is the western rite of the Antiochion church seen as being correct by the Orthodox church or is it a specific divergence?
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2007, 11:04:10 AM »

As an Antiochian Orthodox, I would say it makes perfect logic as a return to the orthodoxy of the west prior to the schism when there was agreement to basics and theology.There was a time that the Church east and West Rites were one church and in full communion. It is the prayer of every Orthodox Christian that the Schisms may end and we will once again be brethren through the cup of communion as sign of agreement and unity of the faith.

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2007, 11:57:09 AM »

... is the western rite of the Antiochion church seen as being correct by the Orthodox church or is it a specific divergence?

Correct - as it was corrected to by Orthodox through the work of the Russian Holy Synod (begininning in the 1860s.)
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2007, 07:15:28 PM »

sorry for my ambiguity but I have figured out how to phrase my question to answer my first question. As a member of the Greek Orthodox church would I be able to take communion at a western rite church?
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2007, 09:21:43 PM »

sorry for my ambiguity but I have figured out how to phrase my question to answer my first question. As a member of the Greek Orthodox church would I be able to take communion at a western rite church?
I think the answer is unequivocally YES.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2007, 10:09:31 AM »

Actually yes, there is no doubt about it.  Even the most vehement opponents of Western Rite (and they are VEHEMENT), who decry it and won't let Western Rite priests concelebrate in Western vestments none the less admit they are Orthodox priests, their Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Our Lord, their parishoners may commune, confess, marry, baptize at the Greek Church etc.

The situation is somewhat like that of Churhces who do not recognize the autocephalacy of the OCA: they still see them as Orthodox.
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