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Do we believe that Holy Fathers were "Theopneistois?"
« on: September 12, 2007, 05:04:39 PM »
I heard from one guy (not an Orthodox, a Ukrainian Eastern Rite Catholic) that we ought to believe that all of the Holy Fathers of the Church were "God-breathed," led by the Holy Spirit in the same way as those who penned the Bible. He argues that at least until the Church was split by the Great Schism of 1054, the Spirit led all those Fathers who were not heretics (Arians, Nestorians etc.) Is this an Orthodox belief, too? Thanks. --G.
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Re: Do we believe that Holy Fathers were "Theopneistois?"
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2007, 10:29:26 PM »
Well, it's coming from a very Western idea of the "God-breathed" nature of Scripture, that is that the Holy Spirit dictated what to write to the authors, who merely copied it down with no input of their own. However, my priest did mention on Sunday that whatever is written that agrees with Holy Scripture is considered itself inspired, on the same level as Scripture (This was during social hour, in the context of the inspired nature of St. John Chrysostom's homilies).

Hope that helps. I'm interested in hearing from someone with more knowledge than I have (and that should be most people here I think).
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Re: Do we believe that Holy Fathers were "Theopneistois?"
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2007, 11:05:28 PM »
Seems to me like Eastern Christians who have been influenced by the Western way of making an external authority of something that developed organically within the Church--an authority that stands outside and above the Church and to whom the faithful of the Church must submit without question...  This, however, does not jive with my understanding that the "kingdom of God is within us" (Luke 17:21).
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Re: Do we believe that Holy Fathers were "Theopneistois?"
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2007, 06:38:31 PM »
Thank you, Ytterbiumanalyst and Peter. --G.
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Re: Do we believe that Holy Fathers were "Theopneistois?"
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2007, 10:16:41 AM »
The Holy Bible does say that all Scripture is given by inspiration of God and I believe that in Greek this is the same as saying that it is God-breathed.
Could we have some clarification on this please?

The OOs I'm assuming would not agree at the very least about the date however I think we would say that in every generation God inspires certain men to speak certain words but this does not mean that every word that person might say is inspired but rather simply that those words which are of God are given by Him to the speaker. Again, could somebody with authority speak please?

Generally though, if God can inspire an ass to speak then why not a Church Father?
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