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UOC-KP's delegation received in the Phanar
« on: January 19, 2017, 09:48:33 AM »
According to the UOC-KP website, on January 12, 2017, with the blessing of His Holiness Patriarch Filaret, a committee representing the Kyiv Patriarchate conducted an official dialogue (sic!) with representatives of the Ecumenical Patriarchate. UOC-KP clergymen met with representatives of the Holy and Sacred Synod of the Patriarchate of Constantinople at the official residence of His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew in the Phanar (Istanbul, Turkey). http://www.cerkva.info/…/local-chur…/9432-zustrich-u-vp.html
However, official website of the Ecumenical Patriarchate seems to have no information about this meeting.

The delegation stressed that the Kyiv Patriarchate, unlike the ROC, officially accepted the decisions of the Holy and Great Council of the Orthodox Church held in Crete last June. Representatives of the Ecumenical Patriarchate were provided copies of the official 2017 UOC-KP church calendar, in which is published a Ukrainian translation of the Council documents prepared by the Kyiv Patriarchate.

It's worth remembering that in his Christmas interview the Kyiv Patriarchate chief said that “the decisions of the Crete Council do not matter a lot.” Filaret's Ukrainian words are:"Рішення, які прийняв Собор на Кріті, не мають такого вже великого значення." http://www.5.ua/interview/filaret-135633.html
And I wonder whether those in the Phanar agree with his understanding of their historical event. And if so, what all the excommunication threats toward the Council's critics are for?

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Re: UOC-KP's delegation received in the Phanar
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2017, 09:50:11 AM »
This story just gets worse... Lord have mercy.

Maybe you should have posted that on Religious Topics though, the polemics this thing are worth of are limited in this section.
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Re: UOC-KP's delegation received in the Phanar
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2017, 11:36:11 AM »
The delegation stressed that the Kyiv Patriarchate, unlike the ROC, officially accepted the decisions of the Holy and Great Council of the Orthodox Church held in Crete last June. Representatives of the Ecumenical Patriarchate were provided copies of the official 2017 UOC-KP church calendar, in which is published a Ukrainian translation of the Council documents prepared by the Kyiv Patriarchate.

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Re: UOC-KP's delegation received in the Phanar
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2017, 02:58:02 PM »
Bodnar the troll is back.  A recent member who reposted his own posts on other forums about the UOC-KP.
As for the article.  Nothing new really Metropolitan Yurij of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Canada under the EP has been sent to Ukraine before to speak on behalf of the EP to the UOC-KP.  Metropolitan Yurij has even been on Ukrainian TV on the topic.

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Re: UOC-KP's delegation received in the Phanar
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2017, 01:11:45 PM »
According to the UOC-KP website, on January 12, 2017, with the blessing of His Holiness Patriarch Filaret, a committee representing the Kyiv Patriarchate conducted an official dialogue (sic!) with representatives of the Ecumenical Patriarchate. UOC-KP clergymen met with representatives of the Holy and Sacred Synod of the Patriarchate of Constantinople at the official residence of His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew in the Phanar (Istanbul, Turkey). http://www.cerkva.info/…/local-chur…/9432-zustrich-u-vp.html
However, official website of the Ecumenical Patriarchate seems to have no information about this meeting.

The delegation stressed that the Kyiv Patriarchate, unlike the ROC, officially accepted the decisions of the Holy and Great Council of the Orthodox Church held in Crete last June. Representatives of the Ecumenical Patriarchate were provided copies of the official 2017 UOC-KP church calendar, in which is published a Ukrainian translation of the Council documents prepared by the Kyiv Patriarchate.

It's worth remembering that in his Christmas interview the Kyiv Patriarchate chief said that “the decisions of the Crete Council do not matter a lot.” Filaret's Ukrainian words are:"Рішення, які прийняв Собор на Кріті, не мають такого вже великого значення." http://www.5.ua/interview/filaret-135633.html
And I wonder whether those in the Phanar agree with his understanding of their historical event. And if so, what all the excommunication threats toward the Council's critics are for?

Is the EP trying to provoke Moscow into a schism?  I hope not, but this looks like, at best, an ill-advised decision.
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