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« on: June 26, 2014, 03:55:43 AM »

I have a question about elder Ephraim from the Holy Mount who opened a dozen of mpnateries on Arizona and who lives (lived?) in the monastery of St.Anthony in Arizona. I heard something bad happened there. Could somebody give me more details or a link to it?
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2014, 05:09:48 AM »

Oh, you have a lot to read, my friend.

www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,17649.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,41260.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,45402.0.html
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2014, 07:11:58 AM »

Thank you very much, dear Friend!  Smiley
Could you give me some most important links because I live in Russia and I do not read very fast in English.  Sad
Are there some final reviews anywhere?
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 12:45:37 AM »

One person, who was there for a time, I think a novice, left the community. In fact I have talked to him once.

His family felt the monastery brainwashed their "boy", and they had him go in some intense therapy. The runaway monastic claimed that Elder Ephraim is a false man, a liar, demonic, fraud ectect. He claimed that he was threatened in the monastery by Elder Eprhaim, Abbot Paisios, and other monks. I met him actually on youtube comment and messaged him directly about this. He told me that they bury the monks alive there. All kinds of things, I do not have the message anymore, but he did not seem very mentally stable. He was also very hostile to the Abbot Paisios. But anyway, he went back there with two guns. Apparently he threatened Abbot Paisios on the phone or something. He went back to the monastery, I do not remember the events, but he shot himself there and died. His name was Scott Nevins.

His parents have been on a crusade against the monastery for quite some years.

I think the final review is that the man was mentally unstable, and the monastery is not at fault.

there is an article somewhere about his suicide, I will try to find it
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 12:55:58 AM »

here is an article explaining many of the events, I found it

http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2012/06/troubled-monk-apparently-commits.html

But, you said you do not read english very well. I do not think there is any Russian articles about this subject.



The monastery denies that they ever threatened them, although they did throw away his retainers. Scott demanded 4000 US dollars in repayment, which they countered with paying for an orthodontist appointment for him to replace them which he refused.


Welcome to the forum by the way, we need more Russians!
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 01:10:23 AM »

I visit the monastery regularly as I live about an hour away. Feel free to ask any other questions you might have!
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2014, 02:34:46 AM »

Thank you very much! I can read English, but not very fast.
I will probably have more questions later.
And thank you for welcoming me!  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2014, 03:05:20 AM »

Welcome to the forum by the way, we need more Russians!

Agreed. Too many Americans!  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2014, 03:18:16 AM »

Thank you for a very informative article. It seems like the man was mentally ill. So it could happen in any monastery or civil organisation.
Were there any other stories there or this is the only one?
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2014, 03:25:47 AM »

Thank you for a very informative article. It seems like the man was mentally ill. So it could happen in any monastery or civil organisation.
Were there any other stories there or this is the only one?

Well, that is the only bad story as far as I know.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2014, 03:31:38 AM »

Very good! Thank you very much!
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« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 09:21:44 AM »

I have a question about elder Ephraim from the Holy Mount who opened a dozen of mpnateries on Arizona and who lives (lived?) in the monastery of St.Anthony in Arizona. I heard something bad happened there. Could somebody give me more details or a link to it?

For a general background history read this article first and then follow up with the links in the article:

http://religion.info/english/articles/article_555.shtml

For the suicide at St. Anthony's Monastery:  http://www.pokrov.org/suicide-incident-shocks-monks-st-anthony-monastery-in-arizona/
http://www.pokrov.org/the-arizona-monastery-depitcs-a-larger-problem-the-perpetuation-of-cultish-mentalities/

http://www.pokrov.org/in-the-shadow-of-the-monks-suicide-the-clergy-laity-congress-in-arizona/
http://www.pokrov.org/american-monastery-money-intrigue/
http://www.pokrov.org/editorial-second-anniversary-scott-nevins-suicide/
Also:http://gotruthreform.org/
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« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 10:15:27 AM »

I wouldn't rely on those for a general background because of their obvious slant. These are people who have not an inkling of an idea about the monks inhabiting these monasteries or how they are run.

This is what happens when hollow Orthodoxy meets Athonite Orthodoxy. St. Anthony's isn't perfect, but it is nothing like what it is being accused of. Shame on these gossip rags masquerading as the faithful.
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« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 11:05:05 AM »

I have a question about elder Ephraim from the Holy Mount who opened a dozen of mpnateries on Arizona and who lives (lived?) in the monastery of St.Anthony in Arizona. I heard something bad happened there. Could somebody give me more details or a link to it?

For a general background history read this article first and then follow up with the links in the article:

http://religion.info/english/articles/article_555.shtml

For the suicide at St. Anthony's Monastery:  http://www.pokrov.org/suicide-incident-shocks-monks-st-anthony-monastery-in-arizona/
http://www.pokrov.org/the-arizona-monastery-depitcs-a-larger-problem-the-perpetuation-of-cultish-mentalities/

http://www.pokrov.org/in-the-shadow-of-the-monks-suicide-the-clergy-laity-congress-in-arizona/
http://www.pokrov.org/american-monastery-money-intrigue/
http://www.pokrov.org/editorial-second-anniversary-scott-nevins-suicide/
Also:http://gotruthreform.org/

I would also not recommend either of these sites.  The man behind gotruthreform has very little understanding of Orthodoxy and openly supports having Freemason meetings in Orthodox churches.  That the monasteries find this unacceptable is one of the many things that he objects to about the monasteries.  Gotruth posts some stories that sound shocking, but they are all anonymous so it is impossible to verify any claims that are made.  If one actually visits any of Elder Ephraim's monasteries, speaks with the spiritual fathers there, and compares what is done and taught there to what has been done and taught for centuries by the Holy Fathers and on Mt. Athos in particular, one will get an entirely different perspective than one will get by reading such sites.
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« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 11:15:01 AM »

If one wants to know the truth of the monastery's spiritual inheritance, I recommend reading "Counsels from the Holy Mountain" by the Elder Ephraim himself. It is excellent and displays a phronema no different than any other Athonite text.
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« Reply #15 on: Today at 01:25:48 AM »

My priest has been to St. Anthony's and has spoken to Elder Ephraim several times.  He says the Elder is a humble and kind man.
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