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Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« on: June 19, 2014, 12:04:29 AM »
Our parish generally chants this service (the small Paraklesis) on Wednesdays and Fridays during the Dormition Fast.  Over the years, we've made a few changes to the service and I've noticed that it is different from what is printed in the Great Horologion.  My specific questions:

1)  At the Troparia following GOd is the Lord in tone 4, we chant "To God's Birthgiver" and then Glory and then repeat "To God's Birthgiver."  However, in a directive from His Grace, Bishop BASIL of DOWAMA, we were told to chant Glory and then the apolytikion of the saint/feast to whom the church is entrusted.  I have no reason to doubt His Grace and he says that the Typicon prescribes this, but I can't seem to find it.

2)  Also, I'm told that the irmoi are always omitted at canons for compline or Paraklesis save for the Great Canon during Great LEnt.  Is this correct?  If so, why?

3)  After Psalm 142 is finished, should there be a Glory...Both NOw followed by a threefold Alleluia...Glory to Thee, O God just as in Orthros or is that limited to Orthros?

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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2014, 01:35:15 AM »
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1)  At the Troparia following GOd is the Lord in tone 4, we chant "To God's Birthgiver" and then Glory and then repeat "To God's Birthgiver."  However, in a directive from His Grace, Bishop BASIL of DOWAMA, we were told to chant Glory and then the apolytikion of the saint/feast to whom the church is entrusted.  I have no reason to doubt His Grace and he says that the Typicon prescribes this, but I can't seem to find it.

The Paraclesis (supplicatory canon to the Theotokos) as printed by Narthex Press (GOARCH) on page 31 has the choir or chanter singing the apolytikion (dismissal hymn) of the patron saint to whom the church is entrusted after the Glory.

In an older HOCNA booklet (circa 1986), they say to chant "To God's Birthgiver" twice.
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2014, 01:37:52 AM »
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1)  At the Troparia following GOd is the Lord in tone 4, we chant "To God's Birthgiver" and then Glory and then repeat "To God's Birthgiver."  However, in a directive from His Grace, Bishop BASIL of DOWAMA, we were told to chant Glory and then the apolytikion of the saint/feast to whom the church is entrusted.  I have no reason to doubt His Grace and he says that the Typicon prescribes this, but I can't seem to find it.

The Paraclesis (supplicatory canon to the Theotokos) as printed by Narthex Press (GOARCH) has the choir or chanter singing the patron saint to whom the church is entrusted after the Glory.

In an older HOCNA booklet (circa 1986), they say to chant "To God's Birthgiver" twice.

The apolytikion (entrance hymn) of the church is never chanted at the Paraclesis - at least in my church.  I can't speak for others....

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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2014, 01:43:28 AM »
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1)  At the Troparia following GOd is the Lord in tone 4, we chant "To God's Birthgiver" and then Glory and then repeat "To God's Birthgiver."  However, in a directive from His Grace, Bishop BASIL of DOWAMA, we were told to chant Glory and then the apolytikion of the saint/feast to whom the church is entrusted.  I have no reason to doubt His Grace and he says that the Typicon prescribes this, but I can't seem to find it.

The Paraclesis (supplicatory canon to the Theotokos) as printed by Narthex Press (GOARCH) has the choir or chanter singing the patron saint to whom the church is entrusted after the Glory.

In an older HOCNA booklet (circa 1986), they say to chant "To God's Birthgiver" twice.

The apolytikion (entrance hymn) of the church is never chanted at the Paraclesis - at least in my church.  I can't speak for others....

There seems to be another place in the Paracleisis where a hymn to the Patron Saint is sung.

After the hymn: Let the lips of the impious be struck dumb, the Magnificat of the Patron Saint of the Parish is chanted.  

Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

(See page 50 of Sacraments and Services, Book 2, Narthex Press, 1995.)
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2014, 01:45:49 AM »
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3)  After Psalm 142 is finished, should there be a Glory...Both NOw followed by a threefold Alleluia...Glory to Thee, O God just as in Orthros or is that limited to Orthros?

According to both HOCNA and the GOARCH (Narthex book), after Psalm 142 is finished, there is no Glory or Both Now. We immediately sing, "God is Lord" in Tone 4.




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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2014, 01:50:09 AM »

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Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

No.
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2014, 01:52:14 AM »

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Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

No.


What is this Magnificat of the Patron Saint?
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2014, 02:03:11 AM »

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Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

No.


What is this Magnificat of the Patron Saint?

It's sung after the Polyeleos at Matins.
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2014, 02:18:59 AM »

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Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

No.


What is this Magnificat of the Patron Saint?

It's sung after the Polyeleos at Matins.

I understand the Magnificat to the Theotokos, but what is the one to the Patron Saint?
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2014, 02:26:29 AM »

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Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

No.


What is this Magnificat of the Patron Saint?

It's sung after the Polyeleos at Matins.

I understand the Magnificat to the Theotokos, but what is the one to the Patron Saint?

You're a cantor, aren't you? Look up the service to the parish patron which should be in the Menaion.
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2014, 02:50:14 AM »
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1)  At the Troparia following GOd is the Lord in tone 4, we chant "To God's Birthgiver" and then Glory and then repeat "To God's Birthgiver."  However, in a directive from His Grace, Bishop BASIL of DOWAMA, we were told to chant Glory and then the apolytikion of the saint/feast to whom the church is entrusted.  I have no reason to doubt His Grace and he says that the Typicon prescribes this, but I can't seem to find it.

The Paraclesis (supplicatory canon to the Theotokos) as printed by Narthex Press (GOARCH) has the choir or chanter singing the apolytikion of the patron saint to whom the church is entrusted after the Glory.

In an older HOCNA booklet (circa 1986), they say to chant "To God's Birthgiver" twice.

In the Great Horologion, published by HTM, it is chanted twice.  I can't seem to find any evidence for the apolytikion of the patron saint/patronal feast of the particular church to be chanted in place of "To God's Birthgiver."  I don't think it's a Slavic vs. Greek thing, because I'm pretty sure the Slavs do not have use this service, if memory serves.
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2014, 02:50:14 AM »

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Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

No.


What is this Magnificat of the Patron Saint?

It's megalynarion not magnificat.
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2014, 02:50:14 AM »

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Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

No.


What is this Magnificat of the Patron Saint?

It's sung after the Polyeleos at Matins.

Only in the Slavic traditions, I believe.
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2014, 03:02:25 AM »

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Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

No.


What is this Magnificat of the Patron Saint?

It's megalynarion not magnificat.

Megalynarion is the Greek word, Magnificat is the Latin.
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2014, 07:44:26 PM »

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Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

No.


What is this Magnificat of the Patron Saint?

It's megalynarion not magnificat.

Megalynarion is the Greek word, Magnificat is the Latin.

I'm aware but, liturgically, the Magnificat refers specifically to Mary's sing in Luke 1 and is the ninth ode in the Canon.
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Re: Paraklesis to the Theotokos
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2014, 03:27:03 PM »

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Is the Magnificat of the Patron Saint the same as the apolytikion?

No.


What is this Magnificat of the Patron Saint?

It is the 9th ode of the canon of the Saint. A complete Menaion will have a canon for every Saint.

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