Maybe it is not directly offensive to someone in the OCA or AOC because they do not know what is going on in the Balkans, but I think all Orthodox Christians stand together and agree that insulting Hierarchs is not the way to go.
On one hand we are to believe that universial condemnation of "what happend" to Bishop Jovan supercedes Civil Courts in Macedonia, and simultaneously admit their ignorance of what is going on in the same region?
Furthermore, I did not "point the finger" at any Hierarchs in your Church, but what I wrote is consistent with the facts as they panned out, don't you agree?
Not only did you point your fingers at the Hierachs of the MOC, you point your fingure at the faithful of the MOC, and the whole State of Macedonia with your generalized accusations ...
1. Do you agree that your Bishops signed Nis? (I think the answer is yes).
I agree that they signed a working document, which contents needed Synod approval and filtering through the Body of the Church.
2. Do you agree that the 4 Serbian Bishops believed they had an agreement? (I think the answer is yes).
Actually, I find it hard to believe that the Serbian Bishops would believe the Macedonian Orthodox Synod and the Macedonian faithful would accept change to their Church name..
3. Do you agree that the Macedonians only discarded the "proposed" agreement (as you say), when they came back to Macedonia? (I think the answer is yes).
No, not according to what was being reported to us by the Bishops. On every occaision, the MOC Bishops that took part in Nis informed Macedonia that what they put on paper has to be approved through Synodal Council and then filtered through the Church. There was not even a second when a MOC Bishop pretended to have such authority to make such changes on their own ...
4. Do you agree that after they presented this agreement to their Synod, it was rejected (even by the three who originally signed it as acceptable)? (I think the answer is yes).
I'm not sure who said what at the Synod Council.
5. Do you agree that only Archbishop Jovan agreed with the Nis agreement (from your Synod) in its original form, after your Bishops returned to Macedonia? (I think the answer is yes).
According to reports from some MOC Bishops, Vladika Jovan kept quiet until the Synod came out with the decision, and then he objected. According to Bishop and faithful accounts, this was not the first time Jovan had tried to place himself in position of Archbishop, nor was it the first time he had financial troubles...
So, if you agree with 1-5, we agree in principle on everything that led up to the problems.
Your version is that Archbishop Jovan (the "place libelous phrases here) was guided by greed and ambition to split from his Church, is that correct? (Again, I think it is yes).
This isn't only my belief, but if you go to Macedonia and speak to his former flock, you would get the same response.
My version is that your Hierarchs caved under political pressure.
Ok, this would be around the third or fourth consecutive time I would ask you whose political pressure are you talking about? How is it that I am not allowed to make accusatiosn that I have personal knowledge about, yet you can make such a generalized and abstract accusation without present proof?? Again, I would like moderators to give you 24 hours to provide proof of this, or retract your statement.
If Archbishop Jovan was seeking power (the title of Archbishop I presume is what you mean), do you not think he could forsee what was about to happen to him? In a "worldly" sense, how did he benefit? He didn't. He lost everything (again in a worldly sense). He has been beaten up, harrassed, had his Churches vandalized and destroyed, and he was wrongly accused and convicted.
To be honest, I can't speak as to what was going on in his head. I do know that he was promised grand support from both the SOC and the GOC, and he received and still receives such monetary support. This was admitted both by the SOC and the GOC.
But on the flip side, are you telling me that SOC Bishops didn't know that the Macedonians would react the way they did with seeking to remove the Macedonian name from the Church? Are you telling me that the SOC did not expect the reaction to the TOMOS, instilling Bishop Jovan as Archbishop, and then name his 'church' with the name they did? Are you telling me they did this out of pastoral love for the Macedonians?
In a spiritual sense though, he gained everything. He came back into communion with the Church and showed that to him his Orthodoxy is above it all. He once said in an interview something to the effect of "I don't care to be a Serb or a Macedonian, I wish I could say I'm a Byzantine". To me, that statement symbolizes a love for the "golden age" of our Church (if you will).
Yes I know, how wonderful of him to state. And it only goes to reinforce the grand double standard regarding the name change in the Nis working agreement. I wonder if a Serbian Orthodox bishop or, perhaps a Greek Orthodox Bishop, would say the same thing? But of course, it is ok for them to be proud nationals ... oh yes I forgot, according to you Orthodox Bishops are oblivious to ethnicity and geneology...
Why is the Macedonian identity more important than being in communion with the rest of Orthodoxy? (When I ask that, don't think I don't know that a HUGE percentage of the Serbian population thinks being Serbian is more important than being Orthodox, but I want to know why you feel it is more important).
I would qualify this as to whose identity is not important to them. Again, the double standard and hypocracy amazes me, who doesn't have a national church, and whose Church in the region isn't Named Bulgarian, Serbian, Albanian, or Greek?
And you still haven't answered why the name would even be a talking point in Nis? What the heck does our name have to do with Ecclesiastical matters regarding our communion?
And was it not St. Paul who said, "I am made everythig to everyone, to perhaps save some." ?? If it brings those who are not on the 'same level' of Savlation as you are to their salvation, why would Serbian Orthodox Bishops seek our name to be erased?
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