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« on: June 17, 2007, 01:46:02 PM »

This is topic is for devout U2 fans. U2 as always been my absolute favorite group, to the point of being obsessive when I was younger. I love everything about their sound. I love Bono's voice and The Edge has the coolest guitar sound in the world in my opinion. No one comes close to sounding like them.

I used to play in a garage band when I was a sophmore in highschool. I would spend hours everyday playing U2 songs and trying to get my guitar to sound like the Edge's guitar; however, I could never get it to sound quite like his no matter how hard I tried or messed with the guitar effects. Back then the internet wasn't around so I couldn't find out his setup and his settings for the effects.

Anyway, I was surfing Youtube and found this video of a guy doing the stuff I used to do, and he remarkably sounds like the edge. For those of you who don't like U2, this will be cheesey, but for those of you who love U2, I think you will like this guy's rendition of Ultraviolet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DYYEkFXdCY

Also, if you check out U2.com you will see that U2 has a new movie coming out for the IMAX called "U23D". It's going to be a 3D movie of their Vertigo tour.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2007, 01:52:29 PM »

Here is that guy's rendition of "Where the streets have no name". He does a great job at sounding like the edge. It is very difficult to get that sound on this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlBaZxozXs8&mode=related&search=
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2007, 02:09:06 PM »

U2? You gotta be kidding! They are so one dimensional.

"The Edge" is a one dimensional guitarist (he latches on to one riff, rachets up the treble and just repeats and repeats - gets on your nerves) and Bono can't get away from the same moaning vocal style and lame persona.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2007, 02:13:35 PM »

Just because someone plays a lot of notes doesn't make them a good guitar player. It gets redundant. It is how you make those notes sound. The edge says his belief is that "notes are expensive" and you have to make the most out of every note. The style of his arpaggeos and riffs as well as his effects is unique. No one else sounds like him.

Who do you like? Winger or Vanhallen??
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2007, 02:48:57 PM »

Guitar?

Anyone who can and does play J.S. Bach.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2007, 09:57:01 PM »

He does a few more songs, too. Here's Until the End of the World:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43BgYxlrkW8&mode=related&search=

The only thing I don't like is the video quality. It seems to be really choppy and I only get a very blurry picture of what he's doing. The sound is awesome, though. He actually uses the same guitars The Edge does, too. This one's an SG.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2007, 11:37:43 PM »

U2? You gotta be kidding! They are so one dimensional.

"The Edge" is a one dimensional guitarist (he latches on to one riff, rachets up the treble and just repeats and repeats - gets on your nerves) and Bono can't get away from the same moaning vocal style and lame persona.


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I have my favorite guitarists from Wes Montgomery to Jimi Hendrix, Bill Frisell to Andy Summers, Joe Pass to Stevie Ray
Vaughn, and Tuck Andress to John Mayer. The Edge is a VERY original player and has contributed greatly to the much neglected ART of accompaniment - aka rhythm guitar playing, along with the manipulation of effects.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2007, 11:43:20 PM »

Guitar?

Anyone who can and does play J.S. Bach.

There are plenty who can, such as Christopher Parkening (who is a devout Christian), Benjamin Verdery, Sharon Isbin, and many, many others. Classical guitar is wonderful and I have ther utmost respect for fine classical guitarists.

I have equal respect for accomplished jazz guitarists because that genre is every bit as difficult as classical music and it has been said by Wynton Marsallis and others that jazz is America's classical music.

But I also have a great love for folk music, as did many of the great classical composers (Bartok comes immediately to mind). Rock music is basically folk music, especially popular radio pop music. The Edge is a great folk musician, in that extended sense.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2007, 12:32:35 AM »

I don't know if it is just me, or if anyone else has picked up on how truly celtic U2's music is. Drones are constantly used in celtic music. The Edge is the king of drones. I think this is one of the things that I like about Byzantie Music is the Drone (Eson, I still call it a drone to the annoyance of the choir director  Grin). The drones are also my favorite things about the Bagpipes. To me they bring about a spiritual feeling.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2007, 12:46:00 AM »

 I've loved U2 since their 1980 release BOY. Of coarse, I didn't discover them until 5 years later with The Unforgettable Fire. Musically speaking, I'm very eclectic, but U2 has consistently remained at the top. And while I find Bono's antics a little too self-righteous at times, when the music starts all that no longer matters. As for The Edge being the best guitar player? I honestly don't think there is such a thing. I agree with BrotherAidan:

The Edge is a VERY original player and has contributed greatly to the much neglected ART of accompaniment - aka rhythm guitar playing, along with the manipulation of effects.

 The Edge OWNS the sound he created and perfected. People who listen to U2 (and even some who don't) know it when they hear it. Same thing with Bono's voice. Yes, he tends to moan a bit, but that's like saying Frank Sinatra tends to croon a bit. It's not one dimensional, it's their style. As for Larry Mullen Jr and Adam Clayton? Well, to use another analogy, Seinfeld might work with Jerry, Alistair, Bobby, and Francesca, but it wouldn't be the same. Wink

 If someone doesn't at least appreciate U2, all I can say is, we're *north and south of the river* Wink
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2007, 06:37:09 PM »

And while I find Bono's antics a little too self-righteous at times, when the music starts all that no longer matters.

Indeed. "Jesus, Jew, Mohammed, it's true"? Yeah, even I found that one cheesy. I must say, though, that there is something celestial about "Where the Streets Have No Name" live. There's something about the sound that no recording can capture. That song is worth the entire price of the ticket (all $200+).
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2007, 06:59:18 PM »

The edge says his belief is that "notes are expensive" and you have to make the most out of every note.

There is a difference between making use of a note and using that note over and over and over and over and over and over, until it grates on your nerves. He is the Dr. Suess of music!

"Notes are expensive", sheesh. Thank god Shakespeare did not abide to this type of stupidity!

I guess I am spoiled. By growing up in the 60's and early 70's when musicians were creating new sounds, I have no patience with the hugely mediocre musicians of today who are held up as geniuses.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2007, 09:30:00 PM »

If you love U2 so much, maybe you should attend U2Charist liturgies offered by the Episcopal church:

http://www.stgeorgesyorkharbor.org/U2%20Eucharists/u2charists.html

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_06044us.shtml

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2007, 10:05:22 PM »

If you love U2 so much, maybe you should attend U2Charist liturgies offered by the Episcopal church:
Don't love 'em that much.

There is a difference between making use of a note and using that note over and over and over and over and over and over, until it grates on your nerves. He is the Dr. Suess of music!

TomS won't listen to U2 songs,
he hates them like he hates Mah Jongs,
He will not listen to them in a box,
He will not listen to them by a fox,
TomS is mystified by all those throngs
who come to listen to U2 songs!

TomS prefers those far out licks
that come from bands like Cream and Styxx,
Thing 1, Thing 2, turn it up to eleven,
these are the sounds TomS calls heaven!
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2007, 10:17:09 PM »

TomS won't listen to U2 songs,
he hates them like he hates Mah Jongs,
He will not listen to them in a box,
He will not listen to them by a fox,
TomS is mystified by all those throngs
who come to listen to U2 songs!

TomS prefers those far out licks
that come from bands like Cream and Styxx,
Thing 1, Thing 2, turn it up to eleven,
these are the sounds TomS calls heaven!


Not too shabby!   Cheesy

Although the time of Styxx and Journey is when popular music jumped the shark!
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2007, 10:42:35 PM »

Not too shabby!   Cheesy
Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto! Wink I actually like some of the 60's and 70's rock n roll, including Journey.
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2007, 11:29:46 PM »

U2 is obviously a mega-band, extremely well known.
It would be interesting to hear about peoples more obscure favorites, both past and present.
I have been a huge Bruce Cockburn (Koe-burn) fan most of my adult life, for example. Although not un-known, I have even talked to Canadians who don't know about him (and he is Canadian).
I also like Leni Stern (Leenie - female German expatriate in NYC, married to fusion guitarist, Mike Stern) and the Wood Brothers (one of whom is also not un-known, being part of the trio, Martin, Medeski and Wood).
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2007, 12:26:49 AM »

I would dare to say that U2 are the Beatles of today (except much much better  Kiss)

I agree with you Y,

There is nothing like hearing "Where the streets have no name" live in concert. I can't explain it, but it makes me want to worship God. I feel like my Nous rises every time I hear it. This does not, however, constitute U2 Eucharistic services. I will say it is interesting that U2 is the group chosen by these weirdos to have a Eucharistic service to.

Imagine this: Bono as a cantor in the Orthodox church. It would be such a beautiful thing!

Another side note, Bono's real name is Paul and the Edge's real name is David.
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2007, 12:32:10 AM »

BTW---

 Does anyone know if U2 has ever toured Romania?? I would think it would be doubtful because the price of one of their tickets would be like 2 years of wages in Romania.

I have seen U2 4 times in concert. The first time was in 1992 on the ZOO TV tour. Tickets cost $65 then. The next time I saw them was in 1997 on the POPMART tour. Tickets ran $85+. I then saw them twice on the Elevation tour. Tickets were $150+. The tickets I got off of ebay were $750. (luckily I didn't have to pay for them, but I wont go into the details on that one).

Have any of you seen U2??
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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2007, 01:20:22 AM »

I saw them in 1987 for the Joshua Tree tour, what a show.  I saw them again a few years a go.

Imagine this: Bono as a cantor in the Orthodox church. It would be such a beautiful thing!
It would be a moving service, do you think he would run around in the church during liturgy and flirt with the ladies?  I think so. 

Hmm, if I could pick a 80s pop icon to chant, it'd have to be DAVID BYRNE!!!  Heck, you could even just substitute some Talking Heads rhythm/melodies.  Imagine "Once in a lifetime" but with an Ison and Stichera for lyrics!
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2007, 08:24:07 AM »

I would dare to say that U2 are the Beatles of today (except much much better  Kiss)

Dude. Careful. Blashpemy is a serious matter in the Church of Rock and Roll  Angry

And my son would disagree with you - he says that Radiohead is much more talented.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2007, 09:17:42 AM »

Just because someone plays a lot of notes doesn't make them a good guitar player. It gets redundant. It is how you make those notes sound. The edge says his belief is that "notes are expensive" and you have to make the most out of every note. The style of his arpaggeos and riffs as well as his effects is unique. No one else sounds like him.

I actually agree with TomS on this one.  While I dig U2 and their music, I really have to balk at descriptions of The Edge as a great guitar player.  He's unique, but uniqueness does not necessarily mean greatness.  One dimension is still one dimension.  Don't get me wrong...the man can write a song.  I just find his execution of that song to be poor.

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Who do you like? Winger or Vanhallen??

Kip Winger is actually a bass player, but that's beside the point.

As a guitar player myself, I prefer Richie Blackmore, Adrian Smith, and Rick Nielsen.  Each of them are far from one dimensional (esp. Blackmore!) AND they're all incredible songwriters in the rock genre.
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2007, 09:45:19 AM »

I actually saw U2 on their Boy tour when I was just out of highschool.  They played at a VERY small club in Austin where I was one of about 40 people who came to the show.  I went because I loved the song "Gloria" (and still do) and I could tell then that they would become famous.  Their songs are catchy and have decent lyrics; however the Edge is NO "master" at the guitar.  He has a definite style all his own but he could not rival many other guitarists even in the rock genre ( Page, Hendricks, Townsend, etc.)

ps.  I agree with TomS's son about Radiohead....for originality!

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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2007, 09:18:59 PM »

however the Edge is NO "master" at the guitar.  He has a definite style all his own but he could not rival many other guitarists even in the rock genre ( Page, Hendricks, Townsend, etc.)

Juliana

Sorry folks, the Edge is just NOT that type of guitar player.

May I shout for just a moment, because this (not just you Juliana, but several of the last couple posts) makes me want to scream:
THERE IS MORE TO GUITAR PLAYING THAN LEAD GUITAR AND SOLOING!

Ahem, okay, now I'm calm.

I repeat myself: there is the forgotten art of rhythm guitar and accompaniment.

My opinion is that if you can't comp (a jazz term, look it up) for a singer (whether jazz, folk, rock or funk) you can't play.

The Edge can definitely back a singer, especially one singer!  In fact one cannot imagine U2 songs without those guitar parts.

Now, I am not dissing many of the great guitar players many of you have mentioned because they are great soloists and can also play rhythm, but not all great guitarists were/are lead players: consider Freddie Green, Jimmy Nolen, Curtis Mayfield, Avi Bortnick, Andy Summers, James Taylor, Tuck Andress, to name a few - all masters of rhythm guitar or guitar accompaniment.
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2007, 10:40:05 PM »

Brotha' Aiden,

Excellent observation. I whole heartedly agree with you. There is an art to guitar accompaniment. I have heard The Edge's style referred to as a "lead rhythm". It isn't exactly lead but it isn't completely rhythm: it's a lead rhythm.

I honestly don't know who uses effects the way the edge does. Have you ever heard anyone who uses them like The Edge?? He also makes arpeggios and harmonics sound really cool. The beginning of "Where the streets have no name" is basically an arpeggio. Sunday bloody sunday, Pride in the name of love, and wire are just a few of his songs that have awesome sounding harmonics.

On another side note, I read in the last edition of Rolling Stone magazine that The Edge was selling his Cream 1976 Gibson Les Paul in a charity auction. I think it went for $68,000 which I really don't think is that much given all of the tours and albums The Edge has used it on. I would love to have that guitar!! I'm sad to see The Edge get rid of it. 
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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2007, 10:48:57 PM »

I honestly don't know who uses effects the way the edge does. Have you ever heard anyone who uses them like The Edge??

Sheesh. I hope you are wearing knee pads.  Cheesy

Tell the truth; you are a 15 year old girl, right?
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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2007, 11:11:18 PM »

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Tell the truth; you are a 15 year old girl, right?

Ha Ha Ha  Cheesy

I have been known to be a little gitty about U2.

When I was in highschool, My room was covered in U2 Posters. I'm not as bad (or compulsive about U2) as I used to be, but they will always be in my heart!

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Imagine this: Bono as a cantor in the Orthodox church. It would be such a beautiful thing!
It would be a moving service, do you think he would run around in the church during liturgy and flirt with the ladies?  I think so.

Hmm, if I could pick a 80s pop icon to chant, it'd have to be DAVID BYRNE!!!  Heck, you could even just substitute some Talking Heads rhythm/melodies.  Imagine "Once in a lifetime" but with an Ison and Stichera for lyrics!

You know, another guy who I think would make an AWESOME cantor in the Orthodox church (and I mean this guy has the PERFECT voice for Orthodox chanting) is Dave Gahan, Depeche Mode's singer. He has the best baritone voice I have ever heard.
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2007, 01:48:08 AM »

As a guitar player myself, I prefer Richie Blackmore, Adrian Smith, and Rick Nielsen.  Each of them are far from one dimensional (esp. Blackmore!) AND they're all incredible songwriters in the rock genre.

Is the Adrian Smith you mention here the same guy from Iron Maiden? If so, that's friggin' awesome!

UP THE IRONS!  Grin
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You know, another guy who I think would make an AWESOME cantor in the Orthodox church (and I mean this guy has the PERFECT voice for Orthodox chanting) is Dave Gahan, Depeche Mode's singer. He has the best baritone voice I have ever heard.

I totally agree, Depeche Mode has to be one of the most unique bands that I have ever heard and also my favorite along with U2. I can't think of another band that even comes close to what DM does, and the ones that were kind of in the same genre pretty much didn't make it past the 80's. They are still making quality albums after being around for almost 30 years & DM is still just about the biggest thing in Europe and many other countries along with U2 of course.. Grin 
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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2007, 02:40:21 AM »

Nacho,

As much as I enjoy watching "to catch a predator", your avatar is creepy. Wink

Mabey you should replace it with Bono or Dave Gahan???
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« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2007, 03:19:22 AM »

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As much as I enjoy watching "to catch a predator", your avatar is creepy. Wink

Mabey you should replace it with Bono or Dave Gahan???

You do have to admit that it's pretty funny though. It's a big hit over at a bodybuilding forum that I frequent and everyone jokes about it in the threads there. I'll probably change it soon.
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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2007, 06:40:08 AM »

My opinion is that if you can't comp (a jazz term, look it up) for a singer (whether jazz, folk, rock or funk) you can't play.

Indeed. At the Protestant church I went to years ago, the pianist was Dino Kartsonakis (I'm not making this up). He's a really talented musician, but he would throw so many extra notes around the melody that he would throw the rhythm off and the choir wouldn't be able to keep up. Eventually the choir started singing their "special music" without him and only used him for the hymns.
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« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2007, 08:46:36 AM »

They are still making quality albums after being around for almost 30 years & DM is still just about the biggest thing in Europe and many other countries along with U2 of course.. Grin 

In Europe? Along with electronic dance music? And you consider this positive? European music is crap.
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« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2007, 08:48:31 AM »

You do have to admit that it's pretty funny though.

Sorry, but No, it is not.
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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2007, 09:05:49 AM »

Is the Adrian Smith you mention here the same guy from Iron Maiden? If so, that's friggin' awesome!

UP THE IRONS!  Grin

Yes, indeed he is.  "The Prisoner" is the reason I picked up a guitar in the first place Smiley
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In Europe? Along with electronic dance music? And you consider this positive? European music is crap.

Don't even know what you are talking about son. How can you even compare electronic dance music to Depeche Mode. It's also funny how allot of guitar driven bands such as Korn & Deftones name DM as influental to name a few. I think Europeans have much better taste in music than the crap most Americans listen to..(example would the be popularity of stupid EMO bands with no musical talent)
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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2007, 09:42:35 AM »

Don't even know what you are talking about son. How can you even compare electronic dance music to Depeche Mode. It's also funny how allot of guitar driven bands such as Korn & Deftones name DM as influental to name a few. I think Europeans have much better taste in music than the crap most Americans listen to..(example would the be popularity of stupid EMO bands with no musical talent)

I was never a fan of Depeche Mode (in high school I referred to them as "Flush DeCommode") but my wife really likes them.  She played a bootleg live cd she had of David Gahan doing an entire set of DM songs acoustically and I really enjoyed it.  After hearing that, I could really appreciate the songwriting that went into DM songs even if I don't really like the execution via electronica.

And I have to agree with Nacho.  Europeans have far better taste in music, at least rock music, than Americans and are definitely more appreciative of the bands who come to play live.  I have a number of friends whose small punk rock bands have gone to tour Europe and were treated like kings vis-a-vis how they're received in even their own hometowns.  The American music-listening public is jaded and has a huge sense of entitlement that you just don't find elsewhere.
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2007, 11:29:07 AM »

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And I have to agree with Nacho.  Europeans have far better taste in music,

I agree as well. Americans rather listen to Justin Timberlake and Jessica Simpson than any quality music. We are also spoon fed what we listen too by the radio stations which are owned by monopolies. It doesn't matter what state or city you are in, it is the same crap on the radio. The airwaves have been "walmartized".
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2007, 11:31:22 AM »

Someone was talking about more obscure bands. I don't know if any of you have listened to "James", but they are one of my all time favorites. In europe they are huge and have a cult following. I was suprised to hear them on the radio all the time when I was in london; in fact, the radio actually had good music on it while I was over there, it was amazing!
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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2007, 11:44:00 AM »

Yes, indeed he is.  "The Prisoner" is the reason I picked up a guitar in the first place Smiley

Prisoner is a good song, but I always thought Adrian's signature lick and best guitar solos were what he did on Somewhere in Time with "Wasted Years" and "Stranger in a Strange Land."  But hey, whatever works for you. 

I was inspired to pick up bass by hearing Geddy Lee on "Tom Sawyer" which is hardly Rush's finest.  To each his own.
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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2007, 01:41:41 PM »

Prisoner is a good song, but I always thought Adrian's signature lick and best guitar solos were what he did on Somewhere in Time with "Wasted Years" and "Stranger in a Strange Land."  But hey, whatever works for you. 

Well, I first picked up guitar a couple of years before Somewhere in Time came out!

But you are definitely right..."Wasted Years" has it all Smiley



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Well, I first picked up guitar a couple of years before Somewhere in Time came out!

But you are definitely right..."Wasted Years" has it all Smiley

Rock on, my friend.  Rock on!

UP THE IRONS!
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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2007, 02:53:58 PM »

And I have to agree with Nacho.  Europeans have far better taste in music, at least rock music, than Americans and are definitely more appreciative of the bands who come to play live. The American music-listening public is jaded and has a huge sense of entitlement that you just don't find elsewhere.

Even the hard rock, heavy metal coming out of Europe is 1000x way better than what the Linkin' Parks, Nickelbacks et al are dishing out by the barrelful on the radio.  American radio, once the beacon of liberty and no-holds-barred, is now a slave to corporate music.  We had an independent radio station in college and would play what we WANTED to play.  Still, people always called in and wanted to hear what they had just heard on another generic radio station. 
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Hey Y,

Is that Clay Aiken on your avatar???
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I was never a fan of Depeche Mode (in high school I referred to them as "Flush DeCommode") but my wife really likes them.  She played a bootleg live cd she had of David Gahan doing an entire set of DM songs acoustically and I really enjoyed it.  After hearing that, I could really appreciate the songwriting that went into DM songs even if I don't really like the execution via electronica.

And I have to agree with Nacho.  Europeans have far better taste in music, at least rock music, than Americans and are definitely more appreciative of the bands who come to play live.  I have a number of friends whose small punk rock bands have gone to tour Europe and were treated like kings vis-a-vis how they're received in even their own hometowns.  The American music-listening public is jaded and has a huge sense of entitlement that you just don't find elsewhere.

Thanks for backing me up son! In regards to Depeche Mode, there is something so moving with the way they arrange thier music and the lyrics are also quite deep. I think Martin Gore of Depeche Mode is one of the better lyricist out there. I just can't think of any other band that has done anything like them. They are a unique assortment & blend of cutting edge synths, guitar, and other various instruments. They will also literally 'experiment' with any sound and try to incorporate it into a song if it sounds good. I think they spend twice as much time making an album than your average guitar driven band (so much easier & simplistic!) because so much more goes into how they make thier music sound.  Each album they have produced also sounds quite different from the last, truely making them pioneers of what they do. It's nice to see that they have been around for almost 30 years making good music and still one of the most popular bands around, especially in Europe and latin America. 

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Yea, there is like a mass 'stupidity' going around in this country and it's really annoying. Everything from the crappy music, MTV, reality shows, myspace, people constantly talking on their cell phones etc.... Roll Eyes I guess the crappy music today is just a byproduct of all these mindless MTV worshipping drones. Things were so much better in the 80's & early 90's when good music was still being played and promoted on the radio. Great bands like Depeche Mode, INXS, U2, The Cure, & ColdPlay to name a few are replaced with the garbage that fills the airwaves today thanks to all the mindless tools in our society.

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Things were so much better in the 80's & early 90's when good music was still being played and promoted on the radio. Great bands like Depeche Mode, INXS, U2, The Cure, & ColdPlay to name a few are replaced with the garbage that fills the airwaves today thanks to all the mindless tools in our society.

Look, I gave you the benefit of the doubt on Depeche Mode (don't care one way or the other), and I'm totally cool with the other guys you mentioned, but ColdPlay?  What the bleep?
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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2007, 08:50:34 PM »

Coldplay is the next U2.
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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2007, 10:12:55 PM »

Coldplay is the next U2.

Could be. They are also mediocre.
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Look, I gave you the benefit of the doubt on Depeche Mode (don't care one way or the other), and I'm totally cool with the other guys you mentioned, but ColdPlay?  What the bleep?

ColdPlay is pretty dam good. They have made some really good albums, but hey if you don't like them that's just fine.

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Could be. They are also mediocre

I would disagree. They make some pretty good moving melodic tunes. What kind of music do you listen to son?
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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2007, 11:18:28 PM »

If you love U2, or even if you doubt their songwriting skills, check out Johnny Cash's interpretation of the U2 song "One".  Wonderful song and performance.
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« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2007, 11:21:47 PM »

I first picked up a guitar because I saw the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show. I wanted to be John Lennon - I thought he was the "cool" Beatle.
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« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2007, 11:23:29 PM »

If you love U2, or even if you doubt their songwriting skills, check out Johnny Cash's interpretation of the U2 song "One".  Wonderful song and performance.

Those several Johhny Cash CD's covering all kinds of songs are great. Except he doesn't cover them, he CONVERTS them into Johnny Cash songs!
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« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2007, 11:29:40 PM »

Things were so much better in the 80's & early 90's when good music was still being played and promoted on the radio. Great bands like Depeche Mode, INXS, U2, The Cure, & ColdPlay to name a few are replaced with the garbage that fills the airwaves today thanks to all the mindless tools in our society.



If you liked radio then, you would have really loved the early days of fm radio in the late 60's, early 70's - they did play anything they wanted, usually whole sides of albums (but that was probably so they could go burn a doobie!)

Even am radio was pretty wide open: you could hear in the same hour, Petula Clark, The Beatles, the Temptations, James Taylor, Marvin Gaye, Chicago, Tom Jones, Stevie Wonder, Eric Clapton, Crosby-Stills-Nash&Young, Bob Dylan, The Stones, and maybe something off the wall like Tiny Tim singing "Tiptoe through the Tulips."

PS I agree with you about the mindless "plugged in " culture
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« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2007, 11:36:16 PM »

Sorry for 4 posts in a row, but

I bought a vintage, restored Dual turntable today with a new shure cartridge.

Wow! I forgot how spacious and three-dimensional records are. Pretty cool.
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« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2007, 11:52:17 PM »

I love U2 and many of the other bands mentioned from the 80s. Reminds me of my college days when I only wore black clothing  Cheesy.  But I also love Dick Dale...surf music...I am a California girl!  Wink
Dick Dale is of Lebanese heritage and he loved to mix middle-eastern sounds into his music.
Here's one of my favorites:

Misirlou

http://podcast.xs4all.nl/upload/werksman-misirlou.mp3

Its an old song from the middle east. Here are the words in Greek with English translation

Greek         
Μισιρλού μου, η γλυκιά σου η ματιά
Φλόγα μου 'χει ανάψει μες στην καρδιά
Αχ, για χαμπίμπι, αχ, για χαλέλι, αχ

Τα δυο σου χείλη στάζουνε μέλι, αχ

Αχ, Μισιρλού, μαγική, ξωτική ομορφιά
Τρέλα θα μου 'ρθει, δεν υποφέρω πια
Αχ, θα σε κλέψω μέσα από την Αραπιά

Μαυρομάτα Μισιρλού μου τρελή
Η ζωή μου αλλάζει μ' ένα φιλί
Αχ, για χαμπίμπι ενα φιλάκι,άχ
Απ' το γλυκό σου το στοματάκι, αχ

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My Misirlou (Egyptian girl), your sweet glance
It's lit a flame in my heart
Ah, ya habibi, Ah, ya haleli, ah
(Arabic: Oh, my love, Oh, my night)
Your lips are dripping honey, ah

Ah, Misirlou, magical, exotic beauty
Madness will overcome me, I can't take any more
Ah, I'll steal you away from the Arab land

My black-eyed, my wild Misirlou
My life changes with one kiss
Ah, ya habibi, one little kiss, ah
From your sweet little lips, ah

[this song is about a forbidden love because the Egyptian girl is muslim.]
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« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2007, 12:12:22 AM »

Dick Dale is Leboneese??? Awesome, I never would have guessed. He just looks like another big-kahuna. I love the song of his that is on Pulp Fiction. His guitar playing never gets old.
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« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2007, 12:14:06 AM »

Great post Tamara!

By the way, what's wrong with wearing all black clothing?  Grin Reminds me of a Depeche Mode song called 'Black Celebration'.
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Yea, that was something else! He also did a Depeche Mode cover which was pretty cool also. The song he did was called 'Personal Jesus,' other bands such as Marylin Manson also attempted this cover lol.
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« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2007, 12:36:21 AM »

Great post Tamara!

By the way, what's wrong with wearing all black clothing?  Grin Reminds me of a Depeche Mode song called 'Black Celebration'.

Nothing. I still prefer black.  Wink
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« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2007, 12:59:48 AM »

^^ Sweeeeeeet!   Wink  I guess I can keep wearing my black then son!
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« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2007, 02:32:08 AM »

you can never go wrong with black. it makes you look skiinyer!
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Hey Y,

Is that Clay Aiken on your avatar???

Actually, it's Thom Yorke.
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If you love U2, or even if you doubt their songwriting skills, check out Johnny Cash's interpretation of the U2 song "One".  Wonderful song and performance.

Absolutely. I love Cash's version even better than The Edge's.
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...But I also love Dick Dale...surf music...I am a California girl!  Wink
Dick Dale is of Lebanese heritage and he loved to mix middle-eastern sounds into his music.

Dear Tamara,

Thanks for the recommendation and information!  Ive heard Dick Dale but never knew him by name.  I downloaded a collection of his songs to try out and will be listening to them on my roadtrip.  Seems like great roadtrip music!
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« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2007, 12:52:56 PM »

Dear Tamara,

Thanks for the recommendation and information!  Ive heard Dick Dale but never knew him by name.  I downloaded a collection of his songs to try out and will be listening to them on my roadtrip.  Seems like great roadtrip music!

Glad you enjoyed it. I was surprised to find out that most people who don't live on the west coast have never heard of surf music. You might also enjoy music by the Ventures and The Surfaris best known for their song, Wipeout.

Listen here: http://www.jimfacey.com/The%20Surfaris%20-%20Wipeout.mp3
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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2007, 11:06:39 PM »

Those several Johhny Cash CD's covering all kinds of songs are great. Except he doesn't cover them, he CONVERTS them into Johnny Cash songs!

 Now THAT'S the the truth! I love U2, but Johnny's got MMMMooooojoooo!
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« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2007, 11:17:10 PM »

My Misirlou (Egyptian girl), your sweet glance
It's lit a flame in my heart
Ah, ya habibi, Ah, ya haleli, ah
(Arabic: Oh, my love, Oh, my night)
Your lips are dripping honey, ah

 Yep, Misr is the Arabic name for Egypt. Also, Arab men who are close friends (that's hetero BTW  Wink ) also address each other as Ya Habibi. It can have a romantic or platonic connotation.
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« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2007, 12:59:40 AM »

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Now THAT'S the the truth! I love U2, but Johnny's got MMMMooooojoooo!


Speaking of Mr. Cash on the U2 thread, U2 did a song with the man in black on their "Zooropa" album. It is called "The Wanderer". Johnny does the vocals on the song. It is my absolute favorite song on the album! U2 and Johnny Cash were good friends. Johnny Cash was also an inspiration to depeche mode (believe it or not!).

Here is a link to U2 performing a tribute to johnny cash after he passed away. Crank your speakers up!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kF4mUq3hYyA

Here is another link to U2 covering Johnny Cash's song "Don't take your guns to town".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oa9ve9kkRYU
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Speaking of Mr. Cash on the U2 thread, U2 did a song with the man in black on their "Zooropa" album. It is called "The Wanderer". Johnny does the vocals on the song. It is my absolute favorite song on the album! U2 and Johnny Cash were good friends. Johnny Cash was also an inspiration to depeche mode (believe it or not!).

 I believe it! It's funny that some of y'all think American music lacks in comparison to European, but all of them pay tribute to the original man in black!  Wink
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« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2007, 01:28:01 AM »

Yep, Misr is the Arabic name for Egypt. Also, Arab men who are close friends (that's hetero BTW  Wink ) also address each other as Ya Habibi. It can have a romantic or platonic connotation.

But I think the translator should have used 'habibtay' (fem.) instead of 'habibi' (mas.).
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« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2007, 01:33:42 AM »

Hey Mr. Almuhajir, nice Talking Heads Avatar there son!
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« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2007, 07:17:34 PM »

Dang' son....

Check this Depeche Mode live clip out.....it's like 'synth metal' if there is such a thing!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bjduu6THUYo
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« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2007, 12:00:32 AM »

Here is a link to the best live performance of "I still haven't found what I'm looking for" It's live in Milan on their last tour. It's awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggMhLmOOc2A
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« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2007, 12:37:41 AM »

Here is a link to the best live performance of "I still haven't found what I'm looking for" It's live in Milan on their last tour. It's awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggMhLmOOc2A

 I like Mr. Goodvoice's little story about how the Italians invented the movies with the first stained glass window. What a dork.  Roll Eyes But man can he sing or what! I wish I could sing like that. I'm sure my choir director just wished I could sing period.  Cheesy
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« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2007, 07:23:12 AM »

Wow. Far cry from "Man melts the sand so he can see himself up close." That was a rather insightful line.

OTOH, he does say, "I don't know what I'm talking about," after he tells the stained glass story. That, too, is a rather insightful line.
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OTOH, he does say, "I don't know what I'm talking about," after he tells the stained glass story. That, too, is a rather insightful line.

It was a lot more insightful than his "jew, Jesus, mohommad its true-coexist" stuff he was spouting off.
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« Reply #76 on: July 13, 2007, 12:23:36 AM »

Glad you enjoyed it. I was surprised to find out that most people who don't live on the west coast have never heard of surf music. You might also enjoy music by the Ventures and The Surfaris best known for their song, Wipeout.

Listen here: http://www.jimfacey.com/The%20Surfaris%20-%20Wipeout.mp3

Guitar players know about surf music and Dick Dale and the Ventures and Surfaris. There were some east coast bands that played the same sort of instrumental rock, but the really big names were west coast.

Pipeline, Walk Don't Run, Tequilla, Wipe Out - great songs, great era
How many instrumental songs period do your hear today? - back then, in addition to Surf bands you had Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass (A Taste of Honey and tons of other hits), Hugh Masakela (Grazin in the Grass), Young-Hold Unlimited, Ramsay Lewis (The In Crowd), Vince Guaraldi (Cast Your Fate to the Wind - also Charlie Brown's Christmas), Stan Getz (Girl From Ipanema), Mason Williams (Classical Gas), the Meters (Cissy Strut) and movie/broadway hits.

A great, great era for pop music - and a primer to get people into classical music and jazz.
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« Reply #77 on: July 13, 2007, 01:05:55 AM »

It was a lot more insightful than his "jew, Jesus, mohommad its true-coexist" stuff he was spouting off.
Yea, that stuff was way over the Edge. I mean the top.  Wink I don't even think his inner sanctum of devotees bought into that silliness.
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« Reply #78 on: July 13, 2007, 08:22:14 AM »

How many instrumental songs period do your hear today?

A lot, but I have to go looking for them. I especially enjoy Philip Glass and Tim Janis.

As far as pop/classical crossover, Josh Groban and Yo-Yo Ma have done a lot to get people interested in opera and baroque, respectively.

You're right, though. These days, when I mention Herbie Hancock or Wynton Marsalis, few have even heard them. They may recognize Miles Davis, but almost none can even name one album he did (oh, and what spectacular music he made). And it seems that lyrics are just a way to cover up that the music isn't good enough to retain people's attention for even three minutes.

One reason, though, that I love bands like U2 and the Police is that they treat the voice as an instrument. Bono's notes form a counter-melody to the Edge's riffs. And melody and counter-melody are major aspects of, you guessed it, jazz. So maybe today's pop stars are relying on politics and cultural relevance to sell albums, but yesterday's are still making real art. Judging, too, by some really artistic new acts--the Mars Volta, Of Montreal, Franz Ferdinand, the Arcade Fire, the White Stripes--there will be no shortage of those who continue the fine tradition you love.
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« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2007, 08:54:44 PM »

Here is the trailer to the new U2 movie coming to the IMAX this fall. It is called U23D. Check it out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mTURgcNNM
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« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2007, 09:41:47 PM »

Glad you enjoyed it. I was surprised to find out that most people who don't live on the west coast have never heard of surf music. You might also enjoy music by the Ventures and The Surfaris best known for their song, Wipeout.

Listen here: http://www.jimfacey.com/The%20Surfaris%20-%20Wipeout.mp3
I'd be surprised if anyone hadn't heard wipeout. 

Well I wanted to say that I enjoyed Dick Dale.  As an Antiochian myself who learned how to chant listening to Antiochian brothers and sisters, I can say that it was especially pleasurable to listen to Dick Dale with his Lebanese background in mind!  I especially enjoyed some of his later recordings that I hadn't heard before that showed how amazing he is on the guitar.  Dick Dale rocks your socks off, no question.

And just to bring this entire "U2"-"Johnny Cash"-"Dick Dale" discussion full circle, I have to say that one of the more enjoyable covers that I listened to by Dick Dale on my roadtrip was none other than "Ring of Fire".  Dick Dale does a superb job at interpreting Ring of Fire, a challenge in itself, and makes it his own.  Have ya heard Dick Dale do Ring of Fire?  He also does Ghostriders in the Storm, but Ring of Fire was kickin.

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« Reply #81 on: August 11, 2007, 11:55:03 PM »

Hugh Masakela (Grazin in the Grass), Vince Guaraldi (Cast Your Fate to the Wind - also Charlie Brown's Christmas), Stan Getz (Girl From Ipanema)
I'm all about Jazz. I have Grazin in the Grass by Boney James/Rick Braun; it's a great cd. I also have Vince Gauraldi's CB Christmas cd. The song 'Christmas Time is Here'  is a wonderful song to chill out to during the holiday season. Stan Getz' Bossa Nova is great too. It's got one of my fav songs on it; 'Chega de Saudade' (No More Blues) but I still enjoy Dizzy's version best.

 Sorry OrthodoxBagpiper, didn't mean to hijack the thread...carry on. Wink
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« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2007, 01:29:46 AM »

I'd be surprised if anyone hadn't heard wipeout. 

And just to bring this entire "U2"-"Johnny Cash"-"Dick Dale" discussion full circle, I have to say that one of the more enjoyable covers that I listened to by Dick Dale on my roadtrip was none other than "Ring of Fire".  Dick Dale does a superb job at interpreting Ring of Fire, a challenge in itself, and makes it his own.  Have ya heard Dick Dale do Ring of Fire?  He also does Ghostriders in the Storm, but Ring of Fire was kickin.



I love that song! Dick Dale's version is fantastic...I also like Social Distortion's version of it too!
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« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2007, 01:56:08 AM »

Social D's was not bad too!  But I think Dick Dales is pretty amazing.  That song is so good. 


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Johnny Cash should be an honorary Orthodox saint of the unmercenary type!

This man could actually become a huge help for the american priesthood and the challenges we face in the church today.

(Fr Chris, thou art a man in black, please educate me with what I need to do to start the Johnny Cash glorification process.)
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« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2007, 09:08:48 PM »

I'm all about Jazz. I have Grazin in the Grass by Boney James/Rick Braun; it's a great cd.

Sure is. I have the same one. Theirs is a fantastic interpretation of that song (they have both an instrumental and a vocal version on the album).
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« Reply #85 on: August 27, 2007, 12:15:11 AM »

Social D's was not bad too!  But I think Dick Dales is pretty amazing.  That song is so good. 


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This man could actually become a huge help for the american priesthood and the challenges we face in the church today.

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« Reply #86 on: August 27, 2007, 12:16:30 AM »

A lot, but I have to go looking for them. I especially enjoy Philip Glass and Tim Janis.

As far as pop/classical crossover, Josh Groban and Yo-Yo Ma have done a lot to get people interested in opera and baroque, respectively.

You're right, though. These days, when I mention Herbie Hancock or Wynton Marsalis, few have even heard them. They may recognize Miles Davis, but almost none can even name one album he did (oh, and what spectacular music he made). And it seems that lyrics are just a way to cover up that the music isn't good enough to retain people's attention for even three minutes.

One reason, though, that I love bands like U2 and the Police is that they treat the voice as an instrument. Bono's notes form a counter-melody to the Edge's riffs. And melody and counter-melody are major aspects of, you guessed it, jazz. So maybe today's pop stars are relying on politics and cultural relevance to sell albums, but yesterday's are still making real art. Judging, too, by some really artistic new acts--the Mars Volta, Of Montreal, Franz Ferdinand, the Arcade Fire, the White Stripes--there will be no shortage of those who continue the fine tradition you love.

Granted, there is good instrumental music out there; I was referring to the fact that in the 60's you could actually hear instrumental music on pop radio. I think it was easier to get into jazz after hearing Grazin' in the Grass or Girl From Ipanema or Wave on pop radio.

For me, my entre into jazz was Wes Montgomery (the best jazz guitarist ever) playing "Windy" on a Herb Alpert special on TV in the winter of 1968. It changed my life! Seriously, it was almost a religious experience.

BTW, I saw the Police in Cleveland in July (drove 3 hours from Pittsburgh each way). Awesome, awesome, awesome! No new CD to support, just 2 hours of eighties bliss!!
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Can we add CS Lewis while we are at it?
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BTW, I saw the Police in Cleveland in July (drove 3 hours from Pittsburgh each way). Awesome, awesome, awesome! No new CD to support, just 2 hours of eighties bliss!!

Mr. Y and I saw the Police in St. Louis -- absolutely *wonderful* show.  Stuart Copeland is just a fantastic as ever and Sting... well... it's Sting.  Doesn't get better than that.  Even if he can't really hit any high notes anymore.
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« Reply #89 on: August 27, 2007, 10:05:18 PM »

Mr. Y and I saw the Police in St. Louis -- absolutely *wonderful* show.  Stuart Copeland is just a fantastic as ever and Sting... well... it's Sting.  Doesn't get better than that.  Even if he can't really hit any high notes anymore.

Sting was "on" the night I heard them in Cleveland. He hit all the notes. Copeland is awesome. Sting is a much better bass player live than I ever thought he would be. And Andy Summers is a magician - of the three, he is showing his age a bit.
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« Reply #90 on: August 27, 2007, 10:40:31 PM »

Folks,

As wonderful as the police and dick dale are, they are not U2 and do not posses the magic of U2.   Wink

With that being said, I do think that Coldplay are the next U2. Can I get an Amen?!
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« Reply #91 on: August 27, 2007, 10:56:40 PM »

Folks,

As wonderful as the police and dick dale are, they are not U2 and do not posses the magic of U2.   Wink

With that being said, I do think that Coldplay are the next U2. Can I get an Amen?!

Can't go there with you, brother!

Here is my assessment.
U2 took on the mantle of the Beatles
Springsteen took on the mantle of the Stones
the Police took on the mantle of Zepplin
and Hendrix - well no one revolutionized guitar playing like he did
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« Reply #92 on: August 28, 2007, 04:22:32 PM »

DM is good for sure.  U2 was OK, they got better after Eno.  Eno is the BASF of music: he does not make the music that most of us listen to (unless you are me), he makes the music we listen to better (U2, Talking Heads, DEVO, Bowie's Low and Heros, Roxy Music).

Guitar?  Robert Fripp.  Sorry, Edge is not worthy to hold a used G string from the Fripp guitar (if it was even tuned to G, you never know with Fripp).

Lyrics?  Bowie and Cat Stevens are my favorites.

And there is always a place in my heart for Gary Numan.  Are "Friends" electric?  Maybe . . .
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BLASPHEMY! You should be burned at the steak as a heretic!  Cheesy
And what would you use for the firewood?  Old guitars?
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Here is my assessment.
U2 took on the mantle of the Beatles
Springsteen took on the mantle of the Stones
the Police took on the mantle of Zepplin
and Hendrix - well no one revolutionized guitar playing like he did
The U2 of 20 yrs ago sounded more like their idols- the clash. The U2 of today? Well a good analogy is wine- better with age. BUT the mantle of the Beatles? Methinks not.
Never, repeat, never have liked Springsteen's stuff. I do love the Stones. Can you tell where I'm going with this one?  Wink
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Lyrics?  Bowie
Which manifestation? The Thin White Duke? Ziggy Stardust?

and Cat Stevens are my favorites.
You mean Yusuf Islam. He hates that old moniker.
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« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2007, 08:04:06 AM »

Which manifestation? The Thin White Duke? Ziggy Stardust?
You mean Yusuf Islam. He hates that old moniker.

I like most of Bowie except for the stuff he was putting out in the late '80s and early '90s.  My absolute favorites are the "Berlin Trillogy" of Low, Heros, and Lodger.  I perhaps like Station to Station a bit more than Lodger.  Scary Monsters was probably the last of his great albums in my opinion.  My wife, on the other hand, prefers some of the ones that came after.

I know that Cat Stevens does not like his old moniker, but I liked his music much better when he was searching for the Way than when he thought he found it.

Brian Eno is perhaps my favorite of all musicians.  Funny thing is, he is not a musician (by his own admission).  Perhaps that is why I have enjoyed most of his work, including the ambient experiments.  It is amazing what one can do when nobody has taught him that it cannot be done!  I am glad that he and Brian Ferry made up in recent years since I believe that Ferry is one of the best of the modern vocalists.  I can't think of anyone's lyrics that he cannot make sound better.  Not to mention that he is a pretty good songwriter himself.
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« Reply #98 on: August 29, 2007, 08:07:24 AM »


BLASPHEMY! You should be burned at the steak as a heretic!  Cheesy

Well, upon reflection, I should qualify that.  At the time that I wrote my statement I was thinking of skill and innovation.  Now, which would I rather listen to?  That nod would have to go to The Edge probably nine times out of ten (unless Fripp is playing for Bowie or Eno).
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« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2007, 09:40:12 AM »

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You are forgiven, now go in peace.  Wink
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« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2007, 08:17:22 PM »

The U2 of 20 yrs ago sounded more like their idols- the clash. The U2 of today? Well a good analogy is wine- better with age. BUT the mantle of the Beatles? Methinks not.
Never, repeat, never have liked Springsteen's stuff. I do love the Stones. Can you tell where I'm going with this one?  Wink
Well, by their own admission, U2 idolized the Ramones. They certainly were influenced by many punk bands on both continents, though.

Agreed on Springsteen, not with the Stones. Never have cared for anyone who wanted to be "the answer to the Beatles." Sir Paul's lance, methinks, doth cut mightily upon meeting thy flesh, humble peasant Mick.
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« Reply #101 on: August 31, 2007, 11:25:57 PM »

The U2 of 20 yrs ago sounded more like their idols- the clash. The U2 of today? Well a good analogy is wine- better with age. BUT the mantle of the Beatles? Methinks not.
Never, repeat, never have liked Springsteen's stuff. I do love the Stones. Can you tell where I'm going with this one?  Wink

I am not talking about how they sound, but their place in the music pantheon.
The Beatles had this expansive body of music and so does U2
The Stones are the blue collar party rock & roll band and so is Springsteen
Zeplin was the epitome of the rock trio of the 70's/the Police was that for the 80's
Stevie Ray approached Hendrix but no one has really done what Jimi did: maybe by committee - SRV, Eddie Van Halen, Prince, but even then, not quite
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« Reply #102 on: September 01, 2007, 11:56:22 AM »

Zeplin was the epitome of the rock trio of the 70's
so which member of Zep do you eliminate to make them a trio?
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« Reply #103 on: September 01, 2007, 08:15:10 PM »

^ Since John Bonham died, I guess they are now....
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« Reply #104 on: September 01, 2007, 10:20:18 PM »

so which member of Zep do you eliminate to make them a trio?
I am thinking of the instrumentation, Zep had a vocalist plus guit/bass/drums
Police combined vocalist with the bass player - But Sting's ego might be so big that he counts for two people! Wink
instrumentally, both rock trios
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« Reply #105 on: September 05, 2007, 10:14:18 AM »

^ Since John Bonham died, I guess they are now....

I don't know.  When Led Zeppelin was inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Shame...I mean, Fame..., John Paul Jones said a few words "thanking" both Robert Plant and Jimmy Page for remembering to invite him.  Apparently he had been "disinvited".  So maybe Plant and Page considered only John Bonham the third member.

That's really a shame, too since JPJ was and is the most musically talented of the four of them.  He was not only versatile in the number of instruments he played but he also arranged most of the songs into the forms heard on the albums, though he was never given much, if any, song writing credits.  He's also a pivotal figure in the history of bass players.  I'd rank him up there along with Jack Bruce, Geddy Lee, Cliff Burton, Steve Harris and Geezer Butler.  Just MHO.
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