Elisha, et al - no, I'm not AWRV... though I support their work, and commune in their parishes. Yes, I am in ROCOR's Western Rite. Am I Antiochian? Yes - still in good standing, commune there, sometimes protopsaltai, still get Al Kalimat/The WORD - it is where I was chrismated (under direction from my spiritual father in ROCOR WRITE.) For that matter - I've found out that my name is on lists of five different jurisdictions as 'members' of missions or parishes. (You know how we Orthodox like to talk.) So, yes - Antiochian, yes ROCOR, yes Western Rite, but no - not AWRV.
Aristokles - thanks for holding back the temptation to make such a statement. Things are only funny if there is truth to them, and there is *No Truth* whatsover in an idea like 'ACCC'. For that matter - I've never even been in a country club (though I've applied to work at a few - and never got called back, of course.)
You accused me of being anonymous so I wanted to be upfront about who I am and I wanted you to know what churches I have been affliated with so you could see I am not trying to hide anything. ... I googled your name and discovered you are using your middle name as your moniker.
Actually, I'd suggest you remove your personal information if at all possible from the web - again, I work in Law Enforcement. Yes, I use my baptismal name as a middle name when I sign in full, but I also normally go by that 'Middle Name'. And yes, I'm about the only person in the English speaking world who goes by that name - it has never been 'anonymous'. My own comments about your anonymity were not to prompt 'disclosure' on your part, but to illustrate that I find your protests to be naive. I personally know (and am friends with) the Lebanese Orthodox who claim both mafia connections, and admit to mafia-like behavior. They know me - again, I don't know you in person. Part of that was also to illustrate that you've made a habit out of reacting to my posts rather than responding to them.
You were the one who brought up the point about a Lebanese Mafia in Detroit so you weren't just using the word as a euphemism.
And again - you are confusing two separate arguments: that there are Lebanese Orthodox mafia, and (the quite seperate issue) that the Antiochian Archdiocese, like some/many other Orthodox and Catholic jurisdictions, operates much like a mafia.
You believe there is a real mafia because of what one archdeacon shared with you. Just read what you wrote below:
And whether you want to admit to it or not....if you asked the average American what words they associate with the word mafia, the first words most would come up with would be criminals, hit man, gangsters.
No - that's all your personal interpretation. Most converts actually like the romanticism and exoticism that 'mafia' entails - its why the 'I've got family in the mafia' thing is so common. It helps people feel special, part of something, etc.
And when you wrote this paragraph it finally became clear to me how you view ethnic Orthodox:
No - I was describing the situation from other peoples perspective. You have illustrated, however, that you will attempt to attribute evil to me no matter what I do write. So, you're just flat wrong.
I was aware of this scandal but Met. PHILIP handled it very quickly and he did a great job of taking the bishop out of office and making him deal with the consequences of his crime. Every church, regardless of the denomination has had scandals with sexual predators. My point is all types of scandals can be found in ALL churches not because of dysfunctional ethnicity as you seem to imply but because of fallen human nature. In other words, these scandals are not unique to Orthodoxy. Anyone who keeps up with the latest news knows this to be true.
I agree with all of the above, because - I wrote it first elsewhere. Again - you are transfering your 'boogeyman' onto me in an attempt to demonize me, which is absurd - because you believe *exactly* the same as I do (with one exception, it seems, I don't discount one jurisdiction or ethnic group from fallability.) That - and the wrong way to handle scandals (and invite them) is to pretend they won't happen again.