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« on: May 17, 2007, 07:59:44 PM » |
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With the holy relics that we have protected, it is more than likely that we have the DNA of Christ. The state of science today shows the inevitablitity of cloning humans tomorrow. What will happen if the orthodox contributes DNA that belongs to Christ to this scientific progress. Would the result be significant to our orthodox faith? Is it a sin to even think such thoughts? If the DNA was computerized and cloning became commodity, what would happen if a corporation profited by selling christ children to willing parents?
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2007, 01:43:58 AM » |
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With the holy relics that we have protected, it is more than likely that we have the DNA of Christ.
What relics would you be talking about? Since Christ is risen from the dead and has ascended to the heavens, what relics of His body could He have left behind? The Shroud of Turin (assuming that this is indeed the burial cloth of Christ as many people believe)? Fragments of the true Cross? I believe the only relics we could possible find would be those items that we can confirm Christ touched in some physical way. Would any of these items still have enough intact DNA to even produce a clone? |
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2007, 09:47:10 AM » |
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Why wait for cloning technology? Christ is made present in every chalice on every Holy Table in every Orthodox Church at every Divine Liturgy.  |
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2007, 09:49:05 AM » |
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Leontius of Byzantium, not a Church Father, but nevertheless influential in Christology, posited that Christ took the flesh of all humanity. But he took this deified humanity and wrapped it in his divinity--so without a) the divinity and b) the deified nature of the flesh, you would only get a man that had the same physical features. Clones do not have the same exact personality as the one from whom they are cloned, necessarily. Furthermore, maybe all the DNA ascended with him Interesting speculation though. |
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2007, 10:05:12 AM » |
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Clones do not have the same exact personality as the one from whom they are cloned, necessarily.
No indeed, as can be seen by the natural clones that already exist: Identical Twins. They may look like, but all the ones I've known are very different people. Experiences and situations affect people, not just the genes. Ebor |
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2007, 03:21:21 PM » |
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Is the soul of a human being created at conception by an act of God, or is it a natural creation, conceived from the beginning of creation? We do believe that part of identity is soul, which is separated from body at death, and that the heart is partly spiritual and the center of identity. So he would not be the same person by human nature alone.
I expect that one day people will be paying for the use of DNA of famous people to combine into their offspring. It will be a new genocide of sorts.
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2007, 03:53:24 PM » |
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Anastasios and Ebor nailed it, I believe. Even if it were possible to find Christ's DNA and make His clone, it would not be the same Person - just like one identical twin is not the same person as another identical twin. --George
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