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« on: February 14, 2007, 10:46:34 AM »

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At a meeting of the Blue Mountains Greek Community Association last night, the discussion came up again about establishing an Orthodox Parish here in the Blue Mountains, as we only have a Monastery, and therefore cannot have our Christenings, Baptisms, Funerals, etc up here.
The main problem is that there are not enough Greek families to support a Greek Orthodox Church.
Then I piped up, and said: "What if it was an English Speaking Parish? Couldn't we then get support from Orthodox Residents of the Blue Mountains who are not Greek?" I could hardly believe that I was saying it! I must have been speaking in tongues! Wink
The proposal was passed, and today we submitted an ad in the local paper requesting expressions of interest, and posted one on The Orthodox Billabong.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 10:55:17 AM »

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At a meeting of the Blue Mountains Greek Community Association last night, the discussion came up again about establishing an Orthodox Parish here in the Blue Mountains, as we only have a Monastery, and therefore cannot have our Christenings, Baptisms, Funerals, etc up here.
The main problem is that there are not enough Greek families to support a Greek Orthodox Church.
Then I piped up, and said: "What if it was an English Speaking Parish? Couldn't we then get support from Orthodox Residents of the Blue Mountains who are not Greek?" I could hardly believe that I was saying it! I must have been speaking in tongues! Wink
The proposal was passed, and today we submitted an ad in the local paper requesting expressions of interest, and posted one on The Orthodox Billabong.

Bravo, good sir.

Hopefully you guys do keep what I consider to be the true hallmarks of real Greek culture: hospitality to all, utter devotion to faith and family, and great cooking!
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 11:33:23 AM »

Wonderful news indeed!
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 12:06:18 PM »

Congratulations, ozgeorge. May it be blessed.

Just FYI: There are currently two Greek Orthodox Missions in the Metropolis of Detroit. Both are Pan-Orthodox in character and English-speaking. Perhaps you could talk to them about how they balance such things with their strong relationship with and sponsorship by the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese.

One of the missions doesn't have a permanent priest yet (nor a Web site), but here's an article about their Greek Festival that includes some info about the Church: http://www.gtherald.com/herald/2005/jul/27greek.htm

The other mission also includes a restaurant/bookstore ministry:

Parish Web site:
http://www.stjohn.tn.goarch.org/

Restaurant/Bookstore:
http://www.alektorbooks.com/
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 12:28:37 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 02:08:16 PM »

From the site "Expressions of interest are being sought from those who would be interested in establishing an Orthodox Mission to provide English Liturgies to Residents and Visitors to the Blue Mountains of NSW"

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2007, 02:31:11 PM »

From the site "Expressions of interest are being sought from those who would be interested in establishing an Orthodox Mission to provide English Liturgies to Residents and Visitors to the Blue Mountains of NSW"

Pictures of mountains are Not Safe for Work in Australia now?  Shocked

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

"New South Wales"

(since I don't think the other NSW I know could apply at all "Naval Special Warfare" Or Naval Surface Weapons) Ah, how things get new meanings attached.

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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 02:33:33 PM »

Best Wishes on getting the services, George!

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 03:17:20 PM »

"What if it was an English Speaking Parish? Couldn't we then get support from Orthodox Residents of the Blue Mountains who are not Greek?" I could hardly believe that I was saying it! I must have been speaking in tongues! Wink
Sounds like the work of the Holy Spirit to me.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 05:10:39 PM »

May God Bless the work of His Church.

We all know that His Church is not just for Greek but is for all who believe and seek His love and eternal salvation. The Greek Church understands this of course. I believe that the Greek Church is big enough and blessed enough to embrace all nations, langauges and peoples within her. As is the whole Orthodox Church.

Language and culture is not going to get any of us to heaven. But Christ assured us that the efforts we make that turns a person to Him and His salvation will absolve a multitude of sins.

I would rather pray in the liturgy in English every Sunday in the hopes that someone (a stranger) will  enter the Church and hears the true worship of God for the first time and hear it in a language he can understand and at once believes and becomes baptised, a new child of God than have the same person enter the Church and hear the liturgy (the true ancient worship of Gods people) but can not understand what he is hearing and leaves the Church to not return.

The latter to me is a diservice to God and His Church on earth.

I would rather sacrifice my whole culture and langauge; even fall out of use from my nation to be adopted and used by another nation if this would increase the work of the Church and save souls for Christ.

What won't we Give for our Lord?

It is better serve God than to embrace and protect heritage and culture.

If I was given a clear choice to take heaven and etrenity over heritage and culture I would take heaven and eternity any day.

Seems fitting that the Church starts with Pentacost where the Holy Spirit comes upon the Church in all languages. Not just Greek and Geeze (Ethiopic) or Russian or Slavic. ALL languages. It seems that the bible establishes a multi-lingual Church which is not imprisoned within the confines of the Ethiopian or Greek for example or other nationalistic languages and cultures.

This is what is wrong with Islam (for starters).

I was so happy to hear this happened.

May God keep us all for Himself. And may we all be worthy of such.

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The first liturgy chanted in America in the Ethiopian Church was ALL English (with some Geeze in key points to connect the all English speaking converts to the sound of the langauge). There were virtually NO Ethiopian nationals (except mission clergy) in the USA when the Church first arrived. It was a mission to America. The mission arrived in 1949. The Church was formally established in 1959.

Most of the records, photos, papers and extensive archives are held by the Arthur Schoemberg Center for African Culture in New York City, Howard University in Washington DC, and Florida A and M. There are some extensive private collections of artifacts and papers held in private collections around the country.


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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2007, 07:55:03 PM »

Just FYI: There are currently two Greek Orthodox Missions in the Metropolis of Detroit. Both are Pan-Orthodox in character and English-speaking.
Thanks for the info pensateomnia!
I'll take them to the next meeting. You know what Greeks are like- an idea is more acceptable if it's been done before!
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 08:07:25 PM »

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That's actually a photograph of "The Three Sisters" in Katoomba. It's an Aboriginal Sacred Site. Their names are "Meehni", "Wimlah", and "Gunnedoo" based on the Aboriginal Dreamtime Legend about their origin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sisters_(Australia)
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2007, 01:40:37 AM »

Excellent news, George! May Jesus bless the new beginning! You initiated a wonderful project. Great!
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2007, 02:54:18 PM »

Good stuff George!

As your situation highlights, opening up to vernacularization isn't simply idealism, but is downright practical.  Your community's situation is definately a strong example of one form of this practicality.

I mean, why should "the Russians" alone have the representation of many of their "diaspora" dependent/legacy communities as being "semi inculturated"?  Why can't someone be under obedience to the Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarch, and also such?  Down with the image of being "Greek embassies", and more with being "synodally tied to the See of Constantinople, descending from the Hellenic Christian tradition".
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2007, 01:02:52 PM »

LOL Cheesy
That's actually a photograph of "The Three Sisters" in Katoomba. It's an Aboriginal Sacred Site. Their names are "Meehni", "Wimlah", and "Gunnedoo" based on the Aboriginal Dreamtime Legend about their origin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sisters_(Australia)

Beautiful country you have there.

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2007, 12:31:11 AM »

ozgeorge, how close are the Blue Mountains to Sutton Forest?  I have relatives there.
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