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« on: February 11, 2007, 12:37:53 AM »
"O Cross of Christ, all-holy, thrice-blessed, and life-giving, instrument of the mystical rites of Zion, the holy Altar for the service of our Great Archpriest, the blessing - the weapon - the strength of priests, our pride, our consolation, the light in our hearts, our mind, and our steps"
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2007, 09:27:19 PM »
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2007, 12:45:12 PM »
I guess my attempt to stir a conversation in Klingon has failed. 

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"O Cross of Christ, all-holy, thrice-blessed, and life-giving, instrument of the mystical rites of Zion, the holy Altar for the service of our Great Archpriest, the blessing - the weapon - the strength of priests, our pride, our consolation, the light in our hearts, our mind, and our steps"
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2007, 09:42:23 PM »
I'm sorry.  I misunderstood and thought that you were trying to get people working on translating things into Klingon. My mistake

(and it's very un-Klingon I suspect to say "I'm sorry".  ;D

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2007, 10:23:20 PM »
I'm sorry.  I misunderstood and thought that you were trying to get people working on translating things into Klingon. My mistake

(and it's very un-Klingon I suspect to say "I'm sorry".  ;D

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I was acutally shocked to see that the word "love" was in the Klingon dictionary.... I expected to see mate, copulate, et al., but not "love."
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2007, 12:55:43 PM »
I was acutally shocked to see that the word "love" was in the Klingon dictionary.... I expected to see mate, copulate, et al., but not "love."

Maybe for things like "I love my new Bat'leth"  I'd love to have a Bird of Prey for my birthday"  something like that.

 ;D

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2007, 01:24:57 PM »
Maybe for things like "I love my new Bat'leth"  I'd love to have a Bird of Prey for my birthday"  something like that.

 ;D

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I had completely forgotten about options like that!
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2007, 11:47:37 PM »
Cleveland,

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2007, 09:35:13 AM »
Maybe for things like "I love my new Bat'leth"  I'd love to have a Bird of Prey for my birthday"  something like that.

ROFLMAO!!!!!

or maybe "I love to eat tribbles for breakfast"

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2007, 12:00:39 PM »
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I don't know why I can't translate it!!!!
"O Cross of Christ, all-holy, thrice-blessed, and life-giving, instrument of the mystical rites of Zion, the holy Altar for the service of our Great Archpriest, the blessing - the weapon - the strength of priests, our pride, our consolation, the light in our hearts, our mind, and our steps"
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2008, 01:49:48 PM »
How would one say "Christ is risen" in Klingon?

As best as I'm aware, there is:
a) no word for either Christ or anoint/ed.
b) no word for rise or awake.

So one could not even say, "The Anointed has awoken from the dead" or some other such similar saying.

Any ideas?
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2008, 02:06:32 PM »
How would one say "Christ is risen" in Klingon?

As best as I'm aware, there is:
a) no word for either Christ or anoint/ed.
b) no word for rise or awake.

So one could not even say, "The Anointed has awoken from the dead" or some other such similar saying.

Any ideas?

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2008, 02:44:47 PM »
Bah ... Klingon... what about Go'auld?
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2008, 02:49:25 PM »
Bah ... Klingon... what about Go'auld?

I think that was the sound of the scifi bar hitting the ground. :laugh:
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2008, 02:51:02 PM »
^Probably plummeting through the earth and coming out on the other side, really.   :laugh: 
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2008, 11:53:29 AM »
Bah ... Klingon... what about Go'auld?

 :D :D

Our oldest has discovered "Stargate" and is working his way through them on DVD.  He'd like this idea, I think.

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2008, 03:17:43 PM »
I don't know why I can't translate it!!!!

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2008, 04:31:33 PM »
I realize that the topic is meant to be whimsical except that there was no concept of Christianity on Star Trek; hence, no concept of Christ; hence, nothing that could be communicated from Human language to Klingon.   ;)
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2008, 01:35:37 AM »
^^^^

I disagree.
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2008, 02:33:55 PM »
I realize that the topic is meant to be whimsical except that there was no concept of Christianity on Star Trek; hence, no concept of Christ; hence, nothing that could be communicated from Human language to Klingon.   ;)
This does not make any sense at all. Apparently, there are also difficulties in translating from SolEX language to Human language.
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2008, 06:37:57 PM »
This does not make any sense at all. Apparently, there are also difficulties in translating from SolEX language to Human language.

I tried translating the quote to Klingon and there was only one translatable word, "not."

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2008, 09:51:34 PM »
I realize that the topic is meant to be whimsical except that there was no concept of Christianity on Star Trek; hence, no concept of Christ; hence, nothing that could be communicated from Human language to Klingon.   ;)

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2008, 10:13:11 PM »
^ - one must have used a better Klingon dictionary than the one found online.   :)

For grins, was that my quote translated into Klingon?

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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2008, 09:44:19 AM »
^ - one must have used a better Klingon dictionary than the one found online.   :)

For grins, was that my quote translated into Klingon?

It was actually a response to your statement showing that there is a concept of Christ in Klingon. The link to the phrase book is at the bottom.


joH'a' = big lord (used for God)

vavma' QI'tu'Daq quvjaj ponglIj... = Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name...

mIghtaHghachvo' yImej 'ej yIQaQ! roj yInej 'ej yItlha' =  Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. Psalm 34:14

rejmorgh SoHchugh vaj yInlIj ghur'a'? = Will all your worries add a single moment to your life? Mt.6.27

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2008, 02:38:52 PM »
I realize that the topic is meant to be whimsical except that there was no concept of Christianity on Star Trek; hence, no concept of Christ; hence, nothing that could be communicated from Human language to Klingon.   ;)

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Have you considered the Klingon figure Kahless?

(For some info. please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahless)

For a start, his very name is the Arabic word for "Salvation"!

Kahless pursued Morath (the evil one- his wicked brother) to the edge of the sea where they strove 12 days and 12 nights.

Kahless held his breath under water for three days and three nights.

Kahless went to the Underworld where he helped his father (physical ancestor) remember his body and return to the world of the living.

Kahless defeated armies alone.

Kahless slew the tyrant Molor was a sword of supernatural origin.

With that same sword Kahless skinned the serpent of Xol and conquered the Fek'Ihri.

Another tale says Molor condemned Kahless to death. The night before he went out to farewell the moon and stars as he would not see them in the Netherworld. Kahless submitted to death the next day.

It seems Kahless entered there willing to rescue his brother from the Barge of the Dead and deliver him to Sto-Vo-Kor (Klingon word for Heaven).

Kahless returned from the dead still bearing a wound.

The romance of Kahless and his wife Lukara is said to be the greatest of all.

Then there's the story of promise:
When Kahless united the people and gave them the laws of honor, he saw that his work was done. So one night he gathered his belongings and went to the edge of the city to say good-bye. The people wept, they did not want him to go. And Kahless said, "You are Klingons. You need no one but yourselves. I will go now, to Sto-Vo-Kor. But I promise one day I will return." Then Kahless pointed to a star in the sky and said, "Look for me there, on that point of light."

Do I need to go on or can you see the similarities with our Lord?
Admittedly there is some difference but we could compare this to different Flood stories across the earth.

Also there is a Klingon Language Version of the World English Bible (albeit rather poor as it only translates the most common words and fails to use correct Klingon grammar). As it's creators note though, "It is not properly a translation, but a demonstration of what a tlhIngan Hol (Klingon Language) Bible would look like." (Perhaps it should say "...could look like.") You can see Psalm 16 here: http://crosswire.org/study/parallelstudy.jsp

Note: The KLV of the WEB uses the word "risen" as it only translates frequently used words.

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Back to the main topic:

What do people think of this suggestion?:

Krist peplu'ta'! taHbej peplu'ta'!

(Proposed by Douglas/Dmitri Mosier. Located here:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/riggs/XB-Many.html)

Personally I think it was well intentioned but mistaken for the following reasons:

1) The word pep means raise whereas Hu' means rise. The latter is the root of the word risen.
2) The suffix lu' indicates an indefinite subject. But in this case the subject is definite. The subject is Christ. Regardless of whether one says that Christ caused Himself to rise or all Three Persons of the Holy Trinity caused Christ to rise there is no need for a suffix. (Were Christ speaking about Himself the suffix egh would be used.)
3) Perhaps I'm uninformed but I don't see how taH can be used in the way it is ??? The only use I have been able to find for it anywhere is as a suffix meaning continuous.

Veniamin's suggestion of:

Hu'ta' QrISt! Hu'bejta'!

would translate literally to English as:

Rise-He-did-it Christ! Rise-certainly-He-did-it!

and so could be most closely rendered something like:

Christ has done rising! Rising certainly is done!

or more logically as:

Christ did rise! Certainly, He rose!

This echos the classical Klingon way of using imperfect form of a verb rather than the past participle. (Somebody check if this is the case for me please as my experience is limitted. Thank you.)

Of course there is no reason why it could not be translated as:

Christ is risen! Certainly, He is risen!

Though this may fail to have the same force as the Klingon.

An important note may be that the Klingon word for certainly is even more powerful than the English and could better be conveyed by the word undoubtedly so perhaps it is best read as:

Christ rose! Undoubtedly, He rose!

This keeps it brief too however personally I prefer the force of "Christ did rise!" as mentioned above.

I'll email this idea to the fellow who runs that site.
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Notes:
Obviously the word "Christ" has been transliterated, somewhat rather like a name as is appropriate, as has been done across many languages so this should surprise noone. The only debate is how to spell "Christ" in Klingon.
As with any translation, the exact wording is somewhat subject to the reader's interpretation.

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2008, 01:41:00 AM »
Where is my Bloodwine?!

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Qoy qeylIs puqloD
Qoy puqbe'pu'
yoHbogh malthbogh je' SuvwI'
Sey'moHchu' may' 'Iw
maSuv manong 'ej maHoHchu'
nI'be'yInmaj 'ach wovqu'!

batlh maH ghbej'jyoqIjDaq
vavpu'ma' DImuvpa'reH maSuvtaH
Qu' DamevQo' maSuvtaH, ma'ov

Hear! Sons of Kahless
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill.
Our lives burn short and bright.
Then we die with honor and join our
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2008, 08:48:57 AM »
Where is my Bloodwine?!

I believe you may find this in the Chalice in the House of the Lord.

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Re: Klingon
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2015, 03:05:53 PM »
Yeah, I know, dead thread was dead...

The thread has so much win! I never thought to see so much thought put into comparisons between Klingon mythology and Christian religion, nor had I ever expected to see someone detailing the particular problems of a Klingon translation of Christ is risen.

I realize that the topic is meant to be whimsical except that there was no concept of Christianity on Star Trek; hence, no concept of Christ; hence, nothing that could be communicated from Human language to Klingon.   ;)

IIRC in ToS the crew visited a planet that had similarities with our history (maybe ancient Rome?) anyway, at the end of the episode I thought I remembered Kirk going on about how they have so much more history to go through and mentions some things, such as the birth of Christ. It's been years since I've seen that episode (or any ToS episode), so I could very well be wrong.
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2015, 12:50:56 AM »
Back to the main topic:

What do people think of this suggestion?:

Krist peplu'ta'! taHbej peplu'ta'!

(Proposed by Douglas/Dmitri Mosier. Located here:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/riggs/XB-Many.html)

This is what we used in seminary.
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2015, 08:04:14 PM »
Back to the main topic:

What do people think of this suggestion?:

Krist peplu'ta'! taHbej peplu'ta'!

(Proposed by Douglas/Dmitri Mosier. Located here:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/riggs/XB-Many.html)

This is what we used in seminary.

 ???
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2015, 12:13:22 AM »
Back to the main topic:

What do people think of this suggestion?:

Krist peplu'ta'! taHbej peplu'ta'!

(Proposed by Douglas/Dmitri Mosier. Located here:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/riggs/XB-Many.html)

This is what we used in seminary.
:laugh:

Such things I sure would not be permitted at a real seminary like St. Tikons!  ;)
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2015, 02:37:39 AM »
Back to the main topic:

What do people think of this suggestion?:

Krist peplu'ta'! taHbej peplu'ta'!

(Proposed by Douglas/Dmitri Mosier. Located here:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/riggs/XB-Many.html)

This is what we used in seminary.

 ???

I didn't say it was used in the chapel.  ;)
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2015, 02:38:14 AM »
Back to the main topic:

What do people think of this suggestion?:

Krist peplu'ta'! taHbej peplu'ta'!

(Proposed by Douglas/Dmitri Mosier. Located here:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/riggs/XB-Many.html)

This is what we used in seminary.
:laugh:

Such things I sure would not be permitted at a real seminary like St. Tikons!  ;)

If only you knew what is permitted.  :P
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Re: Klingon
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2015, 02:56:50 AM »
I realize that the topic is meant to be whimsical except that there was no concept of Christianity on Star Trek; hence, no concept of Christ; hence, nothing that could be communicated from Human language to Klingon.   ;)

Yeah there is. All of Earth history is the same as real history up to the late 20th Century and there's been a lot of Biblical references in various episodes.