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What language(s) can you speak/write in (does not need to be fluent)?

English
187 (31.9%)
Greek
49 (8.4%)
A Slavic Language
51 (8.7%)
Romanian
11 (1.9%)
Spanish/Spanish Derivitive
56 (9.6%)
Romance (Italian, French, etc)
66 (11.3%)
German/Germanic
49 (8.4%)
Swahili/African
4 (0.7%)
Arabic
24 (4.1%)
Coptic
7 (1.2%)
Klingon/Binary/Other Artificial Language
20 (3.4%)
Not listed.  Boo!
62 (10.6%)

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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #225 on: May 17, 2018, 02:27:39 AM »
Huh. Interesting. I wonder if using it too much cuts down on your ability to recognize subtle ironies, though lol.
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #226 on: May 17, 2018, 10:39:52 AM »
I speak Piglatin.  ::)

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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #227 on: May 19, 2018, 03:12:06 PM »
What do you think of this, Rapha?
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #228 on: May 19, 2018, 03:48:33 PM »
What do you think of this, Rapha?
Bad list. Vorstellung is so simple. Bref and on can be very easily translated, it just won't be an 100% dynamic translation. Hellhörig is very singular, but it doesn't hold a complex concept, so it can be paraphrased. Pan(i) is just classic T-V distinction, which is usually ignored in translating to English. It's funny to know, however, that tertulia (in Portuguese, tertúlia) is such an exclusive Iberian concept.
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #229 on: May 19, 2018, 04:02:12 PM »
Yeah, I would just render Pan(i) as "sir/ma'am" or "m'lord/lady."

The confusion over Vorstellung makes me think of other German etymologies like "verstehen" or "es gibt" (I feel like Heidegger's Existentialism could only really have been concocted by a German speaker lol), but those aren't really translation issues per se.

Nunch'i would probably best be rendered as "reading the room" or "empathizing" or something.

A santiguadora sounds to me like the Medieval British idea of the Bedesman (with a bit of influence from generalized "witch woman" practices). But I guess that wouldn't be any clearer to the average reader.

What bothers me most about the article is that these words are from Man Booker nominees, but maybe they were just throwing something out there half-heartedly when they were busy doing a million other things at the same time. I don't know.



So what would be your picks for really hard to translate words?
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #230 on: May 19, 2018, 04:22:59 PM »
Yeah, I would just render Pan(i) as "sir/ma'am" or "m'lord/lady."
Sometimes it's just "you". T-V distinction is an interesting thing in Portuguese. Europeans and Africans have a very simply T-V distinction in singular ("tu"/"você"), but none in plural (only "você"), but some dialects in northern Portugal preserved it for plural ("vós"/"você"). Many Brazilian dialects loss "tu", and the ones that kept it, kept it as an extremely informal pronoun (not just a T pronoun, but below that). Therefore, as soon as formal Brazilian Portuguese started to deviate from formal European Portuguese as a standard, we snipped "tu" from formal language. Eventually we started needing a V pronoun for very formal situations and started using "o senhor/a senhora/os senhores/as senhoras". This sounds ridiculously formal outside Brazil, but now we have a singular and plural V pronoun, but with usage less restrict than V pronouns in most languages.

For that matter, many Brazilian dialects (including that of Rio) have a threeway distinction. We alternate between "tu" and "você" (or most usually the contraction "cê") among close family and friends (or when we want to be really rude), we use "você" (with less frequency for "cê") consistently with people we don't know, and "o/a(s) senhor(e/a)(s)" for bosses, elders, politicians, judges, etc.

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The confusion over Vorstellung makes me think of other German etymologies like "verstehen" or "es gibt" (I feel like Heidegger's Existentialism could only really have been concocted by a German speaker lol), but those aren't really translation issues per se.
Yeah, Heidegger is particularly crafty for that matter.

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A santiguadora sounds to me like the Medieval British idea of the Bedesman (with a bit of influence from generalized "witch woman" practices). But I guess that wouldn't be any clearer to the average reader.
I would translate it to Portuguese as benzedeira, which is a similar office. They're still pretty strong in some regions, and Roman Catholic hierarchy often not only tolerates, but enforces their job. They're more like mystic healers than witches, though, some being pious Roman Catholics. My ex, who was born in the outskirts of a 3k-people town, was delivered by a benzedeira.

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So what would be your picks for really hard to translate words?
"Saudade" is often described as an extremely difficult concept to convey outside Portuguese language, but its overall meaning can usually be conveyed by "missing/longing/nostalgia". I like "cafuné", which means fondling the top of the head. "Endomingado" isn't such a common word, but I like how it may mean either "dressed up as for Sunday mass" or "depressed because it's Sunday".

From the top of my head, I recall tingo, a Rapa Nui verb meaning borrowing stuff until nothing is left. There's a book about untranslatable word with this title. There's some African language with a word for someone who always forgives two faults, but never three, and also a word in some Eskimo-Aleut language meaning constantly looking at the door to see if there are any guests. But I can't recall either.
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #231 on: May 19, 2018, 06:37:05 PM »
I speak Piglatin.  ::)
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #232 on: July 23, 2018, 09:51:27 AM »
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #233 on: July 23, 2018, 09:55:56 AM »
Starting my journey into learning Spanish!
Buena suerte ("good luck").

It's quite easy language.
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #234 on: July 23, 2018, 12:51:05 PM »
Starting my journey into learning Spanish!
Llámame si quieras charlar, amo practicar mi español. Call me if you want to chat, I love practicing my Spanish.

I find the language extremely easy too, but since it's just bastardised Portuguese, it's easier for us.
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #235 on: July 23, 2018, 02:30:11 PM »
Starting my journey into learning Spanish!
Buena suerte ("good luck").

It's quite easy language.

I found it easy as well, but I already had several years of French and Latin before then, so hardly a typical case.
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #236 on: July 23, 2018, 02:34:57 PM »
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #237 on: July 23, 2018, 02:51:38 PM »
I can offer Bavarian, a German dialect which can be so strong as to be unintelligible by standard German speakers. Unfortunately, most of the youth no longer can speak it properly.
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #238 on: July 23, 2018, 03:00:07 PM »
Starting my journey into learning Spanish!
Llámame si quieras charlar, amo practicar mi español. Call me if you want to chat, I love practicing my Spanish.

I find the language extremely easy too, but since it's just bastardised Portuguese, it's easier for us.

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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #239 on: July 23, 2018, 03:07:00 PM »
I can offer Bavarian, a German dialect which can be so strong as to be unintelligible by standard German speakers. Unfortunately, most of the youth no longer can speak it properly.
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I love Austro-Bavarian, it's my favourite German dialect! Very sad to hear from you that it has disappeared among youth.  :( Are you aware if it's the same situation on Austria or the Bavarian countryside...? I'm even sadder by the loss of Low German, which is so unique and has such a long tradition.

I can only offer fake Bavarian, like barely pronouncing "b/d/g", or putting a lot of "a" on words.
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #240 on: July 23, 2018, 03:11:21 PM »


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So what would be your picks for really hard to translate words?
"Saudade" is often described as an extremely difficult concept to convey outside Portuguese language, but its overall meaning can usually be conveyed by "missing/longing/nostalgia". I like "cafuné", which means fondling the top of the head. "Endomingado" isn't such a common word, but I like how it may mean either "dressed up as for Sunday mass" or "depressed because it's Sunday".



I think Saudade can also be easily translated as wistful.....'having or showing a feeling of vague or regretful longing'


for me a better 'untranslatable' thing is dar um jeito.....which has way more subtleties than the dictionary allows for....
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #241 on: July 23, 2018, 03:27:12 PM »
I can offer Bavarian, a German dialect which can be so strong as to be unintelligible by standard German speakers. Unfortunately, most of the youth no longer can speak it properly.
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I love Austro-Bavarian, it's my favourite German dialect! Very sad to hear from you that it has disappeared among youth.  :( Are you aware if it's the same situation on Austria or the Bavarian countryside...? I'm even sadder by the loss of Low German, which is so unique and has such a long tradition.

I can only offer fake Bavarian, like barely pronouncing "b/d/g", or putting a lot of "a" on words.
It is somewhat better in Austria and rural Bavaria, still very much in decline.
I can speak it really well, I think, but when I talk to my grandfather, I realize how much I have been influenced by English and standard German.
I'd love to hear you speak fake Bavarian :D
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #242 on: July 23, 2018, 03:58:07 PM »
for me a better 'untranslatable' thing is dar um jeito.....which has way more subtleties than the dictionary allows for....
Never thought about that, but indeed.

I'd love to hear you speak fake Bavarian :D
Wia keat's, freind? (how are you, friend? in fake Bavarian)
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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #243 on: July 23, 2018, 04:01:45 PM »
Ye Olde English

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Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
« Reply #244 on: July 23, 2018, 04:22:52 PM »
for me a better 'untranslatable' thing is dar um jeito.....which has way more subtleties than the dictionary allows for....
Never thought about that, but indeed.

I'd love to hear you speak fake Bavarian :D
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