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Metropolitan Kallistos of Diokleia - Honourary Doctorate
« on: June 21, 2015, 12:46:40 PM »
Metropolitan of Diokleia Kallistos Ware, addresses the academic staff and students of the School of Theology of the Aristotelian Uni of Thessalonika on the occasion of him accepting an honourary doctorate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVgJzZCjiqE

I'm used of listening to him speaking in English, he speaks Greek rarely, I must say his Greek is astonishing.
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2015, 12:55:36 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2015, 02:35:54 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.


I'm used of listening to him speaking in English, he speaks Greek rarely, I must say his Greek is astonishing.

Were these remarks prepared for him by another?  I didnt know he was a Greek speaker.
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2015, 02:40:08 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.
How can you say that?  He is a respected scholar and a hierarch of the EP?  How is his thoelogy differnt from that of the Patriarch of Constantinople?

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2015, 02:45:20 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.
How can you say that?  He is a respected scholar and a hierarch of the EP?  How is his thoelogy differnt from that of the Patriarch of Constantinople?

Who said Patriarch is better than him?

Saint Photius is respected scholar, metropolitan Kalitos is respected ecumenist.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2015, 04:01:36 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.

On what basis?
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2015, 04:04:29 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.

On what basis?

As an Oxford don Met. Kallistos has a bit of an affected RP accent. Nothing out of the ordinary for his environments. I rather like it.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2015, 04:29:27 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.

On what basis?

Ive heard too many speeches where it appears that Met. Kallistos speaks only to speak so he can hear himself. An opinion.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2015, 04:39:23 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.

On what basis?

Ive heard too many speeches where it appears that Met. Kallistos speaks only to speak so he can hear himself. An opinion.

So what? People pay him to speak. It's not like he forces open the doors and rushes the stage of those conferences. Thousands, if not millions of people have been introduced to the Church because of the work he's done.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2015, 04:50:21 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.

On what basis?

Ive heard too many speeches where it appears that Met. Kallistos speaks only to speak so he can hear himself. An opinion.

So what? People pay him to speak. It's not like he forces open the doors and rushes the stage of those conferences. Thousands, if not millions of people have been introduced to the Church because of the work he's done.

Folks like him will be the reason when schism appears in the Orthodox Church. I don't plan to be in communion with Rome or to compromise with any other heterodox. He is raping Orthodox Church teaching on the dignity of the Orthodox Church. He thinks we are stupid to believe Vatican can convert, the only one who can convert is him and other ecumenists.
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2015, 04:51:04 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.

On what basis?

Ive heard too many speeches where it appears that Met. Kallistos speaks only to speak so he can hear himself. An opinion.

So what? People pay him to speak. It's not like he forces open the doors and rushes the stage of those conferences. Thousands, if not millions of people have been introduced to the Church because of the work he's done.

Folks like him will be the reason when schism appears in the Orthodox Church. I don't plan to be in communion with Rome or to compromise with any other heterodox. He is raping Orthodox Church teaching on the dignity of the Orthodox Church. He thinks we are stupid to believe Vatican can convert, the only one who can convert is him and other ecumenists.

Proof.
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2015, 04:55:27 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.

On what basis?

Ive heard too many speeches where it appears that Met. Kallistos speaks only to speak so he can hear himself. An opinion.

So what? People pay him to speak. It's not like he forces open the doors and rushes the stage of those conferences. Thousands, if not millions of people have been introduced to the Church because of the work he's done.

Folks like him will be the reason when schism appears in the Orthodox Church. I don't plan to be in communion with Rome or to compromise with any other heterodox. He is raping Orthodox Church teaching on the dignity of the Orthodox Church. He thinks we are stupid to believe Vatican can convert, the only one who can convert is him and other ecumenists.

Proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWBeOBOFAUA

This is repulsing.
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2015, 05:07:00 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.

On what basis?

Ive heard too many speeches where it appears that Met. Kallistos speaks only to speak so he can hear himself. An opinion.

So what? People pay him to speak. It's not like he forces open the doors and rushes the stage of those conferences. Thousands, if not millions of people have been introduced to the Church because of the work he's done.

Folks like him will be the reason when schism appears in the Orthodox Church. I don't plan to be in communion with Rome or to compromise with any other heterodox. He is raping Orthodox Church teaching on the dignity of the Orthodox Church. He thinks we are stupid to believe Vatican can convert, the only one who can convert is him and other ecumenists.

Proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWBeOBOFAUA

This is repulsing.

Strange, I didn't here Metropolitan Kallistos denounce the Orthodox faith during that video. My speakers must not be working properly.
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2015, 05:10:13 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.


I'm used of listening to him speaking in English, he speaks Greek rarely, I must say his Greek is astonishing.

Were these remarks prepared for him by another?  I didnt know he was a Greek speaker.
Me neither, I know he was a monk in Patmos for a number of years, therefore he must have learnt the language at least in conversational level; the language he uses in his address though, is formal and not the usual vernacular demotic, which I did not expect.
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.
I too have a few objections to some of his theses, yet he has introduced so many people of the Anglosphere to Holy Orthodoxy; I'm in no position to judge him as I've done nothing comparable to this achievement. I wish him many years.   
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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2015, 05:23:49 PM »
His Greek is beautiful!  If I recall correctly not only did His Eminence learn Classical and Koine Greek in college, when he became Orthodox he spent quite a bit of time at the Monastery of St. John on the island of Patmos and also learned Demotik Greek there as well.  May God grant him many, many more years!

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2015, 05:25:15 PM »
  If I recall correctly not only did His Eminence learn Classical and Koine Greek in college, when he became Orthodox he spent quite a bit of time at the Monastery of St. John on the island of Patmos and also learned Demotik Greek there as well.  May God grant him many, many more years!

Met. Ware is a classicist by education, but I suppose Apostolos meant katharevousa when he said formal.
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2015, 05:26:28 PM »
Bp. Ware's lectures were among the first things I listened to, when I was first getting interested in Orthodoxy.

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2015, 05:42:44 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.

On what basis?

Ive heard too many speeches where it appears that Met. Kallistos speaks only to speak so he can hear himself. An opinion.

Interesting.  I, too, have heard many speeches, both online and in person, and I never got that impression. 
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2015, 06:51:39 PM »
That man has fallen in to arrogant love of his own voice and accent. Too bad he is teaching heterodox theology. Those who recognize Latin Church as some sister Church are heterodox.

I would agree with that assessment.

On what basis?

Ive heard too many speeches where it appears that Met. Kallistos speaks only to speak so he can hear himself. An opinion.

So what? People pay him to speak. It's not like he forces open the doors and rushes the stage of those conferences. Thousands, if not millions of people have been introduced to the Church because of the work he's done.

Folks like him will be the reason when schism appears in the Orthodox Church. I don't plan to be in communion with Rome or to compromise with any other heterodox. He is raping Orthodox Church teaching on the dignity of the Orthodox Church. He thinks we are stupid to believe Vatican can convert, the only one who can convert is him and other ecumenists.

Proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWBeOBOFAUA

This is repulsing.

Strange, I didn't here Metropolitan Kallistos denounce the Orthodox faith during that video. My speakers must not be working properly.

He is there with his delegation to bring Orthodox and Catholic Church closer.

Let me ask you, would Orthodox Church defeat Aries heresy if it acted like this?
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2015, 06:54:02 PM »

Strange, I didn't here Metropolitan Kallistos denounce the Orthodox faith during that video. My speakers must not be working properly.

Pravoslavac is one of those anti-western Serbs. Not strangling the Pope with his own intestines if you get the chance probably equals apostasy to him.
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2015, 07:03:59 PM »

He is there with his delegation to bring Orthodox and Catholic Church closer.

Let me ask you, would Orthodox Church defeat Aries Arian heresy if it acted like this?

St. Basil the Great describing relations with those who denied the Divinity of the Holy Spirit:
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2015, 07:09:58 PM »

Strange, I didn't here Metropolitan Kallistos denounce the Orthodox faith during that video. My speakers must not be working properly.

Pravoslavac is one of those anti-western Serbs. Not strangling the Pope with his own intestines if you get the chance probably equals apostasy to him.

Thank you that explains a lot.  I dare say then I should not expect a logical unemotional reply from him.
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2015, 07:16:20 PM »
I myself love the voice of Metropolitan Kallistos Ware, it soothes and comforts me.  Whatever His Eminence affirms as Orthodox, I will accept as Orthodox, and I agree with nearly all he has written (differing only on the matter of the height and configuration of a Byzantine Rite iconostasis).  May God grant him many years!  :D :D

  And indeed on that sad day when he does leave us, I will be among the first in line to advocate his glorification.  8)

In fact I am reminded a bit of the excessive zeal Roman Catholics had for relics of mewly deceased ascetics whose canonization was certain...I feel if I lived 500 years ago I would want dibs on His Eminence's most beautiful head.  :P   (I jest of course, I am referring to the famous "translation (or perhaps, abduction)" of the head of St. Catharine of Sienna by residents of her hometown).

Fortunately in the Orthodox Church we prefer to leave the incorrupt remains of our saints intact in their resplendant beauty, amd this is for the best.  But I really do love Meteopolitan Kallistos; no other academic or scholar helped me as much during the painful time of my life in which Orthodox worship allowed God to become my strength and my comfort, and the writings and lectures of His Eminence taught me how to fully enter into and experience the heavenly refuge for the soul that God has provoded us in the Apostolic faith.  I hope to meet him or see him in this life.
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2015, 07:18:29 PM »

Strange, I didn't here Metropolitan Kallistos denounce the Orthodox faith during that video. My speakers must not be working properly.

Pravoslavac is one of those anti-western Serbs. Not strangling the Pope with his own intestines if you get the chance probably equals apostasy to him.

Cyrillic is one of those Holland guys who hate the Serbs because of CNN. Trust me, i have no empathy for the Serbian Nation. I never ever mentioned my nation in this debate. Serbian Nation has nothing to do with the holy that forbid hanging out with heterodox. God forbid to pray with them.
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2015, 07:18:45 PM »
I like the Bishop's voice too. :)

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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2015, 07:19:24 PM »

He is there with his delegation to bring Orthodox and Catholic Church closer.

Let me ask you, would Orthodox Church defeat Aries Arian heresy if it acted like this?

St. Basil the Great describing relations with those who denied the Divinity of the Holy Spirit:
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For I am convinced that by longer association together and by mutual experience without strife, even if there should be need of some addition being made for clarification, the Lord who works all things together unto good to such as love him will give it.

Sam, that is a very profitable and interesting quote on how we should relate with our fellow Christians whomare either heterodox but not anathema, or who are seeking ecumenical reconciliation with us.  Do you have the source?

I like the Bishop's voice too. :)

That makes two more of us to join His Eminence's fan club.  I love the way he beautifully pronounces a Greek theological term and then explains it in perfect Oxford RP English.   Slow, steady, and relaxed, not hurried or self-effacing like the old "BBC Accent," which was really a degenerate form of Received Pronunciation, like the difference between an anonymous American TV reporter, and the voice of, say, Gregory Peck or Robert Stack.
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2015, 07:33:04 PM »
I like the bishops voice and accent too, but i don't like his heterodox ecumenist approach towards Rome.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2015, 11:00:56 PM »
This is the Greek Language forum. Why is nobody discussing Metropolitan Kallistos's use of Greek in his speech?
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Re: Metropolitan Kallistos of Diokleia - Honourary Doctorate
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2015, 11:07:46 PM »
This is the Greek Language forum. Why is nobody discussing Metropolitan Kallistos's use of Greek in his speech?
Multiple people have brought it up.

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Re: Metropolitan Kallistos of Diokleia - Honourary Doctorate
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2015, 11:09:11 PM »
This is the Greek Language forum. Why is nobody discussing Metropolitan Kallistos's use of Greek in his speech?
Multiple people have brought it up.
Yet nobody's discussing it.
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Re: Metropolitan Kallistos of Diokleia - Honourary Doctorate
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2015, 11:10:27 PM »
This is the Greek Language forum. Why is nobody discussing Metropolitan Kallistos's use of Greek in his speech?
Multiple people have brought it up.
Yet nobody's discussing it.
You're keeping up the trend.
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Re: Metropolitan Kallistos of Diokleia - Honourary Doctorate
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2015, 11:15:39 PM »
I'm not sure I would characterize his Greek as "beautiful." He is definitely very capable in speaking the language, but there is a certain lack of rythm and obvious accent present. Greek consonants aren't as "hard" as Westerners like to make them, either. No faulting him, though, all of that is common, and his knowledge of the language far exceeds mine! You can tell he's a classicist, though!
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Re: Metropolitan Kallistos of Diokleia - Honourary Doctorate
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2015, 11:26:43 PM »
This is the Greek Language forum. Why is nobody discussing Metropolitan Kallistos's use of Greek in his speech?
Multiple people have brought it up.
Yet nobody's discussing it.
You're keeping up the trend.
No, I'm trying to get people to discuss it. I neither speak nor understand Greek, so it will need to be someone else.
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