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Offline Brigid of Kildare

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Raising of Incense
« on: April 30, 2003, 07:57:17 AM »
I was browsing the site of the British Orthodox Church and noticed in their schedule of services that they listed 'Raising of Incense' about 45 minutes before the Divine Liturgy. Could someone explain to me what this means?

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Re:Raising of Incense
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2003, 12:35:47 PM »
Brigid, the British Orthodox Church is Coptic, is it not?  The "Raising of Incense" could be part of or equivalent to the Proskomedia in our Orthodox Byzantine Divine Liturgy. It would be nice to hear from our Oriental Orthodox brethren on your question.

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2003, 12:38:36 PM »
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the British Orthodox Church is Coptic, is it not?

It is part of the Coptic Church and I assume Coptic Rite.
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Re:Raising of Incense
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2003, 12:48:03 PM »
I sort of remembered that, Serge (trying to keep even with the number of your posts after you somehow managed to catch up with me without my noticing in my dotage).  ::)

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Re:Raising of Incense
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2003, 01:58:28 PM »
Copts call Matins and Vespers the "Morning Raising of Incense" and "Evening Raising of Incense."

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Re:Raising of Incense
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2003, 04:57:56 PM »
Copts call Matins and Vespers the "Morning Raising of Incense" and "Evening Raising of Incense."

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Thank you very much Anastasios, that makes sense and is a charming title too!

The website is at http://www.uk-christian.net/boc/ and there is some interesting stuff there, including their publication The Glastonbury Review.

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Re:Raising of Incense
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2003, 09:41:25 AM »
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the British Orthodox Church is Coptic, is it not?

It is part of the Coptic Church and I assume Coptic Rite.

The British Orthodox Church is under the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate, but they worship exactly like they did before they came into full Communion with the Coptic Church.  I believe they use the Liturty of St. James, while we usually use the Liturgy of St. Basil.

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Re:Raising of Incense
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2003, 10:16:26 AM »
Dear Jonathan,

First of all, welcome!

Second, I had a question about the BOC.  You said they use the Liturgy of Saint James.  Do they use the Byzantine version of the Saint James, or the Syriac version?
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Re:Raising of Incense
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2003, 11:02:42 AM »
Dear Jonathan,

First of all, welcome!

Second, I had a question about the BOC.  You said they use the Liturgy of Saint James.  Do they use the Byzantine version of the Saint James, or the Syriac version?  

Thank you!

I just found this page: http://www.uk-christian.net/boc/stjames.shtml , aparently I was wrong, they did start using it later, that page explains the change.  I don't know if it answers your question, I don't know enough about this stuff.

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Re:Raising of Incense
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2003, 03:49:01 PM »
Mor, what are the differences between the Syriac and Byzantine versions of the Liturgy of St. James?  Why aren't they the same, or has one just been abbreviated?

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Re:Raising of Incense
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2003, 04:17:31 PM »

I don't know much about the Byzantine version, but the original Anaphora of St. James wasn't very long, though the preceeding service was far longer than it is today (it would begin at 1:30am).  

There are many additions, especially the reinessance in Syriac poetry.  If I'm not mistaken, everything before the Kiss of Peace has been added over time.

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Re:Raising of Incense
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2003, 07:34:08 PM »
Hypo,

I cannot enumerate the differences, but suffice it to say that a reading of the Byzantine Saint James on Archimandrite Ephrem's website (Anastasis something or the other, it comes out of the UK, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about) shows a heavy Byzantine influence.  In fact, I couldn't find too much that matched up with our Saint James.  Then again, I didn't read it terribly close, so maybe I missed something.  However, to me, it seemed like two entirely different services.
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