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« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2014, 07:04:56 AM »


Usually, there is a "once Greek, always Greek" rule. Even if you become a citizen of another country, Greece still considers you to be Greek.

Greece considers you to be Greek when it suits them, and a foreigner when it doesn't. I could write a book on the stories that Greeks have told me over the years.  Tongue
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« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2014, 07:14:54 AM »

Sadly enough, being Orthodox makes it much easier to gain dual citizenship with Greek as they accept baptismal certificates as a proof of the right of juis sanguinis because my Mother and Grandmother swore off their Greek citizenship.
To whom did they swear anything, to American or Greek authorities?
Usually, there is a "once Greek, always Greek" rule. Even if you become a citizen of another country, Greece still considers you to be Greek.

Greece distinguishes between nationality and citizenship, is all. Greek nationality is a permanent fixture; citizenship can change, either going dual or renouncing Greek civic rights and obligations. I'm not sure when exactly Greece started accepting dual citizenships, but it was most probably a byproduct of the colonels' junta years, when the government was in the habit of stripping dissenters who had fled abroad of their Greek citizenships. After the shenanigans was over, said citizenships were restored, in addition to those of the countries that had taken the people in.
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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2014, 12:39:57 PM »

1. St. Sava of Serbia (January 14) [1174-1237]
2. St. Nicetas of Novgorod (January 31) [†1108]
3. St. John the Martyr of Vilnius (April 14) [†1342]
4. St. Anthony the Martyr of Vilnius (April 14) [†1342]
5. St. Eustace the Martyr of Vilnius (April 14) [†1342]
6. St. Stephen the Enlightener of Perm (April 26) [1340-1396]
7. St. Stephen Pechersky (April 27) [†1094]
8. St. Cyril of Turov (April 28) [1130-1182]
9. St. Ignatius of Rostov (April 28) [†1288]
10. St. Isaiah the Wonderworker of Rostov (May 15) [†1090]
11. St. Euphrosyne of Polotsk (May 23) [†1173]
12. St. Leontius of Rostov (May 23) [†1077]
13. St. Nicetas the Wonderworker of Pereaslavl (May 24) [†1186]
14. St. German of Valaam (June 28) [†?]
15. St. Sergius of Valaam (June 28) [†?]
16. St. Anthony of the Kiev Caves (July 10) [983-1073]
17. St. Theodosius of the Kiev Caves (July 10)
18. St. Theodore the Black of Yaroslavl (September 19) [†1299]
19. St. David of Yaroslavl (September 19) [†1299]
20. St. Constantine of Yaroslavl (September 19) [†1299]
21. St. Michael the Martyr, Wonderworker of Chernigov (September 21) [†1246]
22. St. Theodore the Martyr, Wonderworker of Chernigov (September 21) [†1246]
23. St. Sergius the Wonderworker of Radonezh (September 25) [1314-1392]
24. St. Abraham the Wonderworker of Rostov (October 29) [†1073]
25. St. Barlaam of Khutyn (November 6) [†1193]
26. St. Gregory Palamas the Wonderworker of Thessalonica (Second Sunday of Great Lent) [1296-1359]
27. St. Nicephorus the Solitary of the Medikion Monastery on Mt. Athos (May 5) [†1300?]
28. St. Parasceva Petca the New of Tarnovo (October 14) [†1201?]

The source from which this list is taken refers to Orthodox saints included in the Roman Catholic calendar of saints. This list is unofficial.
In the current edition of the official martyrology (Martyrologium Romanum) of the Roman Catholic Church, only four are listed:

St. Stephen of Perm (listed April 26)
St. Anthony of the Kiev Caves (listed May 7)
St. Theodosius of the Kiev Caves (listed May 3)
St. Sergius of Radonezh (listed Sept 25)

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« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2014, 12:48:46 PM »

This isn't technically post "11th Century Schism", but I do know a Coptic Catholic who venerates St. Severus of Antioch and St. Jacob of Serug.
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« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2014, 03:09:43 PM »

1. St. Sava of Serbia (January 14) [1174-1237]
2. St. Nicetas of Novgorod (January 31) [†1108]
3. St. John the Martyr of Vilnius (April 14) [†1342]
4. St. Anthony the Martyr of Vilnius (April 14) [†1342]
5. St. Eustace the Martyr of Vilnius (April 14) [†1342]
6. St. Stephen the Enlightener of Perm (April 26) [1340-1396]
7. St. Stephen Pechersky (April 27) [†1094]
8. St. Cyril of Turov (April 28) [1130-1182]
9. St. Ignatius of Rostov (April 28) [†1288]
10. St. Isaiah the Wonderworker of Rostov (May 15) [†1090]
11. St. Euphrosyne of Polotsk (May 23) [†1173]
12. St. Leontius of Rostov (May 23) [†1077]
13. St. Nicetas the Wonderworker of Pereaslavl (May 24) [†1186]
14. St. German of Valaam (June 28) [†?]
15. St. Sergius of Valaam (June 28) [†?]
16. St. Anthony of the Kiev Caves (July 10) [983-1073]
17. St. Theodosius of the Kiev Caves (July 10)
18. St. Theodore the Black of Yaroslavl (September 19) [†1299]
19. St. David of Yaroslavl (September 19) [†1299]
20. St. Constantine of Yaroslavl (September 19) [†1299]
21. St. Michael the Martyr, Wonderworker of Chernigov (September 21) [†1246]
22. St. Theodore the Martyr, Wonderworker of Chernigov (September 21) [†1246]
23. St. Sergius the Wonderworker of Radonezh (September 25) [1314-1392]
24. St. Abraham the Wonderworker of Rostov (October 29) [†1073]
25. St. Barlaam of Khutyn (November 6) [†1193]
26. St. Gregory Palamas the Wonderworker of Thessalonica (Second Sunday of Great Lent) [1296-1359]
27. St. Nicephorus the Solitary of the Medikion Monastery on Mt. Athos (May 5) [†1300?]
28. St. Parasceva Petca the New of Tarnovo (October 14) [†1201?]

The source from which this list is taken refers to Orthodox saints included in the Roman Catholic calendar of saints. This list is unofficial.
In the current edition of the official martyrology (Martyrologium Romanum) of the Roman Catholic Church, only four are listed:

St. Stephen of Perm (listed April 26)
St. Anthony of the Kiev Caves (listed May 7)
St. Theodosius of the Kiev Caves (listed May 3)
St. Sergius of Radonezh (listed Sept 25)


The Roman Martyrology is not the only official source.  These are all listed in the Ruthenian Calendar.
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« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2014, 06:27:00 PM »

That should read Russian Catholic Calendar, but many of these are also on the Ruthenian Calendar.

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« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2014, 09:18:27 PM »

The Roman Martyrology is not the only official source.  These are all listed in the Ruthenian Calendar.

Yes, I am well aware that the RM is not the only official source.

The above list of Orthodox saints which you posted comes from this blog which titles it as "The following saints appear in the list of saints of the Roman calendar that the Servant of God Pope Paul VI approved in 1969:".
Since it was referring to the Roman liturgical calendar, I was pointing out that the source this blog uses is unofficial and only four of those listed are actually in the RM.

I just saw your correction about the Ruthenian calendar.
Yes, the Russian Catholic churches generally commemorate almost every saint glorified by the Russian Orthodox Church.
You state that many of them are also found in the Ruthenian calendar. I presume you are referring to the menaion of the Byzantine Catholic metropolia. Yes, several of those listed can be found there.


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« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2014, 09:27:55 PM »

But my concern was not with which ones were on the Roman Rite calendar but which ones were on the calendar of any of the Eastern Catholic Churches. 

As to the Metropolia of Pittsburgh, I was referencing the Calendar included in the back of the 2007 Liturgicon, which is an official edition, not the MCI.
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« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2014, 08:49:08 PM »

I have read that in 1940 Pope Pius XII of blessed memory issued a calender for Russian Catholic usage which included about 20 post-'schism' saints canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church (and by 'post-schism' I mean post-1054, though the exact date of any definitive schism is debatable).  I know that St. Sergey Radonezhsky was among them, but what others there were I do not know. 

I have been unable to locate this calendar.  Does anyone have information on this?

I was going to recommend that you contact Fr. Constantin Simon, SJ, at the Pontifical Oriental Institute (POI) in Rome. He was vice-rector of the POI, speaks English and has written at least three books on the Russicum in English, which are excellent.

In looking for his contact information, I just found out to my surprise that he has converted to Russian Orthodoxy almost a month ago.  Shocked
http://antimodern.ru/simon/

Oh, well, so much for that lead. 
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