And I presume you would apply a similar 'imperfection' to sexual relations between a husband and wife? Why would such an intimate act be 'imperfect'? Perhabs because of the material medium? It does not seem to me that you have escaped a gonistic metaphysic.
Nonsense. All that I mean by "imperfect" is that with most of us sinners, because of our limitations, these sacramental actions enable us to only see the Kingdom "as through a glass darkly." And yes, sometimes these gifts God gives us are misused. I suppose you've never eaten too much on occassion? I suppose that it might
be possible that something similar might
happen in the case of sex.
Call me crazy, but it just seems
, humans being what they are, that this just might
happen sometimes. I'm not hung up on it. I'm sure God forgives his children for this. You are the one who does not respect the material: you say that eating is "simply taking nourishment needed by the body" and nothing more.
You betray your bias, you submit that husband and wife will be together in heaven in all but material ways. Not even I, though a fervent neoplatonist, would go so far as to insist on the absence of matter and material relationships in the life to come. If indeed there is to be any relationship between husband and wife in the life to come, why assume to to be devoid of any material connection, despite the Christian belief in a material resurrection? I believe that in these arguments the danger of the position you espouse is manifested.
Poppycock. I was paraphrasing Christ's words, quite closely actually. You remember Him, right? He's the one our faith is based on, or so I have heard. Clearly He is saying, among other things, that sexual intercourse as we know it now will not be part of life in the age to come! Of course I believe that the material is of great importance. Why do you think I was lamenting the attitude exhibited towards the human body regarding the exhibition of human corpses in another thread earlier today? Personally, I strongly affirm and believe in the continuation and transfiguration of the material realm in the age to come.
Yes, Christianity can have a very unhealthy attitude towards sexuality, like labeling it a 'passion' and using this as an excuse to demonize and diminish a sacramental relationship between a husband and wife; it is to address this exact ideology that the Synod of Gangra was convened.
If you want to bait me on this, go right ahead. I'm not interested. You are fully aware that like anything else in the human experience, sexuality can be divorced from what it is supposed to be pointing towards (the Kingdom), and used as an end in itself. Yeah, our Tradition calls that a passion. You also know that there are different ways of thinking about the passions in the Church, that we should either try to eradicate them with God's help, or to ask God's help in transforming them into a means to get closer to Him.