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Question: Is hard rock and/or metal music evil?
I don't really have an opinion/none of the above. - 3 (6.8%)
Only heavy metal is evil, rock isn't that bad. - 5 (11.4%)
Hard rock is evil, though classic rock is ok. - 3 (6.8%)
All rock is evil, regardless of the subgenre. - 6 (13.6%)
Rock isn't evil - 23 (52.3%)
I don't really have an opinion/none of the above. - 4 (9.1%)
Total Voters: 44

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« on: January 04, 2007, 10:54:29 PM »

Do the themes of a sexual, occultic, or otherwise unChristian nature mean that bands like Van Halen, AC/DC, Aerosmith, etc. are evil? What about metal bands like Metallica? Or Megadeth? Or something more extreme like or Cannibal Corpse?
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2007, 11:07:43 PM »

The musical genres are not evil in themselves.  Lord knows that I enjoy some rock (including classic Led Zeppelin and some alternative like Radiohead).  Humans are passionate beings that sometimes express themselves through their music and lyrics.  There are many songs out their that are totally raunchy and are purely sexual (a sizeable portion are found in the hip/hop genre as well) and cannot help affecting one with carnal thoughts.  It is too bad because many rock songs have good music but bad lyrics.  However, it is possible to find good music with intelligent lyrics if you look outside mainstream radio.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2007, 11:20:23 PM »

Evil shmeevil.  Simple fact is, if there is no accordian involved, why bother.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2007, 11:28:25 PM »

I voted that only the black/death metal is evil. I mean, while slayer, megadeth, black sabbath, etc. sometimes play around with "evil" themes, I don't get the feeling that they are that extreme in their real lives. Many of those death/black metal people though, I'm pretty sure that they would be insulted if you didn't sincerely consider them to be evil.

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Simple fact is, if there is no accordian involved, why bother

Lol, while I used to listen to the polka music because my Grand Father would have it on on Sunday mornings, the only actual accordian music that I can take is by weird al yankovic.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2007, 11:47:08 PM »

Rock is hideous, obnoxious, and boring...but evil? Give me a break.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2007, 03:44:09 AM »

 Like the NRA says. . . Guns don't kill people, people do.  Rock isn't evil, though some people who listen to it may be.  Wanna poll evil music. . . gangsta rap.

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2007, 12:06:37 PM »

Never evil, no music is evil.  Some is questionable in terms of subject matter or annoying in terms of the beat or whatever, but not evil.  Plus I happen to like Ozzy and Korn (though i hate metallica) and am married to a metalhead. I like techno and NIN and stuff like that, along with all the depeche mode and pop songs and other stuff...I'm eclectic, i guess. Gangsta rap I can live without.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2007, 12:22:18 PM »

I went to a retreat once where a monk talked about how music is evil. 

He basically said that due to the heavy use of certain chord progressions and notes, this was in line with many of the rhythms and beats of pagans in Africa who used drum beats to worship their gods (devils). 

He also said that the Devil was the greates of the angels in terms of how he played the lyre/harp in heaven, so when he was cast down he still uses this skill to lure us away from God subliminally...

Food for thought... Wink
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2007, 12:44:28 PM »

I went to a retreat once where a monk talked about how music is evil. 

He basically said that due to the heavy use of certain chord progressions and notes, this was in line with many of the rhythms and beats of pagans in Africa who used drum beats to worship their gods (devils). 

He also said that the Devil was the greates of the angels in terms of how he played the lyre/harp in heaven, so when he was cast down he still uses this skill to lure us away from God subliminally...

Food for thought... Wink

Guess I won't be burning any of my Les Baxter MP3's for him...
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2007, 12:50:52 PM »

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He basically said that due to the heavy use of certain chord progressions and notes, this was in line with many of the rhythms and beats of pagans in Africa who used drum beats to worship their gods (devils).

Yeah, I could see that. If Satan existed and was ever to come up with music, it would probably sound like heavy metal (with the heavy use of perfect fifths, palm muting, etc.).  And who else could come up with the profound, beautiful, controlled chaos of metal, as heard on albums like Rust in Peace? Grin
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2007, 12:57:40 PM »

If there's anything evil about Heavy Metal it's the fact that people get rich off that nonsense.  It's a business pure and simple.

I think if Satan had a theme song, it would be in the music of Schonberg.
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2007, 01:02:49 PM »

Someone should tell all those metal guys playing in grimy clubs and living out of their van that they're supposed to be getting rich, lol. And Schonberg isn't all bad. A Survivor from Warsaw wasn't so bad. Well, ok, let me rephrase that, it wasn't boring. Personally, I can't stand classical music. ZZZzzz.
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2007, 01:05:48 PM »

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Just imagine if the Church had adapted elements of pagan Greek music into its chant.  Thank God we've been spared from that.  
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2007, 01:14:42 PM »

Evil? Nah...it just sucks!
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2007, 01:33:08 PM »

Evil shmeevil.  Simple fact is, if there is no accordian involved, why bother.

You must be a They Might be Giants fan.  Wink
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2007, 01:35:30 PM »

Just imagine if the Church had adapted elements of pagan Greek music into its chant.  Thank God we've been spared from that. 

Yeah, or even worse......can you imagine what would have happened if the Russian Church had adapted German beer drinking songs?  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2007, 01:38:51 PM »

Personally, I can't stand classical music. ZZZzzz.

Too bad for you.
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2007, 02:06:26 PM »

Too bad for you.

I second that.
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2007, 02:07:53 PM »

Just imagine if the Church had adapted elements of pagan Greek music into its chant.  Thank God we've been spared from that. 

Yeah, I'm glad they kept all the Paganism out of Orthodoxy.  Shweeew.

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Someone should tell all those metal guys playing in grimy clubs and living out of their van that they're supposed to be getting rich, lol.

I would be willing to bet the ultimate goal of those people is not to live a Matt Foley existence but to actually go on and be another Metallica, with all of the varioius rewards that go along with that.
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2007, 02:20:13 PM »

You must be a They Might be Giants fan.  Wink

I can't even remember anything they sang.  My teen years were the 80's though, maybe Dexy's Midnight Runners had an accordian.  Who knows.  It's all new fangled hogwash to me anyhow!

I will always associate heavy metal with high school, and the guys I knew who wore "Dio", "Judas Priest" and "Def Lepperd" concert t-shirts while smoking in the park across the street from school.
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2007, 12:46:50 AM »

I think the great Duke Ellington once said that there are only two kinds of music, good music and bad music; neither type has a monopoly on a particular style or genre.

Of course, the music could be good but the lyrics stupid, juvenile, or banal, resulting in their being bad (both aesthetically and morally). Alot of the "satanic" lyrics are like toilet and body part humor; it's just the lowest common denominator in terms of adolescent rebellion. It's just more pathetic when 20 or 30-somethings are writing the lyrics - it's like they should grow up and get over it!

However, I would not be comfortable listening to those kinds of lyrics.

I teach guitar and once had a student for whom his lessons for a year was for me to learn every Danzig tune off of the first two albums and transcribe them for him in tablature. The lyrics to alot of those songs made me uncomfortable at times (but the music was pretty cool).
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2009, 04:21:27 AM »

Like the NRA says. . . Guns don't kill people, people do.  Rock isn't evil, though some people who listen to it may be.  Wanna poll evil music. . . gangsta rap.

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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2009, 10:01:40 AM »

I think if Satan had a theme song, it would be in the music of Schonberg.

He already does.  You haven't heard of The Devil's Third?

It's the first riff of Black Sabbath.

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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2009, 05:51:31 PM »

I think if Satan had a theme song, it would be in the music of Schonberg.

He already does.  You haven't heard of The Devil's Third?
I'm not sure one could get away with calling a tritone a third.  Calling it the Devil's Fifth sounds better, especially if you think of this harmony as what happens when a duet tries to sing a fifth after drinking a fifth. Grin
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2009, 06:09:45 PM »

In my (Protestant) youth group used to have discussions on whether rock music (classic, heavy metal, hard rock, etc.) was bad for you or could hurt you. Back then, I didn't care since my only  musical passion was Beethoven!

The basic premise of this poll is the same stuff that we got from the Moral Majority back in the 1980s (my youth directors must have been members).  Music is only bad if you use it for an evil purpose.  Singing about the dark side of human nature, which bands like Metallic and Slayer do, isn't evil.  Now, if it encouraged people to do such things (and that is highly debatable) then perhaps it should be censored (by apporpriate persons, certainly not by governmental entities; discussion for another time).

Just mho.
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2009, 06:45:48 PM »

I thought it was evil only if played backwards...which would make it "live"....
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2009, 07:49:14 PM »

I thought it was evil only if played backwards...which would make it "live"....

I'll pay that.  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2009, 05:00:23 PM »

ya'll should google the video series They Sold Their Souls for Rock 'N' Roll. ive always listened to rock music but these videos are amazingly convincing that there is something unholy going on with much of rock music.
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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2009, 05:12:59 PM »

^Yes, and I have done plenty of unholy things after watching them.  Post hoc ergo propter hoc!  Give me a break.
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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2009, 05:20:44 PM »

have you watched the videos?
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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2009, 07:56:47 PM »

Funeral Mist is evil.
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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2009, 09:06:49 PM »

You guys ain't hip til you watch this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDJ_0UBdDrY
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« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2009, 06:20:23 PM »

Funeral Mist is evil.
Geez, these guys make Black Sabbath look like choir boys. Shocked
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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2009, 09:49:29 AM »

ya'll should google the video series They Sold Their Souls for Rock 'N' Roll. ive always listened to rock music but these videos are amazingly convincing that there is something unholy going on with much of rock music.
It's no longer available on YouTube, and I'm not paying $40 for it.

Here's the description from their website:

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Is it true that Satan is the master musician working behind the popular music scene and influencing our youth?

Fasten your seat belts as you go on an eye-popping ride upon the roller coaster of Rock, and find out how Rock’s most popular artists have Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll. In this mind-blowing exposé Pastor Joe Schimmel reveals just how Satan has been effectively using popular music to undermine God’s plan for the family and ultimately heralding the coming of the Antichrist and his kingdom on earth.

This full-length video series contains 10 hours of eye-popping, rare, and some never before seen footage that will leave you picking your jaw up off the ground, as you see hundreds of artists (most of whom are not covered in the abbreviated 3-hour version) being used by Satan to destroy many lives. Come behind the scenes with us as we expose the deceptive agendas of many of yesterday and today’s secular artists, such as: Elvis, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, U2, Creed, Madonna, Britney Spears, DMX, Tupac, Tori Amos, and many more.

It's time to remove the blinders - guard yourself and those you love from one of Satan’s most powerful tools!
This description alone is enough for me not to take them seriously.
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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2009, 10:48:21 AM »

This description alone is enough for me not to take them seriously.
Yep.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2009, 11:12:09 AM »

There used to be a Jack Chick tract (imagine that) that implied Satanic priests and priestesses were present at the pressing of albums to "bless" the music with demons to be released when the listener played the album.  Sort of like having a priest come to your factory to get a kosher rating, I guess, but the whole idea gave me quite the laughing fit.
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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2009, 11:33:56 AM »

There used to be a Jack Chick tract (imagine that) that implied Satanic priests and priestesses were present at the pressing of albums to "bless" the music with demons to be released when the listener played the album.  Sort of like having a priest come to your factory to get a kosher rating, I guess, but the whole idea gave me quite the laughing fit.
Jack Chick, I have collected those for years, they just make me laugh so hard.  laugh
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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2009, 12:13:32 PM »

There used to be a Jack Chick tract (imagine that) that implied Satanic priests and priestesses were present at the pressing of albums to "bless" the music with demons to be released when the listener played the album.  Sort of like having a priest come to your factory to get a kosher rating, I guess, but the whole idea gave me quite the laughing fit.
Jack Chick, I have collected those for years, they just make me laugh so hard.  laugh

Yep, they're great for a laugh.  Especially when he references his own books as source material.
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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2009, 12:20:07 PM »

Yep, they're great for a laugh.  Especially when he references his own books as source material.
Ha. Man, it gets me everytime.
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« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2009, 02:46:13 PM »

There used to be a Jack Chick tract (imagine that) that implied Satanic priests and priestesses were present at the pressing of albums to "bless" the music with demons to be released when the listener played the album.  Sort of like having a priest come to your factory to get a kosher rating, I guess, but the whole idea gave me quite the laughing fit.
Jack Chick, I have collected those for years, they just make me laugh so hard.  laugh
There are Fundies out there that pretty much treat Jack Chick Tracts as divinely inspired. Blind fanaticism is scary and very creepy.
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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2009, 05:57:14 PM »

theyre available on Google Video, here's part one http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2494291415376995856

and you can laugh at the description, but like i said the videos are amazingly convincing, with many many firsthand interviews from the artists themselves speaking of demonic things in their music.
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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2009, 08:23:20 PM »

There used to be a Jack Chick tract (imagine that) that implied Satanic priests and priestesses were present at the pressing of albums to "bless" the music with demons to be released when the listener played the album.  Sort of like having a priest come to your factory to get a kosher rating, I guess, but the whole idea gave me quite the laughing fit.
Jack Chick, I have collected those for years, they just make me laugh so hard.  laugh

I collected them in the past myself.  I have a first edition of "Dark Dungeons". That's the one that has a footnote warning about the evil witchcraft in the works of C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien.  It was put in because someone told him that those authors' work was evil, he didn't know anything about them first hand.  The note was taken out of later editions from what I recall, after someone told him otherwise.
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« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2009, 03:33:21 AM »

There are Fundies out there that pretty much treat Jack Chick Tracts as divinely inspired. Blind fanaticism is scary and very creepy.

There's no time to worry about that mess!  You want to see scary and creepy from the latest Chick Tract?

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« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2009, 07:30:37 AM »

They're not satanic/evil, they're just misled. If they knew the truth, they wouldn't do so.
By the way, David Mustaine from Megadeth is a Christian and he also wrote a song against the New World Order.

And music on its own isn't evil (I think). Christian black metal is good. Cheesy
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« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2009, 10:07:58 AM »

There are Fundies out there that pretty much treat Jack Chick Tracts as divinely inspired. Blind fanaticism is scary and very creepy.

There's no time to worry about that mess!  You want to see scary and creepy from the latest Chick Tract?

Fhtagn!

My god... it's full of stars!   Grin
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« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2009, 10:59:44 AM »

I don't think that a genre can be evil. Although, songs and performances that encourage risky and immoral behavior should not be listened to.

Music either makes me think or makes me feel, sometimes both (which is the best kind).

Most anything by Mozart makes me thankful to God, for his talent was extraordinary. Same goes when I listen to Pavarotti, the then six-year old Connie (at Britain's Got Talent two years ago), and Alison Kraus.

Then you have songs/compositions that combine musical genius with special meaning, like Rachmaninoff's Great Vespers, Verdi's "Dies Irae, and "Whiskey Lulluby" sung by Brad Paisley and Alison Kraus.

Finally, who cannot be enchanted by many of the standards in the Great American Songbook and even some of the newer standards from newer musicals?

With standards this high, rock comes into better focus and context. The best rock combines musicality with artistry, ergo: The Eagles!!!
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« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2009, 11:15:35 AM »

I guess that Wagner makes you think of fascism then? Cheesy
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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2009, 10:47:07 AM »

No. When I hear Wagner I either just just think of whatever opera it's from or I think of Anna Russell and her take on the "Ring Cycle"  Grin

Here's the first part of a video of this comic tour du force on YouTube
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« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2011, 09:11:24 AM »

Can anyone give me a precise definition of rock music? I tried to find it, but somehow did not.

On the whole, I don't believe that a Christian who seeks a life in Christ should listen to any singer or group who allow themselves to be blasphemous, to mock God, the Theotokos, the basic truths and values of Christianity, to sing praises to Satan or glorify fornication, murder, sexual perversions or anything of this kind. Saints, like St Seraphim of Sarov, taught us to guard ourselves from external impressions that can harm our soul.

Is the pleasure you can get from a concert worth causing serious harm to your soul?
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