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There are two versions of that painting, one Catholic and the other Protestant. The Catholic version highlights the appearance of the Roman Eucharistic cracker on the forehead and a chalice on the temple.
CRACKER?  ?!!!!!! I hope you are not just saying that to be offensive! |
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2009, 05:53:58 PM » |
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I meant no offense, a cracker is by definition a crisp wafer and that is what is used is it not?
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2009, 06:03:41 PM » |
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Proper terminology is wafer.
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2009, 06:07:45 PM » |
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I meant no offense, a cracker is by definition a crisp wafer and that is what is used is it not?
"Cracker" I don't believe would be the correct term. A) Cracker is often used as an extremely offensive term to belittle the belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and B) it isn't exactly crisp. No harm done, it is just a misunderstanding. |
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2009, 06:19:56 PM » |
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I meant no offense, a cracker is by definition a crisp wafer and that is what is used is it not?
Fundamentalists will often insult the Catholic belief of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist by refering to it as a "cracker Christ". |
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2009, 07:01:52 PM » |
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Proper terminology is wafer.
Really? While I would physically describe it as a wafer, that still doesn't sound proper, although besides "host" I'm having trouble coming up with a better name. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2009, 07:05:29 PM » |
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Proper terminology is wafer.
Really? While I would physically describe it as a wafer, that still doesn't sound proper, although besides "host" I'm having trouble coming up with a better name. While I was growing up Catholic we call it a "Host" or the "Body of Christ". I can't remember any other names used. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2009, 07:11:08 PM » |
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While I was growing up Catholic we call it a "Host" or the "Body of Christ". I can't remember any other names used.
Is it called a "Host" before it is Consecrated, or is it only called the Host after consecration? |
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2009, 07:17:02 PM » |
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While I was growing up Catholic we call it a "Host" or the "Body of Christ". I can't remember any other names used.
Is it called a "Host" before it is Consecrated, or is it only called the Host after consecration? It *can* be used in both situations, but it is more proper to refer to it as the Host after consecration. Before consecration, it is usually called "altar bread". |
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2009, 07:29:30 PM » |
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While I was growing up Catholic we call it a "Host" or the "Body of Christ". I can't remember any other names used.
Is it called a "Host" before it is Consecrated, or is it only called the Host after consecration? I believe after only but I could be wrong. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2009, 07:30:18 PM » |
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While I was growing up Catholic we call it a "Host" or the "Body of Christ". I can't remember any other names used.
Is it called a "Host" before it is Consecrated, or is it only called the Host after consecration? It *can* be used in both situations, but it is more proper to refer to it as the Host after consecration. Before consecration, it is usually called "altar bread". Did not see that. I guess I was wrong! Its been a long time!!  |
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2009, 07:38:41 PM » |
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While I was growing up Catholic we call it a "Host" or the "Body of Christ". I can't remember any other names used.
Is it called a "Host" before it is Consecrated, or is it only called the Host after consecration? It *can* be used in both situations, but it is more proper to refer to it as the Host after consecration. Before consecration, it is usually called "altar bread". Did not see that. I guess I was wrong! Its been a long time!! I had to think back to my grade 2 trip, when we met the Benedictine nuns who made the altar bread for our diocese.  |
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2009, 10:42:14 AM » |
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"Cracker" is also ethnicist, egregious, and elitist.
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2009, 11:02:40 AM » |
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I've never heard it being called a "cracker", although I have never been an RC, or had much contact with them. It sounds rather on the disrespectful side to me...
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2009, 01:38:46 PM » |
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My Latin friends in college use to say they needed to go get their "cracker and juice so they won't burn in hell" when they would go to Mass on Sunday night.
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2009, 02:02:56 PM » |
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My Latin friends in college use to say they needed to go get their "cracker and juice so they won't burn in hell" when they would go to Mass on Sunday night.
This seems pretty unnecessary. It seems like your belittling Catholics by indicating a general irreverence among the laity. Maybe, not, but it still seems offensive to me. |
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2009, 01:39:36 PM » |
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Just because something is small and crisp doesn't mean that the same word can apply to it as to another thing. The connotation of "cracker" is like a snack or a common food item of little nourishment or importance. So the word does not apply to a host. I am also reminded of some of the peculiar not to say bizarre works of Jack Chick (rabidly anti-RC among other things) including one that refers to the Eucharistic host as "the Death Cookie"   Ebor |
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2009, 02:12:47 PM » |
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My Latin friends in college use to say they needed to go get their "cracker and juice so they won't burn in hell" when they would go to Mass on Sunday night.
This seems pretty unnecessary. It seems like your belittling Catholics by indicating a general irreverence among the laity. Maybe, not, but it still seems offensive to me. I know Orthodox laity (and some priest) who are even more irreverent. Just sharing that these friends of mine, who considered themselves "Good Catholics" because they would go to church each week, used the word "cracker" to describe the host. I know that they would announce were they were going in order to motivate the "Bad Catholics" who didn't go to church to go with them. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2009, 03:04:36 PM » |
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My Latin friends in college use to say they needed to go get their "cracker and juice so they won't burn in hell" when they would go to Mass on Sunday night.
They were being irreverent. |
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2009, 04:14:32 PM » |
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My Latin friends in college use to say they needed to go get their "cracker and juice so they won't burn in hell" when they would go to Mass on Sunday night.
This seems pretty unnecessary. It seems like your belittling Catholics by indicating a general irreverence among the laity. Maybe, not, but it still seems offensive to me. I know Orthodox laity (and some priest) who are even more irreverent. Me too. And...I have to say... You know how the thread titles get cut off after a few words? I honestly was expecting to read some discussion about whether or not "cracker" was a proper term for white people or something! ("Orthodox-CATHOLIC Discussion, DavidBryan; read next time...")  |
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2009, 11:39:56 PM » |
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"Just because something is small and crisp doesn't mean that the same word can apply..."
What law of speech prohibits it being so? Have you not read in Mark where our Lord describes a gentile child as a "little dog." Which phrase appears more offensive: to call a child a little dog, or to call a round wafer a cracker? Which one is more in accord with what is actually seen by the physical eye?
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2009, 09:53:08 AM » |
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Isn't "cracker" the term P. Z. Meyers used when he posted pictures of himself desecrating a host on his blog?
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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2009, 12:33:29 PM » |
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Isn't "cracker" the term P. Z. Meyers used when he posted pictures of himself desecrating a host on his blog?
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2009, 10:56:01 AM » |
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Isn't "cracker" the term P. Z. Meyers used when he posted pictures of himself desecrating a host on his blog?
Myers did, indeed, use the term "cracker" in his blog. http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.phpAnd his use of the term shows how words are not isolated in meaning but can have connotations and ideas that come along with them. He called the wafer a "cracker" specifically to show that it wasn't something special or sacred. Crackers are made in factories by the millions, sold in boxes and snacked on without much thought. Who has reverence for a saltine or a triscuit? Ebor |
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2009, 11:35:21 AM » |
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"Crackers are made in factories by the millions, sold in boxes and snacked on without much thought." Ebor Crackers can be produced in small quanities and packaged fresh for sale daily. Eucharistic wafers can and are manufacuted in mass quanities and sold in boxes. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2149734/posts |
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2009, 12:01:06 PM » |
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Well, I guess that this is a matter of differences in language use. Myers called the Eucharistic host a "cracker" to show disdain. Other people can use the term and not mean it as an insult, but it is just their perspective. However, I think that if people who do believe that it is the Body of Our Lord in the Eucharist object to calling it a "cracker" then their feelings should be considered.  With respect, Ebor |
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2009, 01:56:25 PM » |
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I meant no offense, a cracker is by definition a crisp wafer and that is what is used is it not?
What many Protestants used can be more accurately be called a cracker. The RC Host is rather like plastic that melts on the roof of your mouth ("do not press with the teeth," St Athanasius), and is officially called a wafer. |
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