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« on: December 27, 2006, 12:11:09 PM »
I was having a conversation with a RCC friend last night and we were discussing the filioque.  We finally got to hashing out the problems that eternal procession "From" the Father poses, which he admits.  However, he posed a question that I do not have an answer for.  What was the Holy Spirit before Creation?  Let briefly clarify.  The Father is the orignater and the source of all.  The Son is the Logos.  Therefore, what was the Holy Spirit and what is his original relation to the Trinity?  Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2006, 12:58:08 PM »
Quote from: dantxny on December 27, 2006, 12:11:09 PM
I was having a conversation with a RCC friend last night and we were discussing the filioque.  We finally got to hashing out the problems that eternal procession "From" the Father poses, which he admits.  However, he posed a question that I do not have an answer for.  What was the Holy Spirit before Creation?  Let briefly clarify.  The Father is the orignater and the source of all.  The Son is the Logos.  Therefore, what was the Holy Spirit and what is his original relation to the Trinity?  Thanks

Well, other than being the third distinct divine hypostasis, to borrow another term from the Philosophers, the Holy Spirit is the Soul, that which bears the Logos.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2006, 01:22:58 PM »
Quote from: greekischristian on December 27, 2006, 12:58:08 PM
Well, other than being the third distinct divine hypostasis, to borrow another term from the Philosophers, the Holy Spirit is the Soul, that which bears the Logos.
I hope you dont mind in myself asking for a little clarification as I am unfamiliar with this philisophical aspect.  Then, to ask a more direct question how is the Soul then distinct from the Logos?  Also, if the Soul bears the Logos I am assumming this is part of the reason of the nature of the incarnation, that Christ was incarnate of the Theotokos and the Holy Spirit.
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2006, 12:57:49 PM »
St John the Damascene wrote "We believe also in the Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father and rests in the Son'" (Dogmatic Chapters)

The Holy Spirit is distinct from the Son in that the Holy Spirit proceeds, while the Son is begotten.  Both have their origin in the Father but a different relationship as implied by the different active terms.

The Spirit resting in the Son represents the Father's perfect love for the Son, and is a uniting principle between Father and Son.  So the Holy Spirit effects a unity of persons in Trinity as a bond of the dual relationship of Father and Son.  It is also said that the Son reflects the Spirit back to the Father, but this is not a causal relationship as the procession from the Father is.
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