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What do you think of ST:Voyager?

It wasn't bad, but wasn't that good either.
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It wasn't bad, but wasn't that good either.
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Pretty good.
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It was excellent.
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Huh? They made a Trek after the Original Series?
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Trek sucks.
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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2006, 05:40:26 PM »
And having a *very* tenuous Star Trek link, I've just noticed that in the last few postings, I have become a forum "Archon"

Festival!! Festival!!!

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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #46 on: December 21, 2006, 08:46:45 PM »
And having a *very* tenuous Star Trek link, I've just noticed that in the last few postings, I have become a forum "Archon"

Festival!! Festival!!!

 ;D :D

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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2006, 11:12:47 AM »
It was the will of Landru that you should become an Archon.

Excellent, Apotheoun!  You got it. 

Though I'm not sure how far this should go, since the Archons were "not of the Body".   ;)


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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2006, 11:25:51 AM »
Congratulations on your achievement!  ;D
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« Reply #49 on: December 22, 2006, 11:52:11 AM »
Thank you. I'm trying to come up with some kind of personalized title.  I'm not sure it would be appropriate to try for "Maia" and it already says "Vanyar" after all.

Then again, maybe it's telling me that I post too much.  ;D

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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2007, 10:33:29 PM »
Grrr, they've now put ST:Voyager on late nights in place of MXC on some days. I mean, sure I just bought the first season of MXC on DVD, but I'm used to having a late night fix of it.
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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2007, 09:45:49 AM »
I still think TNG was the best because of all of the Science and Engineering that was involved. That's really the corner stone of Star Trek is its use of technology and science and engineering to show what can be accomplished given time. As for looking for a Utopia, isn't that what us Orthodox look for after its all said and done?

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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2007, 11:32:28 AM »
I voted 'It wasn't bad, but wasn't that good either' and then saw that most here agree.

I grew up with a first-generation Trekkie and so know more about the original series than I usually care to admit. :) I got the archons/Landru/'you're not of the body' thing. Captain Kirk/William Shatner is unfairly criticised: he was great in TOS and was a respected stage actor (Shakespeare at Stratford, Broadway... probably where the famous Shatnerian diction comes from) before 'joining Starfleet'. Handsome, the all-American hero (not bad for a Canadian): it worked. He didn't get too hammy until the movies (most of which were stupid IMO) IIRC. The brilliant, restrained, conflicted Mr Spock is one of the greatest TV characters invented. And Nurse Chapel was hot (which was of more interest to me than the ray-gun or philosophical stuff). :) There were a few good stories. Roddenberry wasn't trying to create real science fiction (but had a couple of talented writers) but used the aliens-and-ray guns stories to make points about present-day (1960s) society and politics: 'A Private Little War' was really about Vietnam for example. He reckoned if he wrapped it up in the trappings of kiddie sci-fi he could get away with it. That said as I grew up I went off it when I realised, as a magazine article pointed out, that the 'good guys', the Federation, were really totalitarians, as shown by Kirk violating 'the Prime Directive' of non-interference when he ran across an 'alien' culture he didn't like, spreading the American, erm, Federation way. The Federation was obviously 1960s America, the Enterprise its military. Oh, and the fact that most of the 'aliens' looked suspiciously human and spoke perfect English (sure, the 'universal translator'... shyeah, right... you've never met these people before; the gizmo won't work!) got to me.

'TNG' was pretty well done, nice effects, some good stories and some likeable and even world-class actors, and the Kirkian approach was ditched in favour of the Prime Directive. This Federation was more like the EU or UN with some teeth than the US. Riker seemed like the executive officer (deputy captain... 'Number One' comes from the British Navy; Roddenberry loved the Hornblower stories of C.S. Forester) of a real Navy ship, the tough disciplinarian doing the captain's dirty work in that department. Gates McFadden reminded me of an old girlfriend. :) Big step up: having an actual international cast (thanks to better transport and a bigger budget?) not just North Americans doing vaudeville-like stage accents ('Kyeptin!' or 'Ye canna break the laws of physics'). But the human, English-speaking aliens were still a problem. From here on they usually had foam rubber glued to their foreheads, a go at realism I imagine. Worf was kind of a cutout ('A warrior' blah blah blah).

'DS9' had potential, like the bar scene in Star Wars as a whole series, rough and un-'Trek'-like. But I think it went downhill into 'space opera' and typical Trekness. Didn't watch much of it. Terry Farrell was lovely; Nana Visitor wasn't bad either. René Auberjonois as Odo the shape-shifter was a nice touch. I liked the one where Quark and his nephew were the Roswell aliens and the implanted translator gizmos in them didn't work so the Army people and we were totally lost hearing them speak Ferengi.

The Maquis were cool: the libertarians of this allegory, pointing out that the Federation weren't necessarily the good guys. (That and Michelle Forbes was a knockout.)

'Voyager', from what little I saw of it, had as a cartoonist said plots that were a cross between 'Battlestar Galactica' and 'Gilligan's Island'. Expected Kate Mulgrew at any time to whip out a captain's hat and whomp the blond guy, Paris, with it. Couldn't buy into the black Vulcan ('the brother from another planet', 'Tuvok Shakur'): I think the Vulcans and Romulans - who are cool - are supposed to be based on the Japanese. The holographic doctor (with a 'tude!) was a nice touch and Kes was adorable. Liked how her character ended up, kind of apotheosised. I understood Jeri Ryan's appeal but didn't feel that way.

'Enterprise' had some potential but as far as I could tell from what little I saw it was typical 'TNG'-ish cash-cow stuff. Didn't look retro. Liked having Hoshi, a linguist, in the crew, finally acknowledging that they are trying to talk to aliens. Jolene Blalock as a sex symbol was overrated.

Roddenberry was militantly anti-religious but I understand that changed in the shows after he died: the Bajorans' (Michelle Forbes' people) faith got some respect for example.
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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2007, 03:04:14 PM »
I havn't read every post, but most of them.  I have to put my 2 cents in. 

I HATE VOYAGER!!!!!  IT IS THE MOST HORRIBLE STAR-TREK EVER!!!!! 

DS9 is the most amazing one.  TNG was good too, but I LOVE DS9. Its so awesome! 
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« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2007, 10:25:12 PM »
Don't keep it in. Let us know how you *really* feel.

 ;) :D

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« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2007, 10:26:04 PM »
I HATE VOYAGER!!!!!  IT IS THE MOST HORRIBLE STAR-TREK EVER!!!!! 

Two words:

Spock's Brain.




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« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2007, 10:26:46 PM »
Resistance is Futile >:(

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« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2007, 10:31:10 PM »
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Captain Kirk/William Shatner is unfairly criticised: he was great in TOS and was a respected stage actor (Shakespeare at Stratford, Broadway... probably where the famous Shatnerian diction comes from) before 'joining Starfleet'. Handsome, the all-American hero (not bad for a Canadian): it worked. He didn't get too hammy until the movies (most of which were stupid IMO) IIRC. The brilliant, restrained, conflicted Mr Spock is one of the greatest TV characters invented. And Nurse Chapel was hot (which was of more interest to me than the ray-gun or philosophical stuff).

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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2007, 10:31:22 PM »
Resistance is Futile >:(

If less then 1 Ohm..

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« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2007, 10:39:02 PM »
If less then 1 Ohm..

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And if greater than 1 Ohm....IT IS NO LONGER FUTILE!!! 

That may have been implied... ???    ;)
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« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2007, 10:40:17 PM »
Don't keep it in. Let us know how you *really* feel.

 ;) :D

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Well now that you mention it....

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« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2007, 11:27:55 PM »
Well now that you mention it....

(answer pending...could take a while, I want to come up with something really whimsical!  Or I may just add exclamation points next time, hopefully this will sufice for the grand Archon)

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« Reply #62 on: January 10, 2007, 11:37:23 PM »
Worf was a fun character :) Sometimes just a look from him was laugh out loud funny. At other times, just a single word rom him made you laugh (e.g., when he is greedily eating Riker's eggs on the Enterprise, and looks at up his astonished shipmates, and says in his deep, matter of face voice: "delicious".)
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« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2007, 05:34:21 PM »
Remember

"I am *not* a Merry Man." ?

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« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2007, 11:52:13 AM »
I was looking back at this thread and noticed that it has been tagged with "heretical".  I'm not sure why unless it is could be from a rabid "Star Wars" fan.  ;D ;)

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« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2007, 03:03:08 PM »
Hmm, or perhaps someone who can't fathom there being any legit Star Trek other than the original. I've come across such people (my Dad is one actually) and they seem rather like KJV-only people in their stance.  8)
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« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2007, 03:06:24 PM »
Hmm, or perhaps someone who can't fathom there being any legit Star Trek other than the original. I've come across such people (my Dad is one actually) and they seem rather like KJV-only people in their stance.  8)

Ah! Good thought.  You could be right on that.  (and an interesting and amusing comparison to KJV-only-ism).

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« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2013, 06:58:13 PM »
Resistance is Futile >:(

Resistance if fertile.  8)
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« Reply #69 on: September 22, 2013, 07:01:05 PM »
Two Bumps
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« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2013, 08:42:07 AM »
With the re-awakening of this thread it struck me that there was no mention of ST: Enterprise.  I'm catching up with them on Netflix and and a good bit through the 1st season.  There were some quite decent stories and characters in that one. The theme song was a bit jarring/out of pattern.  But there was some interesting consideration of such things as the very first encounters with some aliens such as the Andorians and the Ferengi.
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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2013, 09:08:10 PM »
With the re-awakening of this thread it struck me that there was no mention of ST: Enterprise.  I'm catching up with them on Netflix and and a good bit through the 1st season.  There were some quite decent stories and characters in that one. The theme song was a bit jarring/out of pattern.  But there was some interesting consideration of such things as the very first encounters with some aliens such as the Andorians and the Ferengi.

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« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2013, 10:21:08 PM »
I haven't gotten to any where Captain Archer and his crew encounter any Borg and I've only seen the first one with the Ferengi.  But I thought that it had some interesting points about how they interact with each other and it showed some differences within the race.  There Andorians are interesting (and I saw "Journey to Babel" with the first Andorian when it first aired) and complex. I also like that the tech has advanced that their antennae move... so I'm a Geek, you knew that.  ;)

So far I haven't seen any that were scraping any barrels.  "Spock's Brain" "The Omega Glory"  those were ummmm not high on the heap.

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« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2013, 10:24:10 PM »
First 50 Rules of acquisition:

 Once you have their money ... never give it back.
Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to.
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Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
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Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
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« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2013, 10:27:15 PM »
 :)  Thanks Marc
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« Reply #75 on: September 24, 2013, 10:35:32 PM »
I used to have a book of the Rules of Acquisition... though I was let down that it didn't actually have all the rules.
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« Reply #76 on: September 24, 2013, 10:43:16 PM »
Btw, I'm not sure why the poll now has two options for "It wasn't bad, but wasn't that good either." I assume the first one was originally a completely negative one ("It stinks" or something), and somehow it got changed during a server problem, as has happened with other polls on the site. I could be wrong, but I would imagine that's the case.  ???
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« Reply #77 on: September 24, 2013, 10:45:32 PM »
I enjoyed it. I thought it was good. Voyager was a lot better than TNG, but my hatred of that series is no secret  ;D

I loved the cheesiness of it! Cheesiness is part of what makes Sci-Fi great! Farscape anyone?

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« Reply #78 on: September 24, 2013, 10:47:28 PM »
I used to have a book of the Rules of Acquisition... though I was let down that it didn't actually have all the rules.

It's like the "Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries"  in the Schlock Mercenary SF web comic by Howard Tayler.  Only about half of them have been revealed as far as I know.
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« Reply #79 on: December 19, 2013, 07:38:29 PM »
I was going to start watching Enterprise tonight, but I couldn't pull the trigger. I just couldn't. Bakula may always just be "that Quantum Leap guy" to me  :-\  So anyway, I decided to work my way through Voyager from beginning to end instead (I already watch TNG and DS9 on a semi-regular basis.) Just got done with the first episode of ST:V. I had to take a break about 4 times. Though that was partially my own fault and not the show. Still, this may be a long 129 hours of television for me.
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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #80 on: December 19, 2013, 09:19:11 PM »
I was going to start watching Enterprise tonight, but I couldn't pull the trigger. I just couldn't. Bakula may always just be "that Quantum Leap guy" to me  :-\  So anyway, I decided to work my way through Voyager from beginning to end instead (I already watch TNG and DS9 on a semi-regular basis.) Just got done with the first episode of ST:V. I had to take a break about 4 times. Though that was partially my own fault and not the show. Still, this may be a long 129 hours of television for me.

I never could get into Enterprise after enjoying Voyager, DS9, and TNG, it seems I was not the only one, I was not sure at the time, because I was going through difficult issues at home.
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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #81 on: December 20, 2013, 09:02:10 AM »
I liked Voyager ok once Seven of Nine came on. Her character had some depth.

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Re: Star Trek: Voyager
« Reply #82 on: December 21, 2013, 01:55:51 PM »
I liked Voyager ok once Seven of Nine came on. Her character had some depth.

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