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The Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Enhypostasia
« on: December 10, 2006, 03:55:44 AM »
In relation to Christology, what is the Eastern Orthodox doctrine of enhypostasia? And what are the subsantial differences between enhypostasia and anhypostasia?                                                                                                                                           
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Re: The Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Enhypostasia
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2006, 10:07:01 AM »
In relation to Christology, what is the Eastern Orthodox doctrine of enhypostasia?
It relates to the Human Nature of Christ as being En="in", "Hypostasis= "person"
There are several ways to understand it. The Human Nature of Christ being "enhypostatic" means that It is in-personal rather than impersonal. In other words, the Logos became a Man rather than simply "assumed Manhood", i.e. the Pre-eternal Logos enhypostasised a complete Human Nature. "Anhypostatic" means "without hypostasis"; and another way of looking at this and contrasting enhypostasia with anhypostasia  is that the Pre-existing Hypostasis of the Logos assumed for Himself a perfect and complete Human Nature which has no independent hypostasis of it's own (i.e is anhypostatic), but rather, the self-conscious "I" of Christ's human Nature exists only within the Divine Hypostasis (i.e. is enhypostatic). The self-conscious "I" of Christ's Human Nature is the One Hypostasis of the Theanthropos. Christ is One Hypostasis, not two, and the natural self-consciousness of Christ's Human Nature also experienced Christ's Self as One Hypostasis, not two.
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Re: The Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Enhypostasia
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2006, 04:27:17 PM »
In the end, both enhypostasia and anhypostasia seem to be legitimately Orthodox.
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Re: The Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Enhypostasia
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2006, 05:12:05 PM »
In the end, both enhypostasia and anhypostasia seem to be legitimately Orthodox.
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"Legitimately Orthodox" in what sense? You speak of them as though they are doctrines in themselves rather than terms used to describe a doctrine. What you have just said makes about as much sense as saying that "Both the cardinal numbers one and three are Orthodox" on the "basis" that these numbers are used to describe the Trinity. But to say "God is three Natures in one hypostasis" is certainly not Orthodox.
It's not the words themselves which are "Orthodox" but rather, how they are used.
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Re: The Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Enhypostasia
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2006, 01:22:15 AM »
Apparently, Oriental Orthodoxy would lean toward anhypostasia while Eastern Orthodox would lean toward enhypostasia. Since I do not make judgment calls against either church's Christology, I'd consider both to be equally Orthodox in their respective understandings.
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Re: The Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Enhypostasia
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2006, 09:21:10 AM »
Apparently, Oriental Orthodoxy would lean toward anhypostasia while Eastern Orthodox would lean toward enhypostasia.
As I explained, "enhypostasia" and "anhypostasis" are not "doctrines" in themselves. You cannot "lean towards" one or the other. The issue is how you use these words.

Since I do not make judgment calls against either church's Christology, I'd consider both to be equally Orthodox in their respective understandings.
You seem to have missed an entire point. They cannot be "Orthodox" any more than the colour blue can be "Orthodox". "Enhypostasic" and "anhypostasic" are simply adjectives. They are not doctrines in themselves. To make any sense (look who I'm talking to about "making sense"!) you have to tell us what it is that you consider enhypostatic or anhypostatic.
And why should anyone care that you "consider both to be equally Orthodox in their respective understandings" when you don't even know what the terms mean or how they are used? What possible weight could your opinion carry when you don't even know what you're talking about? That would be like listening to a blind man's comparison of the shape of two clouds!
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Re: The Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Enhypostasia
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2006, 11:29:19 PM »
Apparently, Oriental Orthodoxy would lean toward anhypostasia while Eastern Orthodox would lean toward enhypostasia.

Ummm...I believe it's the other way around.  St. Severus expounded what people may call "enhypostasia" while EO's tend to lean towards "anhypostasia," although research shows that Leontius of Byzantium really described "enhypostasia."

Either way, like George said, they only describe doctrines, and when one gets to the meat of the matter, I've always seen them as quite the same.

Fr. V.C. Samuel goes into some depth about it when comparing between St. John of Damascus and St. Severus of Antioch (notice how both seem to originate from Syria  :) ).

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Re: The Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Enhypostasia
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2006, 04:15:52 AM »
Ummm...I believe it's the other way around.  St. Severus expounded what people may call "enhypostasia" while EO's tend to lean towards "anhypostasia," although research shows that Leontius of Byzantium really described "enhypostasia."

Either way, it's all the same to me.  8)

Fr. V.C. Samuel goes into some depth about it when comparing between St. John of Damascus and St. Severus of Antioch (notice how both seem to originate from Syria  :) ).

I finished reading that book, but perhaps I need to still work on my technical terms. I'm also going to read Christology After Chalcedon.
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Re: The Eastern Orthodox doctrine of Enhypostasia
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2006, 11:44:53 AM »
Either way, it's all the same to me.  8)

It's all Greek to me  ;)
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