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Jesus in the Old Testament???
« on: December 09, 2006, 12:07:47 AM »
In the Old Testament, when God spoke to the Hebrews, was it God the Father speaking or Jesus before His incarnation?

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Re: Jesus in the Old Testament???
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2006, 12:33:35 AM »
Jesus. YHWH is the Logos.
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Re: Jesus in the Old Testament???
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2006, 12:40:15 AM »
Is this because the Father is unknowable except through the Son?
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Re: Jesus in the Old Testament???
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2006, 12:49:10 AM »
Is this because the Father is unknowable except through the Son?

Exactly--he's the image of the invisible God as per St Paul.
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Re: Jesus in the Old Testament???
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2006, 02:43:27 AM »
YHWH is the Logos.

Is the Name not common to the three Persons? 

If belonging to one only, I would have assumed the Father.

As for Old Testament manifestations of the Trinity, I recall hearing somewhere that the pillar of fire that led the Israelites could be construed to be the second Person.

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Re: Jesus in the Old Testament???
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2006, 02:46:16 AM »
We could protract this discussion further.  Since Dustin appears knowledgeable of the matter, maybe he could fashion a list of O.T. divine manifestations and identify the Persons according to the common opinions of the Fathers or the Church's traditional take on the matter.

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Re: Jesus in the Old Testament???
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2006, 05:13:54 PM »
Is the Name not common to the three Persons? 

If belonging to one only, I would have assumed the Father.

You will find on pretty much all Orthodox icons of Christ the Greek words "O WN" inscribed within His halo, which correspond to the aforementioned Hebrew Name of God.

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Re: Jesus in the Old Testament???
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2006, 07:18:51 PM »
I have seen the same in the case of the Father and Holy Spirit -- in Russian iconography was it, I think, which would explain why the Father was depicted? -- so it would seem the Name is properly attributed to all Three, obviously so since its meaning is applicable to Them all.

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Re: Jesus in the Old Testament???
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2006, 08:13:30 PM »
I am working on the goal of reading the entire Old Testament, and am now on the book of Numbers. It's much more easy for me to follow knowing that it is Christ before His incarnation speaking, rather than the words of a pre-Christian Jewish mythology.
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