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Augustine and Anselm
« on: December 04, 2006, 08:57:29 PM »
If St. Augustine was to read the works of Anselm, what would be his reaction?  Was everything that Anselm wrote agreeable with St. Augustine?

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Re: Augustine and Anselm
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2007, 07:05:16 PM »
bump...just hoping some people wouldn't forget

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Re: Augustine and Anselm
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 08:56:37 PM »
If St. Augustine was to read the works of Anselm, what would be his reaction?

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Was everything that Anselm wrote agreeable with St. Augustine?

Agreeable? I don't know. The same? Absolutely not. Here are just a few things I imagine that Augustine would either be surprised by or dislike:

1) The relative lack of scriptural references and biblical allusions in Monologion. (If Jerome's translation of the much-disputed-divinely-caused plant in Jonah 4:6 as hederam was enough to make Augustine lambaste him as a heretic (and for Augustine's congregation to riot), then I imagine Augustine would be more than a little peeved at Anselm's Lanfrancian tendencies).

2) The Anslemian emphasis on preservation of honor, which he (Anselm) took for granted because of the nature of contemporary feudal society (i.e. mankind’s relationship to God is like the relationship between a vassal and his manorial lord).

3) In Cur Deus Homo, Anselm discusses Augustine's explanation of the Incarnation (the so-called devil's rights theory) and finds it substantially wanting.
But for I am a man not textueel I wol noght telle of textes neuer a deel. (Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale, 1.131)

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Re: Augustine and Anselm
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 11:52:33 PM »
Finally, someone writes back  ;D

Number 2 is an interesting one.  I was more interested in the issue around salvation and Original Sin.  The "Honor" thing can be one thing.  Would have St. Augustine agreed with Anselm that when man sins, it's an infinite sin against God?  Would St. Augustine even consider that Original Sin or Guilt itself was "infinite?"

Are are anything in his writings indicative of actually condemning the "Honor" issue and "Infinite Sin?"

Thank you.

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Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.