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« on: December 02, 2006, 02:36:31 AM »

I am a Sedevacantist Catholic at present. This means that I do not acknowledge the postVatII antipopes as real bishops. I regard JPII as an apostate. I also anathemize the Novus Ordo Supper Service. However, I do not fit in with the traditional RC crowd, as I have found some problems with historical RCism. I thought about the EO but I would rather not commune with unholiness. The biggest problem I have is with postCalcedonian scholastic Christo-logic a la JohnDamascene. So I might convert to the OO. Last week I watched a video of an OO teen group that participated in Protestant "charismatic" abominations. This was disheartening. I hope it was an isolated incident.
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2006, 03:01:47 AM »

I fear, Nonchal, that your search for the True Church will never come to completion, as long as there are other sects out there.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2006, 01:29:30 PM »

I am a Sedevacantist Catholic at present. This means that I do not acknowledge the postVatII antipopes as real bishops. I regard JPII as an apostate. I also anathemize the Novus Ordo Supper Service. However, I do not fit in with the traditional RC crowd, as I have found some problems with historical RCism. I thought about the EO but I would rather not commune with unholiness. The biggest problem I have is with postCalcedonian scholastic Christo-logic a la JohnDamascene. So I might convert to the OO. Last week I watched a video of an OO teen group that participated in Protestant "charismatic" abominations. This was disheartening. I hope it was an isolated incident.

wow, so perhaps you're already a member of the http://www.truecatholic.org/ sect...I knew you'd be a good fit.

But essentially what you're telling us here is that, no, you're not a catholic, just a protestant who appreciates the Tridentine Mass. Got it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2006, 01:34:41 PM »

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I thought about the EO but I would rather not commune with unholiness.

We have a serious unholiness problem at my parish.  So much so that a program of confession and absolution was instituted.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2006, 01:05:03 AM »

I am a Sedevacantist Catholic at present. This means that I do not acknowledge the postVatII antipopes as real bishops. I regard JPII as an apostate. I also anathemize the Novus Ordo Supper Service. However, I do not fit in with the traditional RC crowd, as I have found some problems with historical RCism. I thought about the EO but I would rather not commune with unholiness. The biggest problem I have is with postCalcedonian scholastic Christo-logic a la JohnDamascene. So I might convert to the OO. Last week I watched a video of an OO teen group that participated in Protestant "charismatic" abominations. This was disheartening. I hope it was an isolated incident.
I am curios. Do you at present consider yourself more of a Catholic Christian or an Oriental Orthodox Christian?
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2006, 01:25:06 AM »

Please take other debate here and also watch it.  If I find it becomes too aggressive towards one poster or starts it involve Chacledon it will be moved or closed.  Use this as a topic to perhaps talk about sedevacantisim and similar issues.
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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2006, 01:49:15 AM »

Interesting to see this thread pop up that I didnt start.

Papist,

I am a double papist. What unites the two churches is that both are against the EO communion, against the falsley so-called New Rome ie Constantinople, against its "Ecumenical Patriarch," and against the Eastern emperors. Right now I am sorting through postChalcedonianism. Until I come to an absolutely definite final conclusion I will remain a Coptic Catholic Sedevacantist. Then I will convert to the Coptic Orthodox Church under HisALLHolinessPopeShenoudaIII.
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2006, 02:19:46 AM »

I've been on Orthodox/Catholic boards for 5 years now, and that's the first time I've ever heard of a Coptic Catholic Sedevacantist!  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2006, 03:34:53 AM »

Lol,
Have you ever heard of a Celtic Coptic Catholic Sedevacantist though?  At least one not incorperated. Wink

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Right now I am sorting through postChalcedonianism. Until I come to an absolutely definite final conclusion I will remain a Coptic Catholic Sedevacantist. Then I will convert to the Coptic Orthodox Church under HisALLHolinessPopeShenoudaIII.
Perhaps, it was a psycological slip or unintentional, but by judging your last sentence you have already came to a conclusion.
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2006, 06:16:41 AM »

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Perhaps, it was a psycological slip or unintentional, but by judging your last sentence you have already came to a conclusion.
Let's see. The Eastern Orthodox honorific for the Oecumenical Patriarch placed in front of the name of the Coptic Pope of Alexandria by a "Coptic  Catholic Sedevacantist" who supports SSPX......
I don't think I can see any "conclusion".
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2006, 06:20:34 AM »

What unites the two churches is that both are against the EO communion, against the falsley so-called New Rome ie Constantinople, against its "Ecumenical Patriarch," and against the Eastern emperors.
Christ's followers are defined by whom they love, not by whom they hate (John 13:35).
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2006, 06:49:27 AM »

nonchal,

I don't think the term panagios is used in an Oriental Orthodox context to qualify anyone other than the Holy Trinity and the Theotokos. We have no concept of an "Ecumenical Patriarch"; the Patriarch of Alexandria is just a Bishop like any other Bishop, apart from the fact he is the Bishop of a See.

Furthermore, our Church is not against any Church, and has quite good relations with most Churches, particularly the RC and EO Churches, regardless of any disagreements on doctrinal or other issues.

If you do end up converting to the Coptic Orthodox Church, I hope you do so for the right reasons.
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2006, 04:09:22 PM »

EA,

Well said.
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2006, 06:57:13 PM »

What unites the two churches is that both are against the EO communion, against the falsley so-called New Rome ie Constantinople, against its "Ecumenical Patriarch," and against the Eastern emperors. Right now I am sorting through postChalcedonianism. Until I come to an absolutely definite final conclusion I will remain a Coptic Catholic Sedevacantist. Then I will convert to the Coptic Orthodox Church under HisALLHolinessPopeShenoudaIII.

The only reason you're doing this is out of a personal vendetta of some kind. Such hate doesn't pop up like this, unless you're secretly an immortal Egyptian priest who was at Chalcedon (I'm not bringing that topic up for discussion, mind you). You are not converting out of love, only to spite people like me who venerate the sainted emperors.
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2006, 07:17:08 PM »

What unites the two churches is that both are against the EO communion, against the falsley so-called New Rome ie Constantinople, against its "Ecumenical Patriarch," and against the Eastern emperors. .

Uh, Constantinople is New Rome as named in the canons of the councils, specifically the second one of Constantinople in 381 A.D. and accepted by BOTH east and west.  Do your homework! Angry

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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2006, 07:49:08 PM »

What unites the two churches is that both are against the EO communion, against the falsley so-called New Rome ie Constantinople, against its "Ecumenical Patriarch," and against the Eastern emperors.

Well, let's see:

1. It was the Roman Empire,
2. The Emperor moved the Capital to Byzantium,
3. It was decided that since it was the captial of the Roman Empire it should be called Rome,
4. But there was already a Rome that had existed for quite some time,
5. Therefore they called it "New Rome."
So it wasn't "so-called" as if it were a fantasy... It really was New Rome - first in the Political sphere, then in the religious.

Ecumenical Patriarch is a pre-schism term.  Hate the emperors if you want - I don't care.
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