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« on: December 07, 2006, 10:59:51 AM »

When a man is ordained to the diaconate or priesthood, during the service the bishop shouts "Axios" (he is worthy) and the people respond in kind.  What would be the procedure if someone, God forbid, were to shout "ANaxios" (He is NOT worthy)?  Would the candidate have a chance to answer for himself? Would the ordination be delayed until further investigation could be made by the hierarch?  I've never seen this happen, and only have heard of it happening once in recent years.  Anyone know about this?

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2006, 11:20:09 AM »

Actually, what you've described is exactly what I've been told happens. If anyone shouts "Anaxios', the ordination is stopped at that point and an investigation started until the matter can be resolved.

I had heard of one case in the US when a person shouted 'Anaxios'. The ordination was stopped and the person in the crowd was taken to the hierarch and asked why he said anaxios---what evidence of unsuitability did he have?

Everyone was bracing themselves for evidence of criminal and immoral acts, but the person responded to the bishop that he thought that the candidate was an excellent choice for the clergy. Eventually it turned out the person thought 'Anaxios' meant 'Super Worthy' (kind of combining Anaphora, lifting somethig up to God, with the descriptor for worthiness) and so he meant it as a tribute, and was puzzled why everything stopped.

Was it a potential Archbishop of Greece who had his elevation stopped by someone saying 'Anaxios'? Was that in the 60's or something, and only after the man died was it found that the evidence had been falsified? Maybe this was a quasi-urban legend I heard somewhere...
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2006, 11:55:46 AM »

When a man is ordained to the diaconate or priesthood, during the service the bishop shouts "Axios" (he is worthy) and the people respond in kind.  What would be the procedure if someone, God forbid, were to shout "ANaxios" (He is NOT worthy)?  Would the candidate have a chance to answer for himself? Would the ordination be delayed until further investigation could be made by the hierarch?  I've never seen this happen, and only have heard of it happening once in recent years.  Anyone know about this?

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Let's start from the beginning... When the candidate is brought out, the clergymen who are escorting him say "Kelevson, Kelevsate, Kelevson Despota Agie, to nin prosferomenon soi," or, "Command (singular), Command (plural), Command (singular) Master Holy, the one brought before you."  This is the point in the service where commentary on the candidate's worthiness or unworthiness is to be made.  The first "Command" is to God, the second "Command" is to the people, and the third is to the hierarch.  If any one of the three has an objection, then the time when "command" is said is when it should take place - before the candidate has actually been ordained.

Now, if an objection has been brought up, it is the duty of the hierarch to investigate whatever claims are made.  If the claim is spurrious to begin with, he can continue with the ordination.  If there is credence to the claim, then it is his responsibility to investigate it.  The Liturgy should continue without the ordination in it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2006, 11:57:22 AM »

Was it a potential Archbishop of Greece who had his elevation stopped by someone saying 'Anaxios'? Was that in the 60's or something, and only after the man died was it found that the evidence had been falsified? Maybe this was a quasi-urban legend I heard somewhere...

This is the story that I had heard - a candidate for the Archdiocese of Athens had false charges brought up against him.  The ordination was stopped for good, and he went in disgrace to a monastery.  it was only after his death that they discovered that the charges were false.  Maybe it is an urban legend, but I have no proof one way or another.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2006, 01:56:23 PM »

Actually, what you've described is exactly what I've been told happens. If anyone shouts "Anaxios', the ordination is stopped at that point and an investigation started until the matter can be resolved.

I had heard of one case in the US when a person shouted 'Anaxios'. The ordination was stopped and the person in the crowd was taken to the hierarch and asked why he said anaxios---what evidence of unsuitability did he have?

Everyone was bracing themselves for evidence of criminal and immoral acts, but the person responded to the bishop that he thought that the candidate was an excellent choice for the clergy. Eventually it turned out the person thought 'Anaxios' meant 'Super Worthy' (kind of combining Anaphora, lifting somethig up to God, with the descriptor for worthiness) and so he meant it as a tribute, and was puzzled why everything stopped.

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2006, 06:45:42 PM »

I know of a Romanian priest whose wife, on her way back into Houston from a monastery, spotted a gas station with extraordinary low prices, and shouted without missing a beat "AXIOS!" (directed towards the gas station and its lovely prices)  Cheesy
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