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Offline Volnutt

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #225 on: August 21, 2011, 08:09:29 PM »
God the Father has never been revealed in human form, only as a voice (such as at the Baptism of Christ and at His Transfiguration). Iconography is concerned with the revelation of God, not with speculation or imagination.
The Ancient of Days in Daniel is clearly the Father and clearly a man with white hair and beard.

You will be told differently in this thread, I promise.
I've heard the view that The Ancient of Days in Daniel is Christ. It doesn't make any sense to me, though. Who then was the one like the Son of Man?


Nice avatar btw ;D!
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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #226 on: August 21, 2011, 08:12:05 PM »
God the Father has never been revealed in human form, only as a voice (such as at the Baptism of Christ and at His Transfiguration). Iconography is concerned with the revelation of God, not with speculation or imagination.
The Ancient of Days in Daniel is clearly the Father and clearly a man with white hair and beard.

You will be told differently in this thread, I promise.
I've heard the view that The Ancient of Days in Daniel is Christ. It doesn't make any sense to me, though. Who then was the one like the Son of Man?


Nice avatar btw ;D!

Thank you kindly!

Was your question re the Ancient of Days your one-thousand-three-hundred-and-thirthy-seventh post? Leet.
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The Episcopallian road is easy and wide, for many go through it to find destruction. lol sorry channeling Isa.

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #227 on: August 21, 2011, 08:13:01 PM »
The only versions I can find online all look like Christ to me, and by look I mean they all have the IC XC and OWN.

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #228 on: August 21, 2011, 08:14:26 PM »
1338, looks like.

I think my leet post was on the RC doctrine of the Assumption. :-\

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #229 on: August 21, 2011, 08:16:41 PM »
The only versions I can find online all look like Christ to me, and by look I mean they all have the IC XC and OWN.
I believe those are based on Revelation 1. I was always told the whole Trinity can be equally be called Ancient of Days (which is why I like Ethiopian Trinity icons).

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #230 on: August 21, 2011, 08:19:42 PM »
The only versions I can find online all look like Christ to me, and by look I mean they all have the IC XC and OWN.
I believe those are based on Revelation 1. I was always told the whole Trinity can be equally be called Ancient of Days (which is why I like Ethiopian Trinity icons).
Most likely are. I have an icon of the Apocalypse which contains that icon, though it doesn't label it "Ancient of Days".

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #231 on: August 21, 2011, 08:26:01 PM »
The Fathers and the Seventh Ecumenical Council allow the Father to be portrayed as the Ancient of Days.

Please see messages 186 and 187
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http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,10122.msg515769.html#msg515769

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #232 on: August 21, 2011, 08:31:43 PM »
The Fathers and the Seventh Ecumenical Council allow the Father to be portrayed as the Ancient of Days.

Please see messages 186 and 187
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http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,10122.msg515769.html#msg515769
I guess it depends on whether one would rather believe St. Nikodemos the Hagiorite or the 1666 Synod of the Hundred Chapters.
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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #233 on: August 21, 2011, 08:35:51 PM »
The Fathers and the Seventh Ecumenical Council allow the Father to be portrayed as the Ancient of Days.

Please see messages 186 and 187
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http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,10122.msg515769.html#msg515769
I guess it depends on whether one would rather believe St. Nikodemos the Hagiorite or the 1666 Synod of the Hundred Chapters.
The former was a local council, and dealt specifically with the running of the Russian Church. The 7th Ecumenical Council was, well ecumenical, and permitted the depiction. It does not force the depiction on any church.

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #234 on: August 21, 2011, 08:43:04 PM »
I agree. It doesn't seem like everyone does though.

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #235 on: August 21, 2011, 08:45:02 PM »
The Fathers and the Seventh Ecumenical Council allow the Father to be portrayed as the Ancient of Days.

Please see messages 186 and 187
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http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,10122.msg515769.html#msg515769
I guess it depends on whether one would rather believe St. Nikodemos the Hagiorite or the 1666 Synod of the Hundred Chapters.

The 1666 Moscow Council kind of looses out on a few of its major points which the Church has ignored.

1.  It forbids depictions of the Father as an old man

2.  It forbids depictions of the Spirit as a dove ( have I got that right?)

3.  It forbids the Baptism of Roman Catholics.

So.... an important Council but the Church has not implemented all its decrees.

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #236 on: August 21, 2011, 08:48:17 PM »
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2.  It forbids depictions of the Spirit as a dove ( have I got that right?)
You're asking me? I haven't read all it's decrees.
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So.... an important Council but the Church has not implemented all its decrees.
Indeed.

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #237 on: August 21, 2011, 08:50:39 PM »
It would be difficult to say that Holy Trinity monastery at Jordanville is ignorant of the controversy about the Trinity icon or about the 1666 Council --- 55 holy monks plus all the erudite seminary professors and seminarians.

And yet, there in the church, as its most revered patronal icon is the forbidden Trinity icon, kissed and venerated by pilgrims, kissed and venerated every day by the monks after Compline.

Ironically, the same monks in the bookstore who sell booklets which are anti this icon are also kissing it and prostrating before it every day!!

The photo below shows this icon on the right side of the church in its own free standing 'throne.'

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Re: Question about images of God the Father
« Reply #238 on: August 21, 2011, 08:54:34 PM »
Ironically, the same monks in the bookstore who sell booklets which are anti this icon are also kissing it and prostrating before it every day!!
Probably means they consider the matter a theolegoumenon.