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This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« on: November 04, 2006, 06:44:27 PM »
Again, I am flabbergasted at the apparent loss of hope of some people...

(FYI: he wasn't a Catholic priest)
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2434625,00.html

Priest burns himself to death over Islam

A retired priest committed suicide by setting himself on fire in a German monastery in protest at the spread of Islam and the Protestant Church’s inability to contain it.
Roland Weisselberg, 73, poured a can of petrol over his head and set light to himself in the grounds of the Augustine monastery in the eastern city of Erfurt, where Martin Luther spent six years as a monk at the beginning of the 16th century.

Witnesses said that Weisselberg climbed into a building site next to the monastery church, where a Reformation Day service was being held. He shouted “Jesus and Oskar” before the flames engulfed him. The latter name was an apparent reference to Oskar Brüsewitz, a priest who burnt himself in 1976 in protest against the Communist regime in East Germany. Monastery staff tried to put out the flames and Weisselberg was still conscious as a nun prayed with him before he was taken to hospital. He died a day later, on Wednesday.

Media reports said that he had tried to kill himself inside the church but changed his mind when he found the side door was locked.

The Provost of Erfurt, Elfriede Begrich, told reporters that Weisselberg’s widow had said that he killed himself because he was alarmed at the spread of Islam and the Church’s stance on the issue.

She described Weisselberg as an erudite man who had addressed repeatedly the Church’s position on Islam in meetings over the past three to four years. He had written to her, urging her to take the matter more seriously, she said.

The Protestant Bishop of Saxony, Axel Noack, said the suicide had shocked the community and that he hoped it would not hurt relations between Christians and Muslims.

“We in the East are still among ourselves when we discuss Islam,” said Bishop Noack, adding that there were not many Muslims in the area.

Relations with Muslims have been a matter of intense debate in Germany in recent months, stoked by the cancellation of a Mozart opera in Berlin amid fears that it could provoke Muslim violence, and a speech by the Pope in September in which he quoted from a medieval text linking the spread of the Islamic faith to violence.

The Berlin Deutsche Oper has said that it will stage the opera, which has a scene showing the severed heads of the Prophet Muhammad, Jesus and Buddha.
 
 
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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2006, 08:40:11 PM »
This is really sad.  We just can't give up hope like this....

I didn't realize that the Berlin Deutsche Oper was so liberal...i've never heard of a Mozart opera which had severed heads...

I expected better from them actually. 
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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2006, 01:37:57 AM »
This is really sad.  We just can't give up hope like this....

I didn't realize that the Berlin Deutsche Oper was so liberal...i've never heard of a Mozart opera which had severed heads...

I expected better from them actually. 
Again, I am flabbergasted at the apparent loss of hope of some people...

Yes, I agree with everything what you have said. May God forgive this priest's suicide.

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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2006, 02:04:41 AM »
What is happening in Germany is indeed very sad, I was there last september. Everything was fine, but almost everybody there is Turkish, Somalian, Afghan and Cypriot-Muslim.

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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2008, 12:06:04 AM »
What is happening in Germany is indeed very sad, I was there last September. Everything was fine, but almost everybody there is Turkish, Somalian, Afghan and Cypriot-Muslim.

The incursion of Islam into Europe has been happening for quite some time now.  I have been to the middle-east where Christians have no rights under Islamic despots making the believers that much more devout.  In Germany and other European countries, apathy is the killer.  Youths do not stay in their parent's churches because of the marginal theology offered to them.  Islam demands something of the faithful, which is a very strong draw to the amoral tides at wash over the continent.  Orthodoxy could and should supplant this trend and call these same inquirers toward the true Church.  Will it happen? I don't know, but can only pray for the believers who remain.
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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 12:18:22 AM »
I was in Germany and Austria this past summer and I was astonished to see how many Muslims (both Arab and non) there were.  The accommodations these people are given by the secular society is astronomical.  I couldn't believe that, while I was in Munich, the Muslim call to prayer.  I asked someone who lived there who said that it happens every now and then but if things keep going, everyone will hear that same call five times a day.  Germany and these other western European nations are in denial if they don't see the spread of Islam and their demands for sharia law as detrimental to the freedoms they enjoy.  Unfortunately this priest's message will be ignored in favor of how he died.  But Euopre has to wake up sometime...I hope.
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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2008, 02:10:31 AM »
That's the oddest thing to read about a clergy man , to commit suicide..you would think he would known better,and what scripture say's of one taking ones own life no matter how bad it gets.....im suprised he didn't stick around for martyrdom instead of committing suicide....
 A german friend of mine said there's about 2 millon truks and 1 million kurds and abunch other muslim nationalities ,,also a whole mess of bosnian muslims....SmileyCentral.com" border="0
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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2008, 04:21:38 AM »
This is devastating news indeed! Desperation and exasperation have led this poor minister of Christ's Gospel to death.

This priest was most probably unaware of Christ's following statement:

Luke 18:8
Yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?

He probably did not know that Jesus also said many people would be misled by false teachers and prophets and few would be saved.

History will repeat itself and Christ's true followers will be persecuted before the coming of the great day. In His time His disicples were martyred and persecuted by some Jews, and before His glorious descent His followers will be persecuted by Muslims.

May this priest rest in peace and light. Amen.






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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2008, 11:10:46 AM »
Absolutely heartbreaking. Lord have mercy.
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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2008, 06:33:01 PM »
This is devastating news indeed! Desperation and exasperation have led this poor minister of Christ's Gospel to death.

This priest was most probably unaware of Christ's following statement:

Luke 18:8
Yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?

He probably did not know that Jesus also said many people would be misled by false teachers and prophets and few would be saved.

History will repeat itself and Christ's true followers will be persecuted before the coming of the great day. In His time His disicples were martyred and persecuted by some Jews, and before His glorious descent His followers will be persecuted by Muslims.

May this priest rest in peace and light. Amen.









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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2008, 12:36:11 PM »
This makes me very sad... I was in Erfurt in 2005, and in fact visited the church they speak of.  Our tour guides had a lot to say about how strong the culture of Lutheranism is there, how proud they are of their history and their association with Martin Luther.  It surprises me that this happened there, as that Lutheran influence is so strong.  I didn't see hide or hair of Muslim influence, but, of course, I was only there for the food (literally- it was a culinary school trip for the culinary olympics in Eisenach- about an hour away from Erfurt).  I wasn't paying a lot of attention to the Lutheran stuff outside of our tours.
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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2008, 04:30:56 PM »

Zdravo brate ..dobro dosao ovde......Hello Brother nice to see your post over here....hows thing s over there....i read quite a lot of your posts and the other ones there,
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Zdravo i tebi, brate.  ;)

Nothing unusual there. I am still trying to respond to planten's silly posts. There are fewer Muslims posters there now than before.

I shall keep up the fight as long as my Lord asks me to.

Blessings to you.


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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2008, 09:20:51 PM »
This makes me very sad... I was in Erfurt in 2005, and in fact visited the church they speak of.  Our tour guides had a lot to say about how strong the culture of Lutheranism is there, how proud they are of their history and their association with Martin Luther.  It surprises me that this happened there, as that Lutheran influence is so strong.  I didn't see hide or hair of Muslim influence, but, of course, I was only there for the food (literally- it was a culinary school trip for the culinary olympics in Eisenach- about an hour away from Erfurt).  I wasn't paying a lot of attention to the Lutheran stuff outside of our tours.

Higher Criticism/Modernism/Liberalism (philosophical naturalism applied to scriptural interpretation) killed Lutheranism in Germany a long time ago.

Modern Germany is nothing more than an Atheistic republic........that will soon die. The false culture of Materialism has people seeking personal pleasure over "procreation".


Atheists are filled with the pride that they can't be wrong, and this is one of their many downfalls. For something is nocking at their door, but they are too bizzy mocking various forms of christianity to care. They seemed more worried about the wrongs that some christians have commited in the past than looking at the real problem in the near future.







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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2008, 07:18:02 AM »
This makes me very sad... I was in Erfurt in 2005, and in fact visited the church they speak of.  Our tour guides had a lot to say about how strong the culture of Lutheranism is there, how proud they are of their history and their association with Martin Luther.  It surprises me that this happened there, as that Lutheran influence is so strong.  I didn't see hide or hair of Muslim influence, but, of course, I was only there for the food (literally- it was a culinary school trip for the culinary olympics in Eisenach- about an hour away from Erfurt).  I wasn't paying a lot of attention to the Lutheran stuff outside of our tours.

Higher Criticism/Modernism/Liberalism (philosophical naturalism applied to scriptural interpretation) killed Lutheranism in Germany a long time ago.

Modern Germany is nothing more than an Atheistic republic........that will soon die. The false culture of Materialism has people seeking personal pleasure over "procreation".


Atheists are filled with the pride that they can't be wrong, and this is one of their many downfalls. For something is nocking at their door, but they are too bizzy mocking various forms of christianity to care. They seemed more worried about the wrongs that some christians have commited in the past than looking at the real problem in the near future.







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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2008, 02:46:41 PM »
I agree.
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Re: This Is Just So Very Wrong...
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2008, 10:39:17 PM »

Modern Germany is nothing more than an Atheistic republic........that will soon die.


Been in Germany a number of times. Really like the country. God willing, somehow the situation will be resolved with much better outcome.

Strongly agree with everything else.