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Do the Orthodox consider Holy Baptism to be 'indelible" (to use the Western terminology), that is once validly received it cannot be repeated? Hence the term "conditional"..
I have never seen any of these statements by SCOBA (not that they don't exist). Regardless, SCOBA is what it is - a conference. They're not the Church or the American uber-Synod. They don't really make binding (to use an RC word) orders or statements.
The practice of our Church, the Orthodox Church in America, and that of the Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church of North America ("The Metropolia"), as likewise that of the Russian Mission and Missionary Diocese and Archdiocese that preceded them, in the matter of the reception of heretics is very clear: it is the practice that obtains and has obtained in the Russian Church for centuries, at least since the time of Peter the Great.
I think your statement of "whole parts of the OCA calling for rebaptizing" is both innacurate and an overreaction.
Which leads into my question: do Orthodox ever "conditionally" baptise someone in case there is a question as to the validity of thier first baptism?
Do any of you think for one second that Christ would condemn anyone simply because they were sprinkled instead of dunked?!!!!!! It is the ACT of Baptism - the CONFESSION of belief that is important and not the specific way it was done.I reject this teaching from any Church.
Do any of you think for one second that Christ would condemn anyone simply because they were sprinkled instead of dunked?!!!!!! It is the ACT of Baptism - the CONFESSION of belief that is important and not the specific way it was done.I reject this teaching from any Church.BTW - On my flight out to Sacramento from DC, I sat beside 2 Pentecostal Ukranian preachers. They have lived in the US for 15 years and we were talking about Orthodoxy. BOTH of these men REFUSED to say anything bad about the Orthodox - their reaction was "Christ tells us not to judge one another. The IMPORTANT thing is that one is a Christian"
I wasn't reffering to the mode (immersion, effusion) of Baptism, I was reffering to the intention of the celebrant of the sacrament and/or the recipient. If one is baptised in a non-Trinitarian denomination, i.e. Jehovah's Witnesses, I'm not sure that baptism would be a valid Christian baptism. Other factors such as the denomination's belief re:original sin, baptismal regeneration etc would come into play in deciding if the person should have a conditional baptism.
But we have to be faithful to what he instituted: baptism by triple immersion.
Yeah I actually think Christ gives a hoot that we be baptized correctly.
Guess you've left the Church. TomΣ
No. I am trying to help the Church shed the remnants of its misguided Roman Catholic heritage.And I am happy to say that it is working:http://www.goarch.org/en/news/releases/articles/release9004.asp
Yep. Everyone has read the dismal news. Guess you and the EP have been sniffin' some powerful incense together. Wanna' bet real money he backs down?BUT, you've done well. You've helped me make up my mind:Baptize EVERYONE - full triple dunkings.Thanks pal,
Why does he need to back down? The "world" Orthodox Churches have been doing this for years. Everyone who admits to the truth knows this.
:rofl:TRUTH?The only "truth" I've read from you in the last two weeks is your admission you were really a Protestant.Now THAT, I believe.
THIS IS NOT SHEDDING ROMAN CATHOLIC HERITAGE. This is making Orthodoxy BECOME MORE ROMAN CATHOLIC by accepting THEIR ideas about grace outside the Church, their ideas about baptism by pouring, etc etc etc.
Although I was referring more to the "made up traditions" of the ancient Church. Such as the "worship" of Mary.
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