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 91 
 on: Today at 05:40:42 AM 
Started by Nephi - Last post by LBK
According to the website that sells this:
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The Arabic Inscription reads, "Abraham, the Friend of God," which is how Muslims often refer to him. The Hebrew inscription is taken from Genesis and reads "Abraham, the Father of many Nations."


I would still like confirmation that this is the case.  Wink

 92 
 on: Today at 05:39:35 AM 
Started by Porter ODoran - Last post by Quinault
Glory to God! Meriam is free!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28460383


 93 
 on: Today at 05:39:25 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by LBK
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Again, this has already happened, if the departed is numbered amongst God's servants.

If is the crucial word here. Again, Orthodoxy does not assume to know the fate of the departed. The term God's servant refers to them being baptized into the Church. It does not assume that they will be numbered among the righteous.

 94 
 on: Today at 05:36:00 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by LBK
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This is a precious and true thought, but (to us Protestants) it seems superfluous to pray for it, because the prayer identifies the departed as one of God's servants, and therefore such rest in Paradise while he or she awaits the resurrection of the body is guaranteed anyway. There is no need to pray for what is already in possession.

You misunderstand the prayer. It is asking God to number the departed person among the saints. We do not presume the final fate of anyone, but leave it in God's hands.

 95 
 on: Today at 05:29:49 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by David Young
All will be raised from the dead at the Second Coming. However, God will judge us all, and sort us out as righteous or unrighteous.

Indeed. Amen.

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O God of spirits and all flesh, who trampled down death and crushed the devil, ... Lord, give rest to the soul of Your servant N., ... in a place of light, a place of green pasture, a place of refreshment, whence pain, grief and sighing have fled away

This is a precious and true thought, but (to us Protestants) it seems superfluous to pray for it, because the prayer identifies the departed as one of God's servants, and therefore such rest in Paradise while he or she awaits the resurrection of the body is guaranteed anyway. There is no need to pray for what is already in possession.

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Pardon, O God, as You are good and love mankind, every sin committed by him/her in word or deed or thought,

Again, this has already happened, if the departed is numbered amongst God's servants.

We therefore make prayer or thanksgiving for these things, in this life, but once the person has departed and is "with Christ, which is far better," prayer for the granting of such blessings is superfluous.

(And now this conversation must end or be suspended, for I must needs go out. Thank you for your thoughts.)

 96 
 on: Today at 05:20:51 AM 
Started by Nephi - Last post by hecma925
According to the website that sells this:
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The Arabic Inscription reads, "Abraham, the Friend of God," which is how Muslims often refer to him. The Hebrew inscription is taken from Genesis and reads "Abraham, the Father of many Nations."

 97 
 on: Today at 04:55:23 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by LBK

Again, I will refer you to NT scripture that you accept as canonical:

St. Peter prayed for Tabitha after she had died.

Selam

Quite so. But when you pray to the departed, are you (like Peter here, and the other examples) praying that they will be raised from the dead? If not, the examples are not germane to this discussion, surely.

All will be raised from the dead at the Second Coming. However, God will judge us all, and sort us out as righteous or unrighteous. Our prayers express the hope that the departed will take their place among the righteous.

Some prayers and hymns from the Orthodox funeral and memorial services:

O God of spirits and all flesh, who trampled down death and crushed the devil, giving life to Your world; Lord, give rest to the soul of Your servant N., who has fallen asleep, in a place of light, a place of green pasture, a place of refreshment, whence pain, grief and sighing have fled away. Pardon, O God, as You are good and love mankind, every sin committed by him/her in word or deed or thought, because there is none who will live and not sin, for You alone are without sin; Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and Your word is truth. For You are the resurrection, the life and the repose of Your servant N., who has fallen asleep, Christ our God, and to You we give glory, together with Your Father who is without beginning, and Your all-holy, good and life-giving Spirit, now and forever, and to the ages of ages.

That the Lord our God may establish his/her soul where the righteous rest.

Give rest, O God, to Your servant, and settle him/her in Paradise, where the choirs of the Saints and all the Just shine out like beacons; give rest to Your servant who has/have fallen asleep, overlooking all their his/her offenses.

As a flower withers and as a dream passes, so every human being is dissolved. But once again, at the sound of the trumpet, all the dead will arise as by an earthquake to go to meet You, Christ our God. Then, Christ our Master, establish in the tents of Your Saints the spirit of your servant whom you have taken over from us.

Your command which fashioned me was my beginning and my substance; for wishing to compose me as a living creature from visible and invisible nature, you molded my body from the earth, but gave me a soul by Your divine and life-giving breath. Therefore, O Christ, give rest to Your servant in the land of the living, in the tents of the just.

Brethren, I do not wish you to be ignorant about those who have fallen asleep, so that you may not grieve like the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, so too God will bring with him those who sleep through Jesus. We tell you this by the Lord’s word, that we who are left alive at the Lord’s coming will by no means precede those sleep. Because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, at the voice of an Archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are left alive will be snatched up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall all be with the Lord.
(1 Thess 4: 13-18, Epistle reading at funerals)




 98 
 on: Today at 04:38:34 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by David Young

Again, I will refer you to NT scripture that you accept as canonical:

St. Peter prayed for Tabitha after she had died.

Selam

Quite so. But when you pray to the departed, are you (like Peter here, and the other examples) praying that they will be raised from the dead? If not, the examples are not germane to this discussion, surely.

 99 
 on: Today at 04:36:21 AM 
Started by Gebre Menfes Kidus - Last post by David Young
Of course we must be born again. But how do you think that happens?


Selam

It is a work of the Holy Spirit; it is received by faith. A Calvinist believes the work of God is irresistible and all the elect will be infallibly saved; an Arminian believes it can be resisted. However, let it rest at this: that the Spirit of God draws us to Christ, and we respond in faith.

 100 
 on: Today at 04:30:00 AM 
Started by Nephi - Last post by LBK
Another of Lentz's



"Inclusivity" is the other major theme infusing much of this man's work, the other being homosexuality and other "gender identity" issues. This piece is a classic Lentzian syncretist work, encompassing the "People of the Book".

It would be good to find out what the Hebrew and Arabic inscriptions say. Can anyone help?

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