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Religious Topics / Re: Confucianism
« Last post by rakovsky on Yesterday at 06:31:35 PM »
Ok awesome so Iconodule does it teach anything much different to say Greek Philosophy? Also what is there concept of Heaven and God/God's?
Niko,

The Chinese imperial dynasties of 1500-250 BC had a concept of the Supreme Deity or Highest Lord (Shang Di), as well as a concept of Heaven, Tien. This belief dates from the earliest recorded period of Chinese history, which those two dynasties compose. There is a similarity in that I think the Greeks had a concept of destiny or the power of the gods in heaven or on Mt Olympus governing peoples' lives.

See my entry citing Orthodox sources on the nature of Shang Di and its comparison to the Christian concept of God:
Ancient Monotheisms & Trinitiarianisms: An, Ra, Yahweh, Shang Ti, Brahman, etc.
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,68450.msg1404133.html#msg1404133

Some similarities are that they sacrificed to the Supreme Deity and that they did not have idols of the Supreme Deity. The emperor was seen as having a special relationship to the Supreme deity as a son of heaven. This has a similarity to words about David or the Davidic Messiah in the Old Testament, with words like: "I will be as a father to him (the Davidic ruler)".
Notice how 1 Chronicles 28:6 says:
"He said to me, 'Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him."

One major difference is that the ancient Chinese until the 4th century or so occasionally performed human sacrifice, like burying servants with their deceased masters. Another difference is that the Chinese ALSO believed in various lesser spirits or gods, or ancestors, not just the Supreme God. However, there is also a theory that since the border sacrifice was also performed on top of a three-layer altar, therefore there are three categories of beings, with the Supreme God and Heaven occupying the highest layer, putting him a category quite different than lesser beings who are not really gods like God, but rather are really "spirits". Thus some Sinologists especially with a Christian leaning interpret Chinese religion as actually monotheistic.
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Oriental Orthodox Discussion / Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Last post by Alkis on Yesterday at 06:13:54 PM »
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The Beautiful Dove – The title is in remembrance of the beautiful dove that carried to our father Noah a branch of an olive tree, as a symbol of peace, bringing to him the good news of the deliverance from the waters of the flood (Genesis 8:11). With this title, the priest burns incense in front of her icon when he goes out of the sanctuary and says: “Hail to you, O Virgin Mary, the beautiful dove”. In the Praxis response, the deacons chant in Coptic “Hail to you, Mary, the fair dove, who bore to us God the Logos.” Saint Mary is compared to the dove in her simplicity and purity, and the action of the Holy Spirit in her. She resembles the dove which brought the good news of the deliverance after the flood, because she brought the good news of our deliverance (salvation) in Christ.

Source

And I was curious why we call her dove! Nice!!!
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Religious Topics / Re: Confucianism
« Last post by rakovsky on Yesterday at 06:11:48 PM »
Is anyone here familiar with Confucianism?

If so what are your thoughts? Just read some literature on it so thought I would ask. I know they don't have a God or Gods and that its more a philosophy then a religion but was just curious.
The Shang Dynasty worshiped Shang Di, the Supreme Deity or Highest Lord. The Shang were defeated by the Zhou Dynasty, who claimed victory was given them by Heaven, Tien, who was written in pictography as a person. The Zhou formed themselves a bureaucratic caste out of the defeated Shang bureaucrats. And the Zhou bureaucrats came to respect Confucius' teachings. Confucius was one of the Zhou era bureaucrats or gov't advisors.

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One of the earliest accounts of the Border Sacrifice is found in the Shu Jing (Book of History), compiled by Confucius, where it is recorded of Emperor Shun (who ruled from about 2256 BC to 2205 BC when the first recorded dynasty began) that ‘he sacrificed to ShangDi.’1

Who is ShangDi? This name literally means ‘the Heavenly Ruler.’ By reviewing recitations used at the Border Sacrifice, recorded in the Statutes of the Ming Dynasty (AD 1368), one may begin to understand the ancient Chinese reverence for ShangDi.
https://answersingenesis.org/genesis/the-original-unknown-god-of-china/

See also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwCL9IYZdvQ
"Confucius details the attributes of Shang Di (Yahweh) in his writings."
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Other Topics / Re: Orthodoxy in art
« Last post by Dominika on Yesterday at 06:11:37 PM »
^^ liked it very much. Do you know the title?
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Sorry for the delayed reply Dominika, I have been extremely sick.   However you found the exact image I was talking about.   Also thank you for posting those beautiful paintings.

I wish the Serbian Pattiarch would resume wearing red (well, it looks closer to scarlet), as it looks beautiful.
No problem :) I'm glad that the question has been solved ;)
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Non-Religious Topics / Re: Fraternal Organzations
« Last post by Dominika on Yesterday at 06:09:45 PM »
fraternal organizations are not college fraternities.

A fraternity or fraternal organization is an organized society of men associated together in an environment of companionship and brotherhood; dedicated to the intellectual, physical, and social development of its members. Some historically male-only organizations now include women.

Service clubs, lineage societies, and secret societies are among the fraternal organizations here listed.

some do very good charitable work...like Rotary Club, Lions Club

Rotary International is an international service organization whose stated human rights purpose is to bring together business and professional leaders in order to provide humanitarian services, encourage high ethical standards in all vocations, and to advance goodwill and peace around the world. It is a secular organization open to all people regardless of race, color, creed, religion, gender, or political preference. There are 34,282 member clubs worldwide. 1.2 million individuals called Rotarians have joined these clubs

Lions Clubs International (LCI) is an International secular, non-political service organization founded by Melvin Jones in 1917. As of April 2015, it had over 46,000 local clubs and more than 1.4 million members in over 200 countries around the world.[1] Headquartered in Oak Brook, Illinois, United States, the organization aims to meet the needs of communities on a local and global scale.


not all are religious or spooky secret things...
Rotary club is considered in Poland as a kind of masonery, and if a priest (Catholic or Orthodox) is accused of being a member or even sympathezing with them, it's a bad thing...
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Oriental Orthodox Discussion / Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Last post by Dominika on Yesterday at 06:08:37 PM »

This next one is done with a Coptic "Sahidic" accent, by Deacon Antonios Shenoudian, (along with alternating English) who is an expert in the Sahidic form of Coptic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWq_rHMrTFk
Very, very beautiful :) Melody, chant and the text.
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Oriental Orthodox Discussion / Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Last post by Alkis on Yesterday at 05:54:28 PM »
If you ever wanted to find out what the Coptic hymn for deification (known as the Friday Theotokia) sounds like:

http://tasbeha.org/hymn_library/view/146?mid=10992

This next one is done with a Coptic "Sahidic" accent, by Deacon Antonios Shenoudian, (along with alternating English) who is an expert in the Sahidic form of Coptic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWq_rHMrTFk

Listen to the chorus of both those links and you'll recognize the difference.

Here's a contemplation of the hymn:

http://www.copticheritage.org/contemplations/3_annual_weekday_praise/the_friday_theotokia

They are all great!!! I so love Marian hymns. Blessed are you Most Holy Theotokos!
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Religious Topics / Re: Confucianism
« Last post by Niko92 on Yesterday at 05:43:00 PM »
Ok awesome so Iconodule does it teach anything much different to say Greek Philosophy? Also what is there concept of Heaven and God/God's?

Im a bit flat out with work this week so apologise that I don't have a chance to look for myself!
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Oriental Orthodox Discussion / Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Last post by minasoliman on Yesterday at 05:42:16 PM »
If you ever wanted to find out what the Coptic hymn for deification (known as the Friday Theotokia) sounds like:

http://tasbeha.org/hymn_library/view/146?mid=10992

This next one is done with a Coptic "Sahidic" accent, by Deacon Antonios Shenoudian, (along with alternating English) who is an expert in the Sahidic form of Coptic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWq_rHMrTFk

Listen to the chorus of both those links and you'll recognize the difference.

Here's a contemplation of the hymn:

http://www.copticheritage.org/contemplations/3_annual_weekday_praise/the_friday_theotokia
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