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 91 
 on: Yesterday at 10:08:02 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Raylight
Scottish.

( Based on a picture you shared today )

 92 
 on: Yesterday at 10:05:01 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Raylight
I don't think the Orthodox Church has rules such as;

You have to go to Mass at least once a year or you are damned.
You have to take from the Eucharist at least once a year or you are damned.
You have to pray this and do this and don't do that in order for you to get out of the Purgatory as soon as possible.
You can't do this and if you did then you have to have confession or you will go to Hell...etc


The above points seems to me to be too legalistic, aren't they ?

The Orthodox canons IIRC are that, technically, if you miss more than three liturgies you have excommunicated yourself. But it is not to be legalistic, and the spirit is considered more than the law. If you need to work on Sundays to support your family then you are 'ok,' if you just miss liturgy because you would prefer to go golfing or sleep then there is a problem. Circumstances can be considered in some things. I don't think it is legalistic at all.

Catholicism is and (most) Protestant are legalism defined. Their soteriology is usually based on legalism: You broke the law, God is a perfect judge that has to punish you, and Christ suffered your punishment for you. God can't just forgive you for repenting your sins.

I see, so you think Catholicism and Protestantism are legalistic in their theology of understanding God's justic and attitude toward sin and the sinners and also legalistic in their way of understanding what the Lord Jesus Christ did on the cross and why He did it.

On that I agree, because they picture God as a Judge and when you sin, you are sinning against Him and therefor you will never be able to "pay" back for your sins, so therefor Jesus came to Earth and died on the cross...etc you that you will be able to "pay the debt".

 93 
 on: Yesterday at 10:01:51 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Raylight
Hi.

I'm asking this because I want to start from the beginning, knowing what are the Orthodox Church odds with the claim of the Papacy and how do Catholics response to.

So, if you can summarise it, what are the most commons objections of the Orthodox Church against Rome's papacy ?

And how do you Catholics response to these objections ?

( I'm asking all these again because I've mentioned earlier that I finally accepted Tradition as valid and authoritative source for the Church...etc ) and in the light of that, I want to rethink some things.

 94 
 on: Yesterday at 09:59:15 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Aquensis
I don't think the Orthodox Church has rules such as;

You have to go to Mass at least once a year or you are damned.
You have to take from the Eucharist at least once a year or you are damned.
You have to pray this and do this and don't do that in order for you to get out of the Purgatory as soon as possible.
You can't do this and if you did then you have to have confession or you will go to Hell...etc


The above points seems to me to be too legalistic, aren't they ?

The Orthodox canons IIRC are that, technically, if you miss more than three liturgies you have excommunicated yourself. But it is not to be legalistic, and the spirit is considered more than the law. If you need to work on Sundays to support your family then you are 'ok,' if you just miss liturgy because you would prefer to go golfing or sleep then there is a problem. Circumstances can be considered in some things. I don't think it is legalistic at all.

Catholicism is and (most) Protestant are legalism defined. Their soteriology is usually based on legalism: You broke the law, God is a perfect judge that has to punish you, and Christ suffered your punishment for you. God can't just forgive you for repenting your sins.

 95 
 on: Yesterday at 09:53:29 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Avdima

Well.... okay, then.

I'm sure that other Orthodox nations have just as many saints as Russia.

I would venture that Ukraine has quite a few saints, as well...probably more than Russia, since her history goes back further, all the way to Kyivan Rus, and St. Andrew walking upon the hills in Kyiv.  However, I am admittedly biased towards Ukraine, so, I will leave Ukraine out of this particular conversation.

What about Greece?  Why Russia over Greece?  Greece has by far more saints, more years and more tears shed for Orthodoxy than Russia.  


And Egypt, Syria, Ethiopia and Armenia for that matter. A nod towards those of the Oriental side of things  Wink.   Sorry I left out India, As I know zero about the Church in India.

As an example I think looking at the Copts as a nation within a nation is what a being a holy Orthodox Nation is about.
    

 96 
 on: Yesterday at 09:50:42 PM 
Started by minasoliman - Last post by Peter J
A website I frequent is up to 399883 (in total) ... Big milestone coming up there in another 117! Smiley

 97 
 on: Yesterday at 09:47:18 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Raylight
They are both true.

But Peter doesn't equal Bishop of Rome.

They both are true! How ? And why Peter doesn't equal Bishop of Rome ?

 98 
 on: Yesterday at 09:46:12 PM 
Started by chrisgeo - Last post by littlepilgrim64
Lord have mercy.

 99 
 on: Yesterday at 09:46:11 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Raylight
I don't think the Orthodox Church has rules such as;

You have to go to Mass at least once a year or you are damned.
You have to take from the Eucharist at least once a year or you are damned.
You have to pray this and do this and don't do that in order for you to get out of the Purgatory as soon as possible.
You can't do this and if you did then you have to have confession or you will go to Hell...etc


The above points seems to me to be too legalistic, aren't they ?

 100 
 on: Yesterday at 09:44:59 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by xOrthodox4Christx
They are both true.

But Peter doesn't equal Bishop of Rome.

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