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In my opinion, this is an acceptable use of episcopal prerogative on the part of ROCOR; bishops should  have this right.

They have the right and these are the results.

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I like seminaries, but the idea they are absolutely necessary in all cases, is I think a Roman Catholic counter reformation idea;

One of the best ones we adopted.
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That would be quite interesting to share, and I would look forward to it!
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Matt Baker was a Baptist preacher with an active congregation in Waco, Texas, and a beautiful family, including two young daughters.

But his seemingly picturesque life changed forever on April 7, 2006, when he found his wife, Kari, dead in their bed, apparently from an overdose of sleeping pills.
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Well, thank goodness Sophianism was officially repudiated.
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Don't they have some kind of credentialing program that with a study component through the Chicago school, though?

Yes, they do: http://www.orthodoxtheologicalschool.org/

However, there are those that are ordained without even that.

In my opinion, this is an acceptable use of episcopal prerogative on the part of ROCOR; bishops should  have this right.  I like seminaries, but the idea they are absolutely necessary in all cases, is I think a Roman Catholic counter reformation idea; there are also records of several poorly educated Orthodox priests of remarkable holiness. 

To be fair I would just say that the OCA has had many problems with clerics and all the ones that come to my mind did attend Orthodox seminaries. So obviously education doesn't equate to someone being honest or sane. I wish I knew of a way that we could effectively vet clerics.

I don't think there's a surefire way; also, I think some potentially very good priests crack under the political pressures of running a parish.  From what I've seen, I lament that it is not possible for every parish to have a deacon or two priests, to divide the workload.   I also feel like younger priests should not be given challenging solo assignments immediately after ordination; the more successful solo priests I've seem have tended to be older guys with years of experience, in their 60s or even 70s.
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Free World (Russia, Syria, Iran, etc.)

Triune Holy Rus.
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Orthodox-Protestant Discussion / Re: Calvinists Help Me Understand
« Last post by rakovsky on Today at 08:24:48 AM »
I don't get why people in medieval Europe were picking Calvinism over Lutheranism in huge numbers. I don't see the real advantage or benefit to Calvinism.

Calvin basically disagreed that Jesus was in the bread, and he taught his 5 points, like irresistible grace/once saved always saved. Basically, once you truly pick Jesus, from that point on you have "assurance" of salvation. No matter what, you will not get lost. This is very appealing- the believer knows for himself whether he picked Jesus or not, but he doesn't "know" it about others for sure. Technically it could be claimed that any other person who "fell" permanently was never "saved" and faithful truly in the first place.

This doctrine creates a kind of personal infallibility. While some Reformed (ie. Calvinists) complain that Catholicism made Tradition infallible (an exaggeration, BTW), the Reformed system creates an idea that the believer himself becomes infallible.

This kind of arrogant mindset could easily relate to Calvin's own supremacism. In Geneva he became a virtual dictator as some of his detractors note. In Geneva, people were killed, flogged, or otherwise criminally penalized for going against Calvin. See Rives' book "Did Calvin Murder Servetus", where such cases are listed. The book also notes on p. 420 how in Calvin's Institutes, the minister is called "God Himself present" in the Church. The book notes that even Popes were better able to handle insults made at the personal level.

Note also the darker side of Calvinist theology and consequent attitudes- that of its "penal" emphasis. It has a strong focus on severe punishment for those who are outside the church, due to the inheritance of personal guilt of original sin.

It can lead to frightening, sometimes even psychopathic cultlike situations, as perhaps some aspects of Calvinism-based Puritan New England in Salem and Boston in the New World could be described regarding the killing of witches and religious dissidents there.
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