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Oriental Orthodox Discussion / Re: Syriac Orthodox Liturgical Texts in Emglish
« Last post by Alpha60 on Yesterday at 07:19:44 AM »
Question: Is The Scattered Pearls available in English?   I would very much like to have a complete list of all our anaphoras.
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Also, I might add to what Fr. Peter said by me tioning that at times, the dividing line between the Coptic Orthodox and Greek Orthodox Churches of Alexandria became almost blurry, and the two churches attempted to merge in the 19th century, but this union was thwarted by the Khedive, who saw a unified Orthodox Church in Egypt as a threat to his power.

Some historical evidence of the Inter-locution as you call it can be found in the liturgies for various holy days, and most dramatically, the Holy Unction service, which in the Coptic Church is served on the last Friday in Lent, before Lazarus Saturday (in the EO calendar; I don't know if Copts commemorate the raising of Lazarus on that day or not, I could look it up in my Coptic Reader app if anyone is interested, but at present I am quite tired).   The Holy Unction service at any rate is nearly identical between the Coptic and Byzantine Rites, the only difference being the opening psalms before the seven consecratory prayers, and the Coptic use of seven oil lamps, or seven wicks leading into a bowl of oil, which are progressively lit after each of the seven prayers, and then the oil from these lamps is used for Holy Unction of the congregation.  Both rites can also be served to someone who is ill, in their home or hospital if need be, and both rites call for seven priests, if seven priests are available, but in practice, can be celebrated with less.

At present the relations are quite warm from what I understand, almost as close as those between the Syriac Orthodox and Greek Orthodox Patriarchates of Antioch.   Official provisions have been made for intermarriage between the churches.

I have also heard stories of Greek and Coptic churches in Egypt communicating members of the other church, and also Copts receiving Communion at St. Catharine's Monastery in Sinai (which is the main center for the autonomous Church of Sinai, an autonomous jurisdiction under the Omophorion of the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem, and very possibly, the smallest autonomous church in the Orthodox communion, also, one of the most valuable in terms of its priceless icons, relics and library, and one of the most endangered, due to the security situation in Sinai).

If I ever do become a monk, the three monasteries where I think I would most like to work are St. Anthony's (the original, in Egypt), St. Catharine's, or St. Mark's Syriac Orthodox Monastery in Jerusalem, which we Syriac Orthodox believe does truly occupy the authentic Cenacle (I think the Gothic, Crusader-era structure that is contested by other Christians, the Jews and the Muslims is probably the tomb of King David, and I find it highly unlikely that the house of St. Mark, and thus the Cenacle, would be built atop what would have been in the first century a very holy site).

On a personal note, I should add that I view "inter-locution" in extremely easy terms; I have in the past been received into and communicated in the Eastern Orthodox church, before returning to the Oriental church.  For me, moving between the two churches is no different than attending a church if a different jurisdiction, if one moves, and finds the other church more convenient.  So if a good reason for me to be EO presented itself, I would switch over, and I would switch back to being OO for the same cause.  I believe there is only one Orthodox Church.

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Very cool.  Usually the Ethiopian church, like the Armenian church and Classical Armenian, is pretty stalwart about doing everything in Ge'ez.
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Liturgy / The Anaphora of St. Dionysius the Aereopagite
« Last post by Alpha60 on Yesterday at 06:51:51 AM »
Note that this thread does not refer to the widely used Syriac Orthodox liturgy of St. Dionysius Bar Salibi, but rather, to two related anaphoras attributed to St. Dionysius the Aeropagite.

Is anyone familiar with this?   One of them looks like a translation of an ancient manuscript; the second looks Syriac Orthodox.  Mor, would you happen to know if, at least the second, of these anaphoras, is one of ours (Syriac Orthodox)?  Here is the link:

http://www.voskrese.info/spl/dionysius-lit.html

The text for this ofher, presumably older, recension, is quite interesting; it seems evocative of St. (Psuedo?) Dionysius, either the Aeropagite himself or, if scholarship is correct, the 6th century chap who wrote a superb corpus of books on mystical theology in his name.  Here it is:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/dio/dio37.htm

I am suprised I haven't encountered these before, or any mention of them; I chanced upon them while looking up the mystical writings of St. Dionysius for purposes of relaxation.
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Other Topics / Re: Random Postings
« Last post by Dominika on Yesterday at 06:38:14 AM »
Yesterday I was sitting on a table in the corridor of the Christian Theological Academy, reading my work in Arabic and waiting for the lesso of History of the Church. I noticed that there was passing a man wearing a cassock, but it's not so strange in this place ;) so I continued checking my essay. But I heard I welcome you, miss Dominika! (in Polish we use politle forms; well, some priests use the form "you", toward me). I wanted to reply by "Good morning" or "Glory be to Jesus Christ", but I noticed that's.. Archbishop George.

So I jumped from the table, half of my papers and a notebok landed on the floor, so I said I'm sorry, the archbishop said No, that's me saying sorry. I kissed his hand, or in fact, not enterly, because I'd used lipstick :P And he asked me smiling So, how are you? Everything is fine? I replied Yes, everything is OK, and he said in Church Slavonic So, glory be to God, glory be to God!.
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Anyone still on CAF?
« Last post by Nicodemusz138 on Yesterday at 06:33:50 AM »
I still am, but I haven't posted there since their awful forum update. It is aesthetically displeasing in the extreme.

Even although I never had an account there, I still somewhat enjoyed reading threads, but I almost never do this anymore after this update.
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Other Topics / Re: Random Postings
« Last post by Dominika on Yesterday at 06:30:04 AM »


!! Waiting for edition with Nestorius and... Set with st. Nicholas and Arius.


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Just wow... It sounds very interesting. And finally I'm able to udnerstand more tahn a few words from Ethiopian mezmurs ;)
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Hell eternal?
« Last post by Arachne on Yesterday at 04:22:01 AM »
No that is what you guys and your God, his son and his greedy apostles are experts on. Not to speak about failed men like John Chrysostom, Tertullian etc.
If you ever manage to shake off this diabolical delusion of yours, remember to add this idiotic comment to your confession list.

My advice for you is to restrain yourself from posting as you are unable to discern the truth, your ability to reason is distorted by extreme pride, self-love and egotism.

Posting on theological matters in your condition is more dangerious than drinking and driving.
Oh my... Can't you come up with something on your own than the standard mediocre reply of a half-hearted Christian? Instead; explain the quotes from John Chrysostom and tell me why he should be regarded as anything else than a criminal.

beebert,

Your moral grandstanding is unimpressive. Let me be clear, I see no substance in your contribution in this thread.You can call me "selfish", "egoistic", "wrong", & "half-hearted", "stupid", "nihilistic", "hypocritical" for believing in this religion, all you want but in the end of the day, I'll continue to regard your judgments as worthless & of no value.
I am Only going to ask you for one thing which you are free to ignore: Can you explain John Chrysoston's hatred against jews and tell me what is so saintly about him? With that and his gastly vision of hell in consideration

The people who started venerating St John immediately after his repose clearly believed he was a saint, and the Church confirmed said veneration.

Regarding his homilies against Jews, perspective - get some.

As for hell, get comfy, this will take a while: https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/what-is-orthodox-hell/
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Hell eternal?
« Last post by beebert on Yesterday at 04:06:32 AM »
No that is what you guys and your God, his son and his greedy apostles are experts on. Not to speak about failed men like John Chrysostom, Tertullian etc.
If you ever manage to shake off this diabolical delusion of yours, remember to add this idiotic comment to your confession list.

My advice for you is to restrain yourself from posting as you are unable to discern the truth, your ability to reason is distorted by extreme pride, self-love and egotism.

Posting on theological matters in your condition is more dangerious than drinking and driving.
Oh my... Can't you come up with something on your own than the standard mediocre reply of a half-hearted Christian? Instead; explain the quotes from John Chrysostom and tell me why he should be regarded as anything else than a criminal.

beebert,

Your moral grandstanding is unimpressive. Let me be clear, I see no substance in your contribution in this thread.You can call me "selfish", "egoistic", "wrong", & "half-hearted", "stupid", "nihilistic", "hypocritical" for believing in this religion, all you want but in the end of the day, I'll continue to regard your judgments as worthless & of no value.
I am Only going to ask you for one thing which you are free to ignore: Can you explain John Chrysoston's hatred against jews and tell me what is so saintly about him? With that and his gastly vision of hell in consideration
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