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Orthodox-Other Christian Discussion / Re: Another psuedo-Orthodox Church?
« Last post by RaphaCam on Yesterday at 09:13:21 PM »
1. The influence of Polish and German artwork which came into Russia, and which would come to a clash with the Old Ritualist controversy with Patriarch Nikon (Who literally ordered a house to house search of Westernized icons and ordered that the eyes of these "counterfeit" icons to be gouged out and carried through the town in derision)
Can you develop on that, or maybe quote sources telling this at more length?
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Other Topics / Re: What does everyone look like?
« Last post by RaphaCam on Yesterday at 09:10:41 PM »
We had a large bottle of Dreher too, but it's not such a classy drink, so we just took a picture with the grappa.

You've had it all wrong. True men are never ashamed of drinking. How bad the beverage might be it still contains alcohol. And by drinking all the available alcohol thousands around you will be saved.
I'll remember your sound words the next time I'm drinking cacha├ža from a plastic bottle.
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Faith Issues / Re: Obscure Orthodox Saints
« Last post by Justin Kolodziej on Yesterday at 09:10:18 PM »
The icon to importance ratio of St. Justin the Martyr/Philosopher seems rather low.  ::)
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Religious Topics / Re: Mormonism vs Islam: Which do you dislike more?
« Last post by LivenotoneviL on Yesterday at 09:08:53 PM »
I'm sorry, but what is the point of this post?

Not to come across in a rude manner, but will such a post like this convert people to Holy Orthodoxy from Islam or Mormonism?

No, in fact it will probably do the opposite if, guided by the Holy Spirit, they are looking into Orthodoxy.

Simply calling someone's entire cultural and religious belief system "stupid" or "I dislike that person's belief system more!" is not loving.

It is important to criticize these belief systems which is viewed as heterodox, and to criticize some of the moral and faithful errors of these religions (denial of the Holy Trinity, Polygamy, denial that Christ is literally the Only Begotten Son, historical violence that was and is condoned, contradictions of Saint Paul's and Saint Peter's words about the use of Mosaic food regulations), as well as the motivations and intents of these self-proclaimed prophets and scholars, and the historical contradictions that they have published (the idea of more than one God, prophecies which never came true, the history of violence and scamming those prophets have done) but simply having a hissy-fit contest about how much you "hate" this form of heterodoxy vs this form is not efficient progress.

If something is not Orthodox, it was made evil by man. There is Truth, and Falsehood - so lets bring them to Truth instead of wasting time discussing which one you "hate" more.

Christ pointed out the errors of the Pharisees and was harsh at them, like we should be - but I don't believe He ever sat down and talked about how the Pharisees in their ideological belief systems were bad, but better than the Sadducees or the Samaritans.

No, instead, He taught "I am the Way, the Truth, the Life. Nobody comes to the Father except through Me."

1)  You can compare doctrines and philosophies in an abstract sense.  If you think someone having an "ultimate commitment" to a Nazi doctrine or a Rotary Club is the same thing, or their "ideal type" or practical consequences of application, I don't think you're playing with a full deck.

2)  Giving personal anecdotes or experiences is useful.  I have a lot of experience with Muslims and very little with Mormons or many post-Christian protestant sects in general.  Discussion about perspectives , personal experience or anecdotes, and approaches is not bad.  Even two Orthodox people blowing off steam to eachother is not a bad thing, as long as people aren't taking such comments with a heavy hand.  I know the internet is a strange place, and "private conversation" is a foreign concept to some people, but being on a site calle OrthodoxChristianity.net and thinking it's OK for Orthodox Christianity to be a home field perspective where you can be a bit more candid or exacerbated isn't that radical a position.

3) If something is not Orthodox, it was made evil by man. .


what?

1. and 2. Yeah, sure, but why are we discussing it in such a way about how much better one entire cultural and heterodox belief system is hated more than another? And I agree with this point, and we should share our experiences - but I don't believe snickering with elitism about how better and right we are, while kissing our own souls, is an effective and humility-based approach for such discussion. My problem was more or less about the format and tone of the original question. Sure, let's compare Mormonism and Islam - not which one we hate more.

3. So you would tell me that contemporary Judaism, Islam, and Protestantism were all motivated by the Holy Spirit? If not the Holy Spirit, then what force created these theological belief systems? If not God, then what?
Not that such ideas are purely evil and nothing good can come out of it, but in its origin....yeah.
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Non-Religious Topics / Re: Solar Eclipse
« Last post by Jetavan on Yesterday at 09:06:58 PM »
You can also listen to the eclipse.

"A team of Georgia Institute of Technology researchers has created an original music composition for Monday's eclipse. The Georgia Tech Sonification Lab uses drums, synthesized tones and other sounds to symbolize the movements of the sun and moon and the gradual darkness they will produce during the August 21 event.
....
The project was created when AT&T asked Professor Bruce Walker if he would create an audio file to allow visually impaired persons to experience the eclipse.
....
Link to the music."

So an Indian, Japanese, and a white guy walk into a lab...
Reminds me of Koyaanisqatsi.
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Religious Topics / Re: Mormonism vs Islam: Which do you dislike more?
« Last post by William T on Yesterday at 09:03:55 PM »


Also there is no need to patronize someones emotions or intellect if they ask me who I respect more, the Yankees or Red Sox....if they ask they ask, why not just respect the question
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Religious Topics / Re: Mormonism vs Islam: Which do you dislike more?
« Last post by LivenotoneviL on Yesterday at 09:02:34 PM »
Not to come across in a rude manner, but will such a post like this convert people to Holy Orthodoxy from Islam or Mormonism?

Since the person who created the thread is not Orthodox, I seriously doubt he has any interest in converting anyone to Holy Orthodoxy.

Touche.
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Religious Topics / Re: Mormonism vs Islam: Which do you dislike more?
« Last post by William T on Yesterday at 09:02:21 PM »
I'm sorry, but what is the point of this post?

Not to come across in a rude manner, but will such a post like this convert people to Holy Orthodoxy from Islam or Mormonism?

No, in fact it will probably do the opposite if, guided by the Holy Spirit, they are looking into Orthodoxy.

Simply calling someone's entire cultural and religious belief system "stupid" or "I dislike that person's belief system more!" is not loving.

It is important to criticize these belief systems which is viewed as heterodox, and to criticize some of the moral and faithful errors of these religions (denial of the Holy Trinity, Polygamy, denial that Christ is literally the Only Begotten Son, historical violence that was and is condoned, contradictions of Saint Paul's and Saint Peter's words about the use of Mosaic food regulations), as well as the motivations and intents of these self-proclaimed prophets and scholars, and the historical contradictions that they have published (the idea of more than one God, prophecies which never came true, the history of violence and scamming those prophets have done) but simply having a hissy-fit contest about how much you "hate" this form of heterodoxy vs this form is not efficient progress.

If something is not Orthodox, it was made evil by man. There is Truth, and Falsehood - so lets bring them to Truth instead of wasting time discussing which one you "hate" more.

Christ pointed out the errors of the Pharisees and was harsh at them, like we should be - but I don't believe He ever sat down and talked about how the Pharisees in their ideological belief systems were bad, but better than the Sadducees or the Samaritans.

No, instead, He taught "I am the Way, the Truth, the Life. Nobody comes to the Father except through Me."

1)  You can compare doctrines and philosophies in an abstract sense.  If you think someone having an "ultimate commitment" to a Nazi doctrine or a Rotary Club is the same thing, or their "ideal type" or practical consequences of application, I don't think you're playing with a full deck.

2)  Giving personal anecdotes or experiences is useful.  I have a lot of experience with Muslims and very little with Mormons or many post-Christian protestant sects in general.  Discussion about perspectives , personal experience or anecdotes, and approaches is not bad.  Even two Orthodox people blowing off steam to eachother is not a bad thing, as long as people aren't taking such comments with a heavy hand.  I know the internet is a strange place, and "private conversation" is a foreign concept to some people, but being on a site calle OrthodoxChristianity.net and thinking it's OK for Orthodox Christianity to be a home field perspective where you can be a bit more candid or exacerbated isn't that radical a position.

3) If something is not Orthodox, it was made evil by man. .


what?
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Non-Religious Topics / Re: Off the OC.net for one year
« Last post by minasoliman on Yesterday at 09:00:05 PM »
God be with you!
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Religious Topics / Re: Mormonism vs Islam: Which do you dislike more?
« Last post by Jetavan on Yesterday at 08:59:50 PM »
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"There is some continuity [of moral values] between the Evangelical Church and Islam, in pudorous clothes and so on....
Hmm..."pudorous" is not (though "pudor" is, according to the OED) actually an English word. Is it from the Portuguese?
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