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Yeah, to peg Norm as 'Emergent' is just painfully ignorant. In some ways he strikes me as barely Christian, and in other ways too Christian.
One or two posters have tried to correct a serious misconception you have, in a forum dedicated to contrasting Orthodoxy and just such misconceptions. Hardly cause for melodrama and personalities.
Technical Help / Re: How do you block someone?
« Last post by orthonorm on Today at 12:20:54 AM »
Am I mistaken that this is the Technical Help forum?

Technically I am not sure help is possible for what is truly needed.
Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Keep the Filioque
« Last post by JoeS2 on Today at 12:20:21 AM »
the Son only relates to the Spirit insofar as the Son forms a unity with the Father, which is to say that the Son does not truly have an eternal relationship with the Spirit, but rather that the Father and the Son have an eternal relationship with the Holy Spirit.

Lossky's criticism of "one principle" says it precludes the Son having as proper to His own Person (having received this in generation from the Father) an eternal relationship with the Spirit and reduces to a Dyad within the Trinity. We say Father and Son are one principle of the Spirit as sunlight is one principle of heat. The Spirit does not flow from the essence as such, but from the two Persons as distinct, from the Father as the Love of the Father is in Himself, from the Son as the Love of the Father is in the beloved Son from eternity, an analogy you admit, as did Gregory Palamas. St. Thomas says, "the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son, as distinct; for He proceeds from them as the unitive love of both. " Of course, any natural analogy is insufficient to express the Trinitarian mystery, but it is necessary not to preclude the role of the Son in the eternal spiration of the Holy Ghost from the Father. Gregory Palamas says, "The Spirit of the most high Word is like an ineffable love of the Father for this Word ineffably generated. A love which this same Word and beloved Son of the Father entertains towards the Father: but insofar as he has the Spirit coming with him from the Father and reposing connaturally in him"

Kyrillios, so, you are saying the Son does not receive spiration of the Spirit as a personal property. The Son is excluded from the eternal spiration of the Spirit? No, the Father communicates to the Son that He may spirate the Spirit also, Holy Scripture speaks of this signifying the Spirit as Life, "As the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son that He may also have life in Himself" (Jn 5:26), as we understand from Tradition, from St. Athanasius, St. Ambrose etc. that the Spirit is signified as Life in Holy Writ.

Ialmisry, if you want attributions for the above, they are as follows - Pope St. Leo the Great, Letter 15:2 to Bishop St. Turibius of Astorga, St. Gregory the Great, Morals on the Book of Job 2:56:92, Pope St. Hormisdas Profession of Faith, 517 A.D. St. Ambrose On The Holy Spirit 1:11:120, St. Athanasius, On the Incarnation of the Word Against the Arians 9, St. Cyril On Worship and Adoration in Spirit and Truth 1. Some of these are dogmatic professions, others are teaching documents, others are the Fathers engaged in theological reasoning. How can one accuse the Filioque of being heretical? Please address this passage in particular from St. Cyril, "the Spirit is from God the Father and, for that matter, from the Son, being poured forth substantially from both, that is to say, from the Father through the Son."

From the study in the link above,

"What is this Trinitarian character that the person of the Holy Spirit brings to the very relationship between the Father and the Son? It is the original role of the Spirit in the economy with regard to the mission and work of the Son. The Father is love in its source (2 Cor 13:13; 1 Jn 4:8,16), the Son is "the Son that he loves" (Col 1:14). So a tradition dating back to St Augustine has seen in the Holy Spirit, through whom "God's love has been poured into our hearts" (Rom 5:5), love as the eternal Gift of the Father to his "beloved Son" (Mk 1:11; 9:7; Lk 20:13; Eph 1:6) ... The divine love which has its origin in the Father reposes in "the Son of his love" in order to exist consubstantially through the Son in the person of the Spirit, the Gift of love ... This role of the Spirit in the innermost human existence of the Son of God made man derives from an eternal Trinitarian relationship through which the Spirit, in his mystery as Gift of Love, characterizes the relation between the Father, as source of love, and his beloved Son."

Why don't you get it? We don't need the Filioque. End of argument.  I'm ok with you keeping the Filioque. Why are you not happy?
So here's a tip for you, Norman -- just because something is hip on the Emergent streets doesn't mean it will be automatic ka-ching in every Christian discussion. Look yourself at the merits of an idea.

It's striking how poorly you peg me given that I pretty much have put a lot material out there to work with.

Since more people know me on this board than you are aware of, you just look all the more foolish when attempting to paint me into the corner of characters you know from your excursions into society, your local coop.

Keep trying.

One excellent dig so far. Let's go for number two.
Orthodox Family Forum / Re: my wife hates me
« Last post by Porter ODoran on Today at 12:18:03 AM »
O Most Holy Theotokos and all the saints, intercede with Christ God to rescue this household and the souls within it and to grant healing and blessing. Lord, be quick to save.
It's not taking Christ seriously to find a supposed excuse in his words to reject all his followers but one or two. Not only is that actually ignoring most of Christ, but it's actually pernicious in that it ( a ) excuses the most extreme imaginable schism and ( b ) denies souls the medicine of fellowship and sacraments.

Yeah cause many good meaning people trying to do and doing Christ's will who are ignorant of the incredible evangelism of odoxy should be mocked and jeered.
Technical Help / Re: How do you block someone?
« Last post by Porter ODoran on Today at 12:14:28 AM »
Am I mistaken that this is the Technical Help forum?
So here's a tip for you, Norman -- just because something is hip on the Emergent streets doesn't mean it will be automatic ka-ching in every Christian discussion. Look yourself at the merits of an idea.
Orthodox-Protestant Discussion / Re: formerly orthodox?
« Last post by Mor Ephrem on Today at 12:12:29 AM »
Except I'm not emphasizing anything. Rather, you are de-emphasizing some things and overlooking them in the name of your simplistic Care Bear Jesus. The truth is that Jesus is a much more nuanced character than you think. The same Jesus who talked to a Samaritan woman and refused to stone another woman caught in adultery also took a whip and cleared the merchants out of the Temple. I'd be willing to bet that wasn't an act of Care Bear nonviolence.

Look at who he chased out of the temple, though.  Was he chasing "sinners" out of the temple? No, he was chasing people that benefitted from the religious oligarchy of his day.   The temple, instead of being a sacrament between God and man, had become an instrument of oppression.

Is that not a great sin?  Or is it just politics? 
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