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 on: Today at 02:41:06 AM 
Started by Gebre Menfes Kidus - Last post by Gebre Menfes Kidus
Is anyone familiar with Hadrian Mar Élijah Bar Israël?

His book "There Is No Such Thing as Just War" looks very good. But I imagine he's considered a schismatic by some.   




 on: Today at 02:32:31 AM 
Started by Nephi - Last post by Minnesotan
Looks like the Bulgarians have their work cut out for them. There is a project underway to mail a copy of Steps To Christ to every household in Bulgaria.

I was once given a copy of that book (as a Christmas present, ironically!) by my family's Kenyan housekeeper. I didn't know who Ellen White was at the time, nor did I know anything about Adventists except that they ran hospitals. I never got around to reading that book and eventually it ended up in the donation pile for the thrift store.

 on: Today at 02:32:08 AM 
Started by Nephi - Last post by Nephi
[kidding]What would Fr. Sergius Bulgakov say?[/kidding]


 on: Today at 02:24:37 AM 
Started by charbelkaleab - Last post by LBK
The Russian Catholic parish in San Francisco also had her icon on the iconostasis.

And the church is not Orthodox.

Your point?

 on: Today at 02:20:46 AM 
Started by Kostya - Last post by Georgii
Glory to Thee, O God, glory to Thee!

 on: Today at 02:19:10 AM 
Started by charbelkaleab - Last post by griego catolico
The Russian Catholic parish in San Francisco also had her icon on the iconostasis.

 on: Today at 02:14:43 AM 
Started by Nephi - Last post by LarryP2
So at least at the time I began my effort, there was no consensus on the acceptability of Seventh Day Adventist baptisms. The links that I forwarded to that deciding authority CLEARLY demonstrated that  Seventh Day Adventism has an extremely strong history of outright rejection of the Trinity and the Divinity of Christ, but even WORSE in my opinion, nowadays publicly states that they accept those doctrines, when in reality, they really don't. It is an extremely complex argument that I had to make, but the motivation is solely this: a concern for those trapped in what I consider to be a non-Christian cult.

In that respect they seem similar to the Community of Christ, a denomination that changed its name in order to remove the words "Latter-Day Saints" and now claims to be conventionally Trinitarian. They want to "fit in" among mainline Protestants. They have even applied to the NCC and been accepted (currently the WCC is divided on whether to accept them). Of course, the fact remains that they still consider the Book of Mormon to be Scripture.

The Stone-Campbell movement aka "Restorationism" was originally founded as a result of a merger between a Trinitarian sect (Campbellites) and a Semi-Arian one (Stonites). Like the SDA, the modern Restorationists (who comprise several mainline denominations) mostly have historical amnesia about the nontrinitarian origins of their movement.

Boy oh boy, did Adventists ever "want to fit in with mainline Protestants." That was an understatement if there ever was one! Here's what happened:

In the 1950's Evangelical cult expert Walter Martin began studying Adventism, to determine whether his organization would brand them with the deadly "cult" moniker. Or not. After months of meeting with Adventist church officials, he essentially FORCED them to publish a book called "Questions on Doctrines" to "settle" all outstanding issues of dispute. Hereinafter, this book (and "settlement") will be called "QOD." In QOD, Adventism largely repudiated or heavily watered down nearly all of the church's most distinctive doctrines. Traditional/Historic Adventists were more than outraged, seeing it as an outright and extraordinarily-dishonest betrayal of Adventist history and fundamental doctrines. They felt Adventism has been completely "sold down the river" in order to avoid the cult label.

They were right! It did all of those things! And furthermore, Martin and the Adventists reached a settlement that managed to outrage both Evangelicals and Historic/Traditional Adventists, both of whom accurately felt they had been betrayed!

The present 28 Fundamental Doctrines are derived more from QOD than from Ellen White's emphatic doctrinaire writings. Historic/Traditional Adventists were outraged by this not-so-subtle repudiation of their founding "prophet." They believed Adventism had become the very "Whore of Babylon/Apostate Protestant" Church with the adoption of QOD that Ellen White had so scathingly rebuked in many 100s of thousands of pages of books.

They were right! It did all of those things!

Upon FINALLY getting Walter Martin off their backs, SDA leadership immediately began backing away from QOD and quietly continued to preach Ellen White's historic Adventist doctrines. This puzzled Martin, who accurately accused Adventism of having lied to him about what they REALLY believed. Meanwhile, Martin was being accused of betraying Evangelical principles by accepting Adventist perfidy at face value. Other Evangelical cult experts continued to call Adventism a cult, accurately-sensing that Martin had been bluffed and manipulated by Adventist leadership. They accused Seventh Day Adventists of blatant dishonesty, because it quickly and quietly ceased publishing QOD and stocking it in their bookstores, as soon as the dust settled.

They were right! It did all of those things!

Adventism has thus reached a very public, intellectually-dishonest and disturbing compromise. Publicly, it announces that the 28 Fundamental Beliefs accurately describe and encapsulates the Church's doctrines. You will not get them to budge on this issue. No matter what question you might ask about their doctrines, the answer will be "The 28 Fundamental Beliefs are Seventh Day Adventism's official doctrines." Wink wink. When it is preaching and teaching to the membership, however, it continues to uphold Ellen White as equal with Moses; and of more importance than the rest of the Old Testament Prophets combined and certainly greater than St. Paul. There just is no way that you can find support for the 28 Fundamental Doctrines in the writings of Ellen White. They stand starkly in clear and unambiguous opposition. And there is absolutely NOTHING about Traditional/historic Adventism that remotely resembles historic Christianity. NOTHING.

There you have it! Is this as clear as mud? That is not my fault. But what I have done is to present the most honest and objective portrait of what Adventists actually believe, why they believe it, when they started believing it, and what they actually teach when nobody is looking.

 on: Today at 01:57:40 AM 
Started by kelly - Last post by hecma925
Boris Kustodiev, a versatile and prolific artist.

Portrait of a priest and a deacon, (1907)

School in Moscow Russia, (1907)

Easter Procession, (1915)

Easter Greeting, (1916)

Abbess, (1920)

Wanderer, (1920)

 on: Today at 01:37:08 AM 
Started by Nephi - Last post by minasoliman
[kidding]What would Fr. Sergius Bulgakov say?[/kidding]

 on: Today at 01:27:27 AM 
Started by Nephi - Last post by hecma925
Can I rant? Why do we need to use redundant monikers such as Eastern and Oriental when they mean the same freaking thing?  Huh

Chalcedonian and non-Chalcedonian don't work for people?  Smiley

In Christ,

To answer your question, because we all call ourselves "Eastern Orthodox". So as not to insult us, they asked us at some point to take the synonym of Eastern to help the distinguishing in the various dialogues with other Churches.

Doesn't work in Spanish as "Eastern" and "Oriental" are the same thing.

Seems to work in French, German, and English, which are the languages that matter Tongue

LOL, German.

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