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Discusión en español / Re: Quero mix
« Last post by RaphaCam on Yesterday at 11:03:28 AM »
?Que quieres decir/obtener en este tema?
Pensé "él" (Rapha) era un "ella"

 :angel:
:laugh:

"Rapha" es apodo de "Raphael".

usted es un mentiroso mal.
Por que soy mentiroso?  ???


BTW, #2000posts
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Religious Topics / Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Last post by mike on Yesterday at 09:37:10 AM »
Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function.

Isn't this why people drink coffee, though?

Caffeine is a stimulant but doesn't alter perceptions of reality or cloud one's judgement, nor is it correlated to brain damage as marijuana is.

It depends how much coffee you drink.
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Orthodox Family Forum / Re: Meanwhile in Holy Russia
« Last post by mike on Yesterday at 09:36:30 AM »
I started this thread to watch defenders of Holy Russia doing some mental and moral gymnastics to argue it's nbd whatsoever. I cannot say I am disappointed.
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Orthodox-Other Christian Discussion / Re: Taking a step back
« Last post by Rohzek on Yesterday at 09:25:36 AM »
On top of all that, I'm not sure whether the Orthodox Church is ready for me. One thing I've noticed is that Orthodoxy in the US seems to be rather clannish and secretive (probably due to the ethnocentrism thing; the convert-dominated parishes that do exist on the other hand are often fanatically separatist or rad-trad, which again is not my thing). It also doesn't seem to have a lot of resources for people with disabilities. I've e-mailed a lot of parishes in my area, both EO and OO, and several times I've asked if there were any parishioners who can give me a ride, since I can't drive.  Half the time they haven't responded to my e-mails. I'm not saying there should be a canon requiring priests to answer every e-mail they get, but sometimes I just get the feeling that the Orthodox Church is a tent that's not big enough to accomodate me. I'm not sure if it's because they don't have experience with dealing with people with special needs, or what. Say what you will about evangelicals, at least they will go out of their way to bring as many people as possible to church, including busing people in if they can't drive. That at least is one thing I admire about evangelicals; Catholics are like this too, albeit to a lesser extent. The Orthodox don't seem to actively seek people out, instead they just wait people to show up and the door, and then half the time the door seems to be shut if they don't like the look of the person! People with disabilities don't like having doors closed on them, but it's something that happens to us a lot ("all my life has been a series of doors in my face"), and I would hope the Church of all places would we different.

I can't say that I blame you on this count. I felt very fortunate to find a parish that was extraordinarily welcoming to me when I began my conversion process. They even offered me rides, thinking that I didn't have a car (I did). Even after converting, however, my priest warned me that not all Orthodox churches will welcome me due to not being "ethnically Orthodox." I just recently moved and I suspect that I am encountering just that. I can't be sure. The new church I'm attending is much bigger, so it might just be the big parish feel versus the small parish feel (my old church). But the question does come up, "Are you Orthodox?" And then it proceeds along till it's known that I'm a convert. The conversation usually just dies after that, or they have to go. I'm not sure what to think of it. I try to not judge. But the thought is always in the back of my mind.

Best of luck though and I hope you are able to find a parish that is more welcoming or doable for you. I myself had to put off converting until I moved and started graduate school (my MA program). The first Orthodox church I attended was very ethnic and entirely in Greek. I didn't get anything out of something I couldn't understand, so for the time being I just went back to my Catholic church and recited the Creed without the Filioque.
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Very interesting read. Thank you.
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Orthodox-Other Christian Discussion / Re: Taking a step back
« Last post by scamandrius on Yesterday at 08:52:21 AM »


On top of all that, I'm not sure whether the Orthodox Church is ready for me. One thing I've noticed is that Orthodoxy in the US seems to be rather clannish and secretive (probably due to the ethnocentrism thing; the convert-dominated parishes that do exist on the other hand are often fanatically separatist or rad-trad, which again is not my thing). It also doesn't seem to have a lot of resources for people with disabilities. I've e-mailed a lot of parishes in my area, both EO and OO, and several times I've asked if there were any parishioners who can give me a ride, since I can't drive.  Half the time they haven't responded to my e-mails. I'm not saying there should be a canon requiring priests to answer every e-mail they get, but sometimes I just get the feeling that the Orthodox Church is a tent that's not big enough to accomodate me. I'm not sure if it's because they don't have experience with dealing with people with special needs, or what. Say what you will about evangelicals, at least they will go out of their way to bring as many people as possible to church, including busing people in if they can't drive. That at least is one thing I admire about evangelicals; Catholics are like this too, albeit to a lesser extent. The Orthodox don't seem to actively seek people out, instead they just wait people to show up and the door, and then half the time the door seems to be shut if they don't like the look of the person! People with disabilities don't like having doors closed on them, but it's something that happens to us a lot ("all my life has been a series of doors in my face"), and I would hope the Church of all places would we different.

The Church is Catholic which means it encompasses everyone and everything and is open to everyone  who desires it.  This paragraph of your little manifesto is insulting to the Church.  What kind of accommodations do you require?  At my own parish, there are people there in wheelchairs with debilitating neurological illnesses, a few children who are on various parts of the autism spectrum, and who knows how many people with some sort of mental illness like depression and bipolar disorder.  But they still come.  They haven't left; they keep coming back.  They don't see their issues a hindrance.  So, I cannot help but regard this manifesto and this paragraph in particular as nothing more than being all about you.  It's very egocentric and you're making demands so that the church conforms to you.  Part of becoming an Orthodox Christian is not that you change the Church but the Church changes you.

As far as priests not contacting you, have you ever tried calling or visiting in person?  My priest NEVER replies via email.  But if I call, I get a call back.  Some priests are just old-fashioned that way which isn't a bad thing.  It may not be convenient, but that's a whole other issue.

I also think you are judging the whole of the church by your experience with a very few Orthodox.  You've done a fair amount of reading and your probably assume that the Orthodox Church is like what you have read.  Well, people are people and I don't care if they're Roman Catholic, Buddhist, atheist, or whatever.  People are people and do terrible things. It's just something you have to get over.  THe Church is the pearl of great price, but you often have to swim through a lot of hazardous and unpleasant waters to obtain it.

With regards to evangelization, it is a difference of style and I think it is also a difference in end-game thinking.  Protestants, Evangelicals in particular, are doing evangelization as a holding action against the defections they've witnessed. As Protestantism continues its course into the syncretic union of left-wing/right wing polarization and christianity-lite, I think there will be more people coming to the Church. Now, we may decry that as "escapism" and wrong but if they come into the church and willingly join themselves to it why should we decry that?  Is that form of joining the Church somehow not as good as a person who joins because the spouse is Orthodox?  If they join themselves, willingly, to the Church and embrace it and are willing to be changed by what the Church has to offer, who cares about the motives?  Can the Church do more?  Maybe, but what would you suggest besides merely bussing people in?

I've said my piece. Take it or leave it as you wish.

The Chruch will still be around if or when you decide that you wish to join yourself to her.  Good luck.
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Technical Help / Re: My warning level is 24%...
« Last post by LizaSymonenko on Yesterday at 08:06:54 AM »
AFAIK, there was no detailed explanation how the current system of warnings is supposed to work. I'm not exactly sure the mods actually know that so there's an explanation.

I'm sorry to disappoint you...but, the mods know exactly how the system works....but, you clearly you are not a moderator, and wouldn't know that.



Wouldn't it be fair to tell users on what basis you throw these warnings? Or do you take pleasure in the fact we do not know what, when, and why can hit us?

y/n

The individual who undergoes a particular warning is always communicated to. Therefore, he/she is aware. The rest of the readers do not need to know the details of someone else's warning.

Just as we wouldn't divulge personal information, we won't divulge personal conversations with the individuals.

Not all warnings are the same....some are personalized to fit various individuals and curtail their infractions....and are between the moderator and the individual....who is fully aware of the situation.

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Orthodox Family Forum / Re: Meanwhile in Holy Russia
« Last post by Iconodule on Yesterday at 07:59:25 AM »
"Give it time..." Such words demonstrate naïveté and also unwittingly show that you do not consider abortion as serious an issue as you claim. Blaming western-backed outside agitators is of course the cliched icing on the cake.
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Non-Religious Topics / How Ethiopian Prince scuppered Germany's WWI Plans
« Last post by Jetavan on Yesterday at 07:24:00 AM »
"A hundred years ago, the Ethiopian prince Lij Iyasu was deposed after the Orthodox church feared he had converted to Islam. But it also scuppered Germany's plans to draw Ethiopia into World War One, writes Martin Plaut."
BBC
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Orthodox Family Forum / Re: Meanwhile in Holy Russia
« Last post by Saxon on Yesterday at 07:17:14 AM »
Russia is still dealing with the legacy of 70 years of godless, dehumanizing communism. Unrestricted abortion was one of the hallmarks of that system. Great progress is being made by Putin and the United Russia Party in shoring up social values in the state; an overnight blanket ban on abortion would exacerbate an already tense situation, with foreign-funded radical feminist groups taking to the streets as part of the West's attempts to destabilize Putin's government. Give it time - Russia needs a higher birthrate, and, in concert with the Church, Putin will put an end to this.
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