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Prayer Forum / Re: For my sister Stella
« Last post by Ainnir on Yesterday at 02:54:58 PM »
Lord, have mercy!
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by beebert on Yesterday at 02:45:01 PM »
I identify myself a lot with Ivan. Even if I prefer the character whos name you use (Alyosha). More than that; I dont understand what you are talking about and I frankly dont care. The Grand Inquisitor isnt by the way a literalist. And he isnt a hypocrite. He is Most certainly the opposite of that. Didnt you understand the story about the Grand Inquisitor? But I do call fanaticism the most evil of things in all its forms, whether atheist or religous.

Judging from your posting history, you seem very devoted to believe yourself more clever than the Fathers and than those stupid literalists, more loving than those evil Hell believers and that wicked St. Augustine, etc. These two groups are the only ones to blame for the rise of atheism. The Church has been wrong for 2000 years, now we truly begin to understand what it means to be a True™ Christian thanks to St. Friedrich Nietzsche and St. Ivan Karamazov.
I guess it is hard to understand me. But yes. There have been many Christians in history whose morality digusts me more than anything else : Tertullian, Aquinas and Calvin are Three. Augustine I both admire and oppose. But there are other Christians whose viewst I admire more than any other views: Gregory of Nyssa, Isaac Syrian, Dostoevsky and Starets Silouan to name a few. Nietszche was very important for western christisnity I believe and yes: I do appreciate him. I have never called myself more loving than anyone. I have never called Ivan a saint or a proclaimer of theTruth with a big T. Though I do Believe he had a true Point and challenged an attitude and a belief that deserves to be  questioned. Just as Nietzsche. I have never Said that the Church has been wrong for 2000 years untill the two Guys mentioned. Your post is full of false "accusations" it seems to me
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by AlioshaKaramazov on Yesterday at 02:38:23 PM »
I identify myself a lot with Ivan. Even if I prefer the character whos name you use (Alyosha). More than that; I dont understand what you are talking about and I frankly dont care. The Grand Inquisitor isnt by the way a literalist. And he isnt a hypocrite. He is Most certainly the opposite of that. Didnt you understand the story about the Grand Inquisitor? But I do call fanaticism the most evil of things in all its forms, whether atheist or religous.

Judging from your posting history, you seem very devoted to believe yourself more clever than the Fathers and than those stupid literalists, more loving than those evil Hell believers and that wicked St. Augustine, etc. These two groups are the only ones to blame for the rise of atheism. The Church has been wrong for 2000 years, now we truly begin to understand what it means to be a True™ Christian thanks to St. Friedrich Nietzsche and St. Ivan Karamazov.
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by beebert on Yesterday at 02:31:04 PM »
Poetic Language and myth reveals truths in themselves, and can Touch things deeper than what science can discover. This is what Young-Earth creationists dont realize, and as a result, they become deluded. To say Jesus believed the scripture literally and that he was a young-earth creationist is just your interpretation.

I didn't say Jesus was a young-earth creationist.  I think it's foolish to label Jesus as a member of a 20th century Protestant movement. 

But I am not sure that means he didn't take the words of the Scriptures as written for granted.  Where he interprets them in a "different" way, it's almost always to show how he fulfills them in himself.  Otherwise, I don't see him reinterpreting everything to mean something other than what it says.  Perhaps he didn't think it was important to get into such things as whether creation took six days or several billion years (and, if so, there's a lesson in that), but that's about as liberal an interpretation I think you can give to the witness of the NT.  It's more reasonable to conclude that he believed the Scriptures as written than to believe he was some divine Neil deGrasse Tyson who died for our sins without unlocking the secrets of the cosmos for us.   
 
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I say he used those myths to prove a Point and speak about spiritual realities and depths that couldnt be expressed in Another way.

Sure.  All I'm saying is that you're mistaken to believe that there are only two choices: blind acceptance of scientific theories or complete ignorance born from religious superstition. 

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And I agree that the average atheist is What he is for selfish reasons. I would say the same about the average religious person.

Oh? 

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When I speak about the reason for atheism, I speak about the reason which made Dostoevsky write the Grand Inquisitor, Kierkegaard revolt against the Danish Lutheran Church and Nietzsche pronounce the death of God (which was in NO way a denial of God's existence, but an attack against "Christian" idolaters Most of all). Religous hypocrisy is a greater problem than atheism.

In the end, both will burn.
For me personally, more questions arised because of Christ. That is not something I blame him for. He has explained the human condition. I dont Believe there are Only two options. But those two mentioned options I oppose and reject. I neither blindly accept science (that would be stupid and shallow) not do I accept religous superstition and religous attacks against science... As if young-earth creationism needs to be a dogma believed in in order to be saved. That is what I oppose. I am not sure atheists and idolaters Will burn eternally as is traditionally taught. But I guess I Will have to wait and see until when I go to hell myself
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Prayer Forum / Re: For my sister Stella
« Last post by marigold on Yesterday at 02:30:06 PM »
Lord, have mercy on Stella.
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Prayer Forum / Re: For my sister Stella
« Last post by IXOYE on Yesterday at 02:29:27 PM »
Lord, have mercy!
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by beebert on Yesterday at 02:19:39 PM »

Poetic Language and myth reveals truths in themselves, and can Touch things deeper than what science can discover. This is what Young-Earth creationists dont realize, and as a result, they become deluded. To say Jesus believed the scripture literally and that he was a young-earth creationist is just your interpretation. I say he used those myths to prove a Point and speak about spiritual realities and depths that couldnt be expressed in Another way.
And I agree that the average atheist is What he is for selfish reasons. I would say the same about the average religious person. When I speak about the reason for atheism, I speak about the reason which made Dostoevsky write the Grand Inquisitor, Kierkegaard revolt against the Danish Lutheran Church and Nietzsche pronounce the death of God (which was in NO way a denial of God's existence, but an attack against "Christian" idolaters Most of all). Religous hypocrisy is a greater problem than atheism.

Arrogant people like you believing themselves to be more pure, enlightened and loving Christians than those idolatrous, hypocritical, literalist Grand Inquisitors could be blamed for the rise of extremism and fanaticism. See how two can play this game?
I identify myself a lot with Ivan. Even if I prefer the character whos name you use (Alyosha). More than that; I dont understand what you are talking about and I frankly dont care. The Grand Inquisitor isnt in any way a literalist. And he isnt a hypocrite. He is Most certainly the opposite of that. Didnt you understand the story about the Grand Inquisitor? But I do call fanaticism the most evil of things in all its forms, whether atheist or religous. And you have certainly missunderstood me if you label me a pharisee. I am not Close to being pure or Thinking myself pure.
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by AlioshaKaramazov on Yesterday at 02:16:01 PM »

Poetic Language and myth reveals truths in themselves, and can Touch things deeper than what science can discover. This is what Young-Earth creationists dont realize, and as a result, they become deluded. To say Jesus believed the scripture literally and that he was a young-earth creationist is just your interpretation. I say he used those myths to prove a Point and speak about spiritual realities and depths that couldnt be expressed in Another way.
And I agree that the average atheist is What he is for selfish reasons. I would say the same about the average religious person. When I speak about the reason for atheism, I speak about the reason which made Dostoevsky write the Grand Inquisitor, Kierkegaard revolt against the Danish Lutheran Church and Nietzsche pronounce the death of God (which was in NO way a denial of God's existence, but an attack against "Christian" idolaters Most of all). Religous hypocrisy is a greater problem than atheism.

Arrogant people like you believing themselves to be more pure, enlightened and loving Christians than those idolatrous, hypocritical, literalist Grand Inquisitors could be blamed for the rise of extremism and fanaticism. See how two can play this game?
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lol Methodist high court

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Her Majesty's High Court of Justice in England (usually known as the High Court of Justice of England and Wales, the High Court of Justice or, simply, the High Court) is, together with the Court of Appeal and the Crown Court, one of the Senior Courts of England and Wales. Its name is abbreviated as EWHC for legal citation purposes.

The High Court deals at first instance with all high value and high importance cases, and also has a supervisory jurisdiction over all subordinate courts and tribunals, with a few statutory exceptions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Court_of_Justice
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by Mor Ephrem on Yesterday at 02:10:03 PM »
Poetic Language and myth reveals truths in themselves, and can Touch things deeper than what science can discover. This is what Young-Earth creationists dont realize, and as a result, they become deluded. To say Jesus believed the scripture literally and that he was a young-earth creationist is just your interpretation.

I didn't say Jesus was a young-earth creationist.  I think it's foolish to label Jesus as a member of a 20th century Protestant movement. 

But I am not sure that means he didn't take the words of the Scriptures as written for granted.  Where he interprets them in a "different" way, it's almost always to show how he fulfills them in himself.  Otherwise, I don't see him reinterpreting everything to mean something other than what it says.  Perhaps he didn't think it was important to get into such things as whether creation took six days or several billion years (and, if so, there's a lesson in that), but that's about as liberal an interpretation I think you can give to the witness of the NT.  It's more reasonable to conclude that he believed the Scriptures as written than to believe he was some divine Neil deGrasse Tyson who died for our sins without unlocking the secrets of the cosmos for us.   
 
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I say he used those myths to prove a Point and speak about spiritual realities and depths that couldnt be expressed in Another way.

Sure.  All I'm saying is that you're mistaken to believe that there are only two choices: blind acceptance of scientific theories or complete ignorance born from religious superstition. 

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And I agree that the average atheist is What he is for selfish reasons. I would say the same about the average religious person.

Oh? 

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When I speak about the reason for atheism, I speak about the reason which made Dostoevsky write the Grand Inquisitor, Kierkegaard revolt against the Danish Lutheran Church and Nietzsche pronounce the death of God (which was in NO way a denial of God's existence, but an attack against "Christian" idolaters Most of all). Religous hypocrisy is a greater problem than atheism.

In the end, both will burn.
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