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Faith Issues / Re: Mid-Pentecost, Paschaltide and fasting
« Last post by Bob2 on Today at 01:09:02 PM »
Regular fish day for us. All Wednesdays and Fridays through Pentecost are at a minimum wine and oil days.
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For my part, I'd never heard of him, but I am as pleased to read and hear his story as I have been to hear many uncelebrity stories. What made a difference for me was that he was someone my husband had heard of, and thus grabbed his attention more than my recommendation that he read Becoming Orthodox. Different avenues of learning and reaching people. Doesn't imply any superiority, and nor should it.

I'm glad :) That's wonderful.

I just don't want to see a "TBN-ization" of Orthodoxy if you catch my meaning.


Because  http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/   IS just like TBN...


Seriously....whether or not you like it....he IS Orthodox...and he can do a lot more good then 95% of the blowhards here telling him to shut up can, simply by being a public figure.


The fact that people here -attack- Brothers in Christ, judging them and their -right- to try and share the Church....


Sorry...saddest thing I have read here yet.
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I have great respect for Fr. Schmemann, but it should be noted that him and the "Parisian School" of thought that he represents are not without controversy in Orthodox theology.

I've become increasingly aware of that.

After the Reformation, the Catholics doubled-down on their catechism (they had very little before, Martin Luther basically wrote the first modern catechism for Christians).   The Orthodox sensed a weakness in their catechism vs. the West's missionary efforts and aped the theology of Rome as much as their tradition allowed,  to teach people the faith, and so forth.  They borrowed a lot from Rome to do so, in terms of the concepts, but also some of the theology (you will find Russian Orthodox that affirm Augustinian original sin, for instance).
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I have been struggling with coming up with an appropriate comment to make here about this subject and the cynical, self righteous tone taken by so many of you in this thread - most of whom are, I suspect, converts yourselves.

All too often, in my view, online converts have a tendency to prattle on about just how unknowledgeable, unchurched, ethnic, close minded, unwelcoming - even un-Orthodox - whatever - many/most of us born into Orthodoxy are in your mind. (To be clear, this does not happen as much in real churches, with real walls and real people - but it is visible in Netodoxy. And I admit in the 'real' world there are those born into the Church who do behave as charged.)

Well guess what, if that is how you stereotypically define 'us', how does it feel for you to act out against this man in the same way you think we behave?

If the shoe fits.... :-[

For what its worth, I absolutely LOVE people that are born and raised in the Orthodox Church.  Usually they are very mellow people, quite pious, and humble and down-to-earth.  They have nothing to "prove." I really enjoy their company and love to hear the stories of their particular history and especially their musical traditions.  They keep us converts anchored, sane, and keep us from going off the proverbial "deep end", as crazy converts are known to do from time to time.

I was born into Orthodoxy but I really admire converts. They have so much eagerness for truth is wonderful. I'm happy both converts and cradle Orthodox can admire each other and encourage each other to Christ :)
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For my part, I'd never heard of him, but I am as pleased to read and hear his story as I have been to hear many uncelebrity stories. What made a difference for me was that he was someone my husband had heard of, and thus grabbed his attention more than my recommendation that he read Becoming Orthodox. Different avenues of learning and reaching people. Doesn't imply any superiority, and nor should it.

I'm glad :) That's wonderful.

I just don't want to see a "TBN-ization" of Orthodoxy if you catch my meaning. Not that that would be Jonathan's fault if it happened nor do I accuse him of wanting such.
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I have been struggling with coming up with an appropriate comment to make here about this subject and the cynical, self righteous tone taken by so many of you in this thread - most of whom are, I suspect, converts yourselves.

All too often, in my view, online converts have a tendency to prattle on about just how unknowledgeable, unchurched, ethnic, close minded, unwelcoming - even un-Orthodox - whatever - many/most of us born into Orthodoxy are in your mind. (To be clear, this does not happen as much in real churches, with real walls and real people - but it is visible in Netodoxy. And I admit in the 'real' world there are those born into the Church who do behave as charged.)

Well guess what, if that is how you stereotypically define 'us', how does it feel for you to act out against this man in the same way you think we behave?

If the shoe fits.... :-[

For what its worth, I absolutely LOVE people that are born and raised in the Orthodox Church.  Usually they are very mellow people, quite pious, and humble and down-to-earth.  They have nothing to "prove." I really enjoy their company and love to hear the stories of their particular history and especially their musical traditions.  They keep us converts anchored, sane, and keep us from going off the proverbial "deep end", as crazy converts are known to do from time to time.
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Other Topics / Re: The Sports Thread
« Last post by biro on Today at 12:48:22 PM »
Sir Alex Ferguson
Shirley Muldowney
Tom Seaver
Jim Craig
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I have been struggling with coming up with an appropriate comment to make here about this subject and the cynical, self righteous tone taken by so many of you in this thread - most of whom are, I suspect, converts yourselves.

All too often, in my view, online converts have a tendency to prattle on about just how unknowledgeable, unchurched, ethnic, close minded, unwelcoming - even un-Orthodox - whatever - many/most of us born into Orthodoxy are in your mind. (To be clear, this does not happen as much in real churches, with real walls and real people - but it is visible in Netodoxy. And I admit in the 'real' world there are those born into the Church who do behave as charged.)

Well guess what, if that is how you stereotypically define 'us', how does it feel for you to act out against this man in the same way you think we behave?

If the shoe fits.... :-[

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Orthodox-Protestant Discussion / Re: formerly orthodox?
« Last post by biro on Today at 12:34:29 PM »
We are going to have to agree to disagree.
As if disagreement was really the problem.

No kidding. Oh and btw, I really hate that "agree to disagree" stuff. What does it even mean?

I can't believe you haven't heard that expression. It seems pretty self-explanatory.
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Dear Jonathan:

If you are even yet reading this thread, I wish you all the best. The beard looks fine. I recognize that as  one with some amount of fame you've got the bully pulpit for the faith, whether you wanted it or not. Do some good with it, even if grumpy assholes (like me) criticize you for it. Hope the book sells well and you continue to grow in the faith, though not in that order.
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