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 on: Today at 04:54:03 PM 
Started by Indocern - Last post by Porter ODoran
The more reliable witnesses in describing how any two things are related are those who have studied both. With regard to science and religion, polemicists on any side of any "debate" who have studied neither, or who have studied only one avenue to a profound depth, are not genuinely reliable guides to all sides of the question.

www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2014/01/orthodox-bishop-answers-4-questions-on.html

Studying the underpinnings of both (and stopping this charade that the two are poles) would serve well too. And, really, long experience in science as a purely technical undertaking -- autoclaving the beaker again, updating the spreadsheet -- would not seem all that apropos.

 72 
 on: Today at 04:53:07 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Raylight
I still wonder what is the state of some Catholic priests, bishops and theologians who doubt some of the miracles mentioned in the Bible and even deny them. Because canon 4 of the First Vatican Council on faith seems like to anathematize those priests and bishops.

Canon 4 was produced at a very convenient time in Roman Catholicism.

In 1854, there was the declaration of the Blessed Virgin Mary as being the "Immaculate Conception."
Only four years later, in 1858,  there were the apparitions at Lourdes where the BVM declared herself to be the "Immaculate Conception."

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Although the belief that Mary was sinless and conceived immaculate has been widely held since Late Antiquity, the doctrine was not dogmatically defined until 1854, by Pope Pius IX in his papal bull Ineffabilis Deus.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

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"Thursday, March 25, 1858"

"I went every day for a fortnight, and each day I asked her who she was–and this petition always made her smile. After the fortnight I asked her three times consecutively. She always smiled. At last I tried for the fourth time. She stopped smiling. With her arms down, she raised her eyes to heaven and then, folding her hands over her breast she said, 'I am the Immaculate Conception.' Then I went back to M. le Curé to tell him that she had said she was the Immaculate Conception, and he asked was I absolutely certain. I said yes, and so as not to forget the words, I had repeated them all the way home."

http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/bg_lourdes_conception.htm

Twelve years later, in 1870, Vatican I was held in which Canon 4 was defined.

But the canon itself doesn't apply to the Virgin Mary alone. It applies to the Bible itself and to all miracles in it and in the history of the Church. Plus, that doesn't mean the canon stopped apply on us today.



If the canon is still in force, then why are these "Catholic theologians" debunking biblical miracles as myths. Yes, I did study at a Catholic university, and yes, I was exposed to these "theologians."

And that is very sad thing. I was also exposed to these theologians by their writings and I totally disagree with them. And that is why lately I'm leaning to the Traditionalist Catholic point of view ( which I never thought of doing ) , because they seem to be more on line with the Church than other Catholics.

Those "theologians" are the children of the secular theology that deny the supernatural. And since they deny the supernatural, of course they will have to deny the miracles mentioned in the sacred scripture.

 73 
 on: Today at 04:52:44 PM 
Started by Jetavan - Last post by Maria
It is also interesting to note that one of the documents being prepared for the proposed Council in 1916 condemns Yoga.

?

2016? If so, can you provide a reference?

I am still in the 20th century.  laugh
This Council of 2016 has been in preparation since the 20th century. Almost a 100 years in the making, if not more.

Well, there was a recent thread about the condemnation of yoga, witchcraft, reflexology, etc.

I cannot find it. The only thread that comes up is this one.
I tried pre-conciliar documents, Council of 2016, homeopathy, yoga, witchcraft, reflexology, but struck out.

 74 
 on: Today at 04:51:29 PM 
Started by andrewlya - Last post by jewish voice
You guys are funny thanks for the laugh laugh laugh

 75 
 on: Today at 04:49:01 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Maria
I still wonder what is the state of some Catholic priests, bishops and theologians who doubt some of the miracles mentioned in the Bible and even deny them. Because canon 4 of the First Vatican Council on faith seems like to anathematize those priests and bishops.

Canon 4 was produced at a very convenient time in Roman Catholicism.

In 1854, there was the declaration of the Blessed Virgin Mary as being the "Immaculate Conception."
Only four years later, in 1858,  there were the apparitions at Lourdes where the BVM declared herself to be the "Immaculate Conception."

Quote
Although the belief that Mary was sinless and conceived immaculate has been widely held since Late Antiquity, the doctrine was not dogmatically defined until 1854, by Pope Pius IX in his papal bull Ineffabilis Deus.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

Quote
"Thursday, March 25, 1858"

"I went every day for a fortnight, and each day I asked her who she was–and this petition always made her smile. After the fortnight I asked her three times consecutively. She always smiled. At last I tried for the fourth time. She stopped smiling. With her arms down, she raised her eyes to heaven and then, folding her hands over her breast she said, 'I am the Immaculate Conception.' Then I went back to M. le Curé to tell him that she had said she was the Immaculate Conception, and he asked was I absolutely certain. I said yes, and so as not to forget the words, I had repeated them all the way home."

http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/bg_lourdes_conception.htm

Twelve years later, in 1870, Vatican I was held in which Canon 4 was defined.

But the canon itself doesn't apply to the Virgin Mary alone. It applies to the Bible itself and to all miracles in it and in the history of the Church. Plus, that doesn't mean the canon stopped apply on us today.



If the canon is still in force, then why are these "Catholic theologians" debunking biblical miracles as myths. Yes, I did study at a Catholic university, and yes, I was exposed to these "theologians."

 76 
 on: Today at 04:46:25 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Maria
Later, there were the apparitions of Fatima, where once again, the BVM declared herself to be "the Immaculate Conception."

And now, we are seeing the continual "miracles on demand" at Medjugorje where a ghost like apparition started appearing precisely on the 40th anniversary of the Serbian Orthodox Christian genocide..

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

 77 
 on: Today at 04:46:19 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Raylight
I still wonder what is the state of some Catholic priests, bishops and theologians who doubt some of the miracles mentioned in the Bible and even deny them. Because canon 4 of the First Vatican Council on faith seems like to anathematize those priests and bishops.

Canon 4 was produced at a very convenient time in Roman Catholicism.

In 1854, there was the declaration of the Blessed Virgin Mary as being the "Immaculate Conception."
Only four years later, in 1858,  there were the apparitions at Lourdes where the BVM declared herself to be the "Immaculate Conception."

Quote
Although the belief that Mary was sinless and conceived immaculate has been widely held since Late Antiquity, the doctrine was not dogmatically defined until 1854, by Pope Pius IX in his papal bull Ineffabilis Deus.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

Quote
"Thursday, March 25, 1858"

"I went every day for a fortnight, and each day I asked her who she was–and this petition always made her smile. After the fortnight I asked her three times consecutively. She always smiled. At last I tried for the fourth time. She stopped smiling. With her arms down, she raised her eyes to heaven and then, folding her hands over her breast she said, 'I am the Immaculate Conception.' Then I went back to M. le Curé to tell him that she had said she was the Immaculate Conception, and he asked was I absolutely certain. I said yes, and so as not to forget the words, I had repeated them all the way home."

http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/bg_lourdes_conception.htm

Twelve years later, in 1870, Vatican I was held in which Canon 4 was defined.

But the canon itself doesn't apply to the Virgin Mary alone. It applies to the Bible itself and to all miracles in it and in the history of the Church. Plus, that doesn't mean the canon stopped apply on us today.


 78 
 on: Today at 04:43:10 PM 
Started by PeterTheAleut - Last post by PeterTheAleut
This topic has been moved to Religious Topics.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=60407.0

 79 
 on: Today at 04:42:54 PM 
Started by BrethrenBoy - Last post by TheTrisagion
Was that back when she was still hot? I shudder to think of what she must look like now. I would google it, but then I might barf.

 80 
 on: Today at 04:42:19 PM 
Started by BrassMonkey - Last post by PeterTheAleut
Probably not helpful in view of your conversion to Orthodoxy, but why not do what we do, bring the child up in the knowledge of the Lord, and allow him or her to decide whether or not to follow Christ in baptism at a later age? It is always desperately sad when a husband and wife worship at different churches. May the Lord lead you to unity of heart and spirit in Him.

Christ says he wants children to come to him, not teenagers. Though, no doubt Christ loves them too.
What? Teenagers aren't children?

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