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 on: Today at 07:01:13 AM 
Started by chrisgeo - Last post by chrisgeo
Some of you know from my other thread that my wife and I are looking to move to warmer states. In my search I came across www.saintpeterorthodox.org and I am confused about the terminology they use and hope you can explain it to me. I have never heard the Divine Liturgy referred to as "Mass". They also refer to the priests as "The Reverend . . ." and "The Right Reverend . . ." Is that an Antiochian thing?  Huh

 on: Today at 06:45:44 AM 
Started by CopticDeacon - Last post by Ekdikos
I don't think that it's how high you reach, but the fact that you're on the road that counts.

Not everyone who will be saved will have achieved the sanctity of St. Seraphim of Sarov, yet if we embark on this path with faith and humility, constantly moving forward, wherever we end if we have not strayed I don't think God will be disappointed in us.

I think you bit misunderstan quote. We are getting gifts of Holy Spirit trugh Holy Mysteries... of course, I dont imply all of us could reach theosis... but theosis is Slavation in Orthodox way, to put it simply.

Theosis refers to both process and goal of that process. And this process never ends. It goes beyond of restoring humankind to pre-fall state. Smiley

 on: Today at 06:42:32 AM 
Started by liefern - Last post by Ekdikos
I conclude that since the new one was imposed by outside secularist (communist) forces, it has a strike against it.

Your conclusion is wrong. Communism had nothing to do with certain Orthodox jurisdictions adopting the new calendar.

I don't have my sources handy. I thought Bolshevism imposed calendar changes sometime between 1917 and the early 1920s.

Russian and Georgian Orthodox Churches, who were under Bolsheviks use Old Calendar exclusively... Also Serbian who was under Titoist Communist regime... 

 on: Today at 06:41:16 AM 
Started by orthoreader - Last post by Ekdikos
I am not in the Macedonian Orthodox Church..
Ok, but it does not change my line of reasoning. I just need to change pro-nouns. Ok?

Yes. Officially, no one co-celebrates Divine Liturgy with the MOC. On a smaller level, this is not true.
There are priests who breech canons. Its relevation...
Now, seriously, when Patriarch Kiril visit Macedonia... (theoretically speaking, I ahve no clue if he plans) will he go to celebrate with Stefan?
Will anyone mention Macedonians in Orthodox Church in catechism, in encyclical, will anyone call them to pan-Orthodox gatherings...

And I wouldn't make that bold of a claim that no one accepts Macedonians as Orthodox Christians. Serbs consider Macedonians as Orthodox Christians and have no problem attending Macedonian Orthodox Churches.
Thats quite generalization. I know some who are not qite cathecized, who would go, I know some who would not. But again believer breeching canons is not something new either.

You know your arguments are weak. Also, when Macedonian move to Serbia or Bosnia, he becomes member of Serbian Church without big deal... nobody question him, nobody asks for confession or something..

Except when they purchased Ohrid from the Phanar...
What specificialy you have in mind? In XX century, Phanar agreed to ordain Serb as Metropolitan of Skoplje... latter in 1920, all territories in Kingdom of SHS, future Kingdom of Yugoslavia were given to Church of Serbia...

Yes you're correct. I'm not a scholar. I have some education, but I didn't stay at a seminary. I agree that there is no canonical standing, officially. But then again, canonical Orthodox Churches who are in full communion send monks to Macedonian monasteries, and Deacons from Russia co-celebrate in Macedonian Orthodox Liturgy. So there has to be some sort of standing ...
You mean monks from countries with Canonincal Orthodox Churches? I dont think Russian Church or any other sent some monk in Macedonia... and please, Serbia is full of ethnic Macedonian monks. Litreraly. Deacons from Russia breech canons.. well, there are canonicaly ordained priests who concelebrate with Roman-Catholics, does it imply we are one Church with them? Is them some sort of standing?

Compromise. And pastoral compromise would be what? Changing the name? And what spiritual benefit would there be from getting the chrism from Serbia and commemorating His Grace, Irinej in the Divine Liturgy? Humility perhaps? Or is this more to benefit the SOC?
Irinej is His Holliness. Besides, only bishops mention him in Liturgies, except of his own Eparchy (city of Belgrade and Pećka Patrijaršija Monastery). Besides what is wrong with mentioning him.. He mentions rest 8 of Patriarchs when he is Serving... Somehow, I dont see that compromise, endanger Macedonian nation at all, since Macedonian language would be guaranted. And if Macedonian side claim to be successor of Ohrid, whats wrong with that name? Official title of Serbian Patriarch is: Archbishop of Šeć, Metropolitan of Belgrade and Karlovci, and Patriarch of Serbia... 

Why would I have to discuss it with the Greeks? The SOC is Ohrid's mother church, no?
I maeant why they (Greeks as people, not as Church) dont want to accept name of Macedonia. Honestly, I think both sides have some arguments.. Serbian Church does not have problems with name Macedonia. In Niš agreement, it was agreed administrative language would eb Macedonian (under taht name).
 Anyway, I dont think Macedonians would eb ready to accept nomina Serbian jurisdiction (like in case UOC-MP), even if Serbs would concede to use Macedonian Orthodox Church/Archbishopric of Ohrid or something similar... Its justm my opinion.

We did? My grandfather was born in 1901. He he always stated he was Macedonian? Let's try some new history books.
What I meant, in 1967 Macedonian side could got name Macedonian Orthodox Church as Autonomous Metropolis of Serbian Orthodox Church.... proably in 1991, it would be no resistance to obtain Autocephaly... But seems to me, Communists were more interested to make rift between Serbs and Macedonians, which, unfortunatley they obtaiened.

This pretty much encapsulates the reason why a solution is very difficult to obtain. Because we are looking for worldly justice where pastoral care is needed. It's one thing to seek penance, it completely another to pay someone one back.
What would be pastoral compromise by your opinion?

And please forgive me. I do not know if you are clergy, I would like to pay my respects properly..

I am layman. I hope, I will be ordained sometimes, but for now, I am not even tonsured. Our Bishop does not tonsure to minor orders, until before ordiantion in Deacon. Smiley

I hope we will one day look at all of this as past. Lord, grant unity to yours Churches.

 on: Today at 06:39:58 AM 
Started by Aindriú - Last post by liefern
Banned for being posting in a game thread right away.

 on: Today at 06:33:52 AM 
Started by Maria - Last post by Ikonos

Some people need to see patterns in anything.

Sorry,it might be these glasses I normally wear:

Let me take them off........Oh my God - is this for real?

 on: Today at 06:28:11 AM 
Started by primuspilus - Last post by biro
Wow! How wonderful. Congratulations to you and your family. Smiley

 on: Today at 06:08:38 AM 
Started by john_mo - Last post by Alpo
IIRC augustin has loads of funny anecdotes about saintly elders. He has posted a few somewhere on OC.net.

 on: Today at 06:08:01 AM 
Started by liefern - Last post by liefern
I conclude that since the new one was imposed by outside secularist (communist) forces, it has a strike against it.

Your conclusion is wrong. Communism had nothing to do with certain Orthodox jurisdictions adopting the new calendar.

I don't have my sources handy. I thought Bolshevism imposed calendar changes sometime between 1917 and the early 1920s.

 on: Today at 06:01:04 AM 
Started by john_mo - Last post by Raylight
WHAT?!?! That is unexpected.

Here, go commit adultery with a prostitute better than being homosexual.  Cheesy Cheesy

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