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Other Topics / Re: Greek Rembetika
« Last post by Apostolos on Today at 07:11:15 AM »
Α rembetika song composed by Demosthenes Zattas and recorded for the first time in the US with Yiannakis Ioannidis aka Jack Gregory as lead singer, in the Hüzzam scale; the singer of the modern cover is Dimitris Mystakidis who also plays the guitar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKSeuPO4PiI

'The Pinochles (=the Pinochle player)' (1928)

I was born in Piraeus and my name is Tsoklis
I was born in Piraeus and my name is Tsoklis
but here I was renamed and now I'm Pinochles
but here I was renamed and now I'm Pinochles

In Piraeus I resided down at the Pashaliman*
In Piraeus I resided down at the Pashaliman
but here in New York I stay at a Madison Motel
but here in New York I stay at a Madison Motel

And do you wanna know dudes, how I ended up here?
And do you wanna know dudes, how I ended up here?
Blame Colombus for discovering the land that's out there
Blame Colombus for discovering the land that's out there.

*Pashaliman is the Ottoman and colloquial name of the bay of Zea in Piraeus.

A rembetika manes after Markos Vamvakaris, lyrics by Stratos Payioumdzis, in the Minor scale, the singer is Stratos Payioumdzis, solo bouzouki by Markos Vamvakaris:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGa-UOk8Gtk

'Minore Manes' (1936)

Oh.
Dead, I knock, open up
and let me in, let me in to wipe clean

Let me in to wipe clean
the place I'll stay, I'll stay, I'll stay for ever
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Liturgy / Re: Why do all churches in EOy use the same rite?
« Last post by noahzarc1 on Today at 07:09:31 AM »
In fact every single rite today in existence has been reformed. None of them are as they were originally laid down.

So what should the faithful do? Stop going to church?

This is what I guess I can't figure out about this thread, because I think everyone here recognizes exactly what you've said is the reality of the rites today. You seem to be arguing for the fact that Rome can (and did) reform the Latin Rite into the Novus Ordo and this was well within their authority and jurisdiction to do so, but anyone else who did any reforms had no right to do so and those you call these suppressions.

I think my issue is that what you seem to call suppressions were really reforms and what you seem to call reforms were really suppressions. You seem to keep saying it is not a "Catholic" thing, but it is, because you as a Catholic first of all started this thread. Here is why people look to the tradition of the one starting this thread and say, "hold on a minute." Let's take a look at the word "suppression." It means to erase completely from memory, as if it never happened. This is exactly the point behind the suppression of evidence in court for example. The evidence cannot even be said to have ever existed. This appears to me to be what exactly happened when the Tridentine Rite was replaced in Rome by the Novus Ordo. It was as if the Rite was completely stripped from the conscience of the church. Alters were torn down, church were remodeled and changed, the entire Rite was completely suppressed (if so to use the word) by the post-Vatican II innovators.

However, the Antiochans for example bring the mass of St. Gregory back, add an epiklesis and this you say they have no right to do and appear to call this "suppression." I think this is the overall issue I often see people take with your threads. You always seem to have one set of terms for what you call what Rome does and then you have big tent/catch all terms for what you say the rest of the Orthodox world does.
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The Patriarch always has a joyful face.
He is from Crete originally, Cretans are very joyful and cheerful characters (most of the times)
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Liturgy / Re: Why do all churches in EOy use the same rite?
« Last post by Iconodule on Today at 07:06:13 AM »
Be honest with us- the point of this thread is for you to produce a polemical stick (EO lack of liturgical variety) to whack us with.
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Other Topics / Re: Favorite beer...
« Last post by Ainnir on Today at 06:43:22 AM »
Looks like a great place to drink it, too.  :D
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Other Topics / Re: Video of the Day
« Last post by Dominika on Today at 06:23:56 AM »
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Liturgy / Re: Why do all churches in EOy use the same rite?
« Last post by Wandile on Today at 06:22:17 AM »
Nope. Nobody in some particular place and time "owns" a rite. The bishops of a given place and time have no right to pee on the memories of their forebears, not to mention their flock and future generations. As for "reform," no, the novus ordo was not a reform, anymore than the repainting of the Borja fresco was a touch-up.

Can we get back on topic? If you want to discuss this then start another thread on it. I’m more than happy to discuss this with you but this is not the topic of this thread.
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Other Topics / Re: Favorite beer...
« Last post by Dominika on Today at 06:21:49 AM »
Everything from "Browar Kormoran" (it's a local brand of Polish region Mazury), however this ("Świeże" - literally "Fresh") is my favourite:


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Liturgy / Re: Why do all churches in EOy use the same rite?
« Last post by Wandile on Today at 06:20:31 AM »
This isn’t even the topic of conversation. PLEASE can we get back on topic here and stop deflecting.
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Other Topics / Re: All Things Cats
« Last post by Dominika on Today at 06:20:24 AM »
For a few months my sister lives in a cottage by a lake and over 4 o5 yeras the same two kitties come to ehr, even sometimes sleep at home, are hugged etc. They're, i'd say, semi-wild. But each is so different, Rózia (the first one) is like-cat aristocracy, while the second one (Stefan) is daredevil.




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