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Orthodox Family Forum / Re: singles?
« Last post by MariaJLM on Today at 02:04:37 AM »
5. And I do not feel any voation to the monastery. Futhermore, my priest, that used to think that maybe being a nun is my path, now considers that's not an option for me; so only marriage. But frankly spekaing, it's hard to not loose hope regarding this.

What about just remaining single and celibate? Is that an option for you?

She should be neither.

That's up to her. It sounds like she wants to marry, but things are simply not working out. Perhaps there's a reason for that, idk.
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It is a good question i am always writing stuff and then eraze them because the way i see christianity now who had some contradiction. I will think more.
I think for you owning your faith is non christian because the faith should be take it from the church first.

See to me "owning the faith" means engaging in it of your own will. It means I am praying, and attending Liturgy, and receiving the Holy Mysteries of Confession and the Holy Eucharist, and reading my Bible, and serving others, and generally worshipping and glorifying God with my life and my being all because I want to, not because my parents want me to/are making me. It means that I make the  conscious and willing decision to strive to pour out my life and my being at the feet of Christ and strive to trust in Him for all things.

As well it should, but I don't think that's quite what NickMyra is referring to. I think what he's talking about is more the distorted attitude that feels the need to change the faith in order to make it more "me" or "my felt needs" or "the felt needs of the seeker." The impulse that leads to assuming that no one in this present darkness will follow Christ without a rock band in the worship service and a Starbucks in the narthex and five satellite campuses with trendy sermons that reference Finding Dory.*




*Completely seamless segue into being able to post another John B. Crist sketch. Am I am a c00l guy who winz an internet yet?
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i should you should go pray with the ethiopian. Why i feel a white supermacy in your post.

Well, tbf, James is at least half-Mexican. But I think it is fine to ask why he expects others to leave their Church homes for Russian ones before him taking the first initiative and joining an Ethiopian Church.

"I'm white, but if there was an Ethiopian Church near me I would seriously consider joining just because I love their liturgy and culture;" Volnutt said, in an act of totally not virtue signalling.
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Orthodox Family Forum / Re: singles?
« Last post by Mor Ephrem on Today at 01:18:22 AM »
5. And I do not feel any voation to the monastery. Futhermore, my priest, that used to think that maybe being a nun is my path, now considers that's not an option for me; so only marriage. But frankly spekaing, it's hard to not loose hope regarding this.

What about just remaining single and celibate? Is that an option for you?

She should be neither.
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Every member of the Oriental Orthodox Church is some sort of Black nationalist or white guy infatuated with Rasta culture who will insist until they are blue in the face that there are no theological differences between them and the Eastern Orthodox, yet they still feel the need to worship at their own parish with other dark skinned people rather than the local Russian one down the street.

They might be the same theologically (and I think they most likely are), but they are still different churches with different rites and different community ties within each individual congregation. You might as well chide the members of Greek or Antiochian Church X for the "hypocrisy" of not going to Russian Church Y down the street. You're being myopic.

This is especially evident when you see them waving Ethiopian flags and glorifying Haile Selassie while simultaneously criticizing the Eastern Orthodox and especially Russia for aligning itself so closely with the state. How can you criticize phyletism, nationalism, and putting one’s faith in princes and sons of man when your entire faith is predicated upon some sort of eschatological view of Ethiopia and Rasta culture?

Well, one salient difference is that the Russian state is insanely corrupt whereas the Ethiopian monarchy has been out of power since the 50s, but let's not get into whiteman Babylon's politricks.

Why do you think that most of them are motivated by eschatology or racism and not just the fact that they feel more comfortable in the community that they happen to have been born or converted into? Yes, it's tragic that Sunday is the most segregated day in America, but that's an issue that effects all of Christianity in this country and reflects the inertia of two+ centuries of cultural events that are far bigger than any one guy in a Bob Marley shirt.
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Christian News / Re: Dagestan church shooting leaves five dead in Kizlyar
« Last post by Saxon on Today at 12:57:21 AM »
Five new martyrs.

Memory Eternal!
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Lord have mercy :'(
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Spiritual things always manifest themselves in one form or another, just because protestants hide theirs doesn't make them good or correct.

If you will examine the orthodox iconography you will find out heavenly principles within

If you will examine the pegan religion's arts you will find out demonic principles within

You can't examine protestant arts obviously, but if they ever put their principles into art you will find the following: lawlessness, self-authority, individuality, rock-star guruism, self-promotion, scholasticsm, rebellion, chaos, disorder, disobedience, self-righteousness, the idea that you know better than the ones that came before you therefor you will reinvent the wheel, absence of God and theorizing about Him each according to his passions & darkened heart.

Umm, there's plenty of Protestant art in many different mediums.
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Among Presbyterians, it stems from sola scriptura, covenant theology and zwingli. the New testament didnt institute icons and liturgy, so those are man made traditions to be avoided. which is why there is only baptism and the lords supper, ...

2) I wonder whether this whole thread has the question back to front, or at least starts in the middle not at the beginning. I would rather ask the question, where all the accretions come from that now æsthetically adorn Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism. Not when did we lose them, but when did you gain them.

2) in a tent in some Middle Eastern desert, then Solomon.

I guess if we want to get uber technical, God on Mount Sinai...

Essentially this. The fact that the first Christians worshiped in the Jerusalem Temple and then in the synagogues until they were kicked out (I guess we could also talk about Eusebius's account of James and John dressing like Jewish priests, though it's not of guaranteed provenance) is highly significant to me. So is the fact that Gnosticism and Doceticism were there from the beginning as anti-matter (no pun intended) thought movements. It makes it seem more likely to me that the service of the first century was, if not recognizably Orthodox or Catholic, at least what we would call High Church and that the problematic accretions in history could just as easily have gone in the other direction

Not that I'm necessarily saying that the First Century Church had icons or something, but that such things wouldn't be completely at odds with their attitudes. I really don't think they were Baptists.

I feel like a mistaken reading of Hebrews 8:13 by many Protestants leads them to assume that the Church saw itself as radically reinventing the wheel instead of just adjusting and correcting things from their background Judaism in light of the truth of Christ (which reading, in a way, kind of flies in the face of the "it's not in the Bible" conservatism that a lot of Protestants apply to things like icons).

3) The person who posted the lovely photographs earlier in the thread has a good point; nonetheless, both my wife and I like visiting the simple chapels one often finds in Greece, often in remote places, and many of them we do not find religiously off-putting or offensive. Nonetheless, for me at least - and this may be nothing more than culture and personality - I find a simple and if possible old church (anything from 150 to 1500 years) more conducive to prayer, worship and spiritual meditation than an ornate one.

I'm not talking about ornateness, not essentially. I'm talking about sacrementalism and maximalism. A small chapel in Greece will still have an icon or two to be venerated, and if an Orthodox priest is there he can celebrate a version of the same Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom that you'd find in the grandest cathedral (even if his vestments have been reduced by poverty to tattered rags).
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Orthodox Family Forum / Re: singles?
« Last post by MariaJLM on Today at 12:36:02 AM »
5. And I do not feel any voation to the monastery. Futhermore, my priest, that used to think that maybe being a nun is my path, now considers that's not an option for me; so only marriage. But frankly spekaing, it's hard to not loose hope regarding this.

What about just remaining single and celibate? Is that an option for you?
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