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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Keep the Filioque
« Last post by Cavaradossi on Today at 12:06:57 PM »
Secondly, if the Filioque was at one time believed widely in the West, but later condemned by the Church as heretical, you should be able to show us the Ecumenical Council where this happened. But you will find no such Council, as documented above, the closest is where the Fifth Ecumenical Council condemned Thodoret's former anathemas against St. Cyril, specifically the ninth, for saying the Spirit has His existence from and through the Son with the Father. St. Cyril is perhaps among the clearest of the Greek Fathers to express this teaching, as he does in many passages "since He is the Word from God the Father, and from His own nature He causes Him to fountain upon us." as well as the complementarity of the two traditional formulations of East and West, "the Spirit is from God the Father and, for that matter, from the Son, being poured forth substantially from both, that is to say, from the Father through the Son." Please address, if you anathematize this statement, how you are not doing what Constantinople II said you shouldn't do?

St. Cyril, in response to this anathema, clarified that the Spirit proceeds from the Father, according to the words of Lord, but that the Spirit is not alien to the Son, for the Spirit glorifies Jesus, performing incomprehensible works, but he does so as Jesus' own Spirit and not as an an alien power or something greater. (You can see his response in PG 76 433). St. Cyril does not, to my knowledge, dispute Theodoret's assertion that the Holy Spirit does not have existence from or through the Son, but only clarifies his own Christological concerns. Theodoret was seemingly satisfied with this answer, as he later remarked that he found St. Cyril's answer to be orthodox.

Insofar as Theodoret's anti-Cyrillian writings were condemned in general for their opposition to Cyril and the Twelve Chapters (the council, in other words, did not conjure up specific counter-anathematisms to dispute doctrinal points in the letters), to say that the proposition that the Holy Spirit does not have existence from or through the Son was condemned would be a real stretch, since the proposition was neither denied by St. Cyril (indeed, he seems to affirm it, though only weakly), nor is it directly opposed to the teachings of the Twelve Chapters.
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Prayer Forum / Re: For my friend Emily
« Last post by IXOYE on Today at 12:06:24 PM »
Lord, have mercy!
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Christian News / Re: Orthodox Terrorism by Mykhailo Cherenkov
« Last post by podkarpatska on Today at 11:54:02 AM »
To be noted, for what it's worth:

Historic Russian admiral Fyodor Ushakov -- a hero of Russia's wars against Turkey and Napoleon Bonaparte -- was designated the patron saint of nuclear-armed, long-distance Russian bombers by the Orthodox Church on Monday.


". . . 'I am sure he will become your intermediary as you fulfil your responsible duties to the fatherland in the long-range air force,' the patriarch said."

I assume editorializing commentary is superfluous.

Another source. I'm making no claims about the veracity of either account, just thought this "old news" is something worth a think, if true. I've got no compelling reason to suppose it isn't. At any rate it was news to me. If anyone knows more reliable sourcing, I'd like to suggest posting it.

Pravmir defines itself as stated here and is generally regarded outside of Russia as a semi.official news source for the MP.  http://www.pravmir.com/about/
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Other Topics / Re: W.A.G.-word association game
« Last post by Mor Ephrem on Today at 11:14:48 AM »
bleeding Madras

What have you got against Tamil people?
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Religious Topics / Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Last post by ialmisry on Today at 10:48:03 AM »
Christos anesti!
So you deny that Rome was given first, Constantinople second (presently first), Alexandria third (presently second), Antioch fourth (presently third) and Jerusalem fifth (presently fourth) in the Ecclesiastical Order of Precedence?

You don't need Autocephaly.  You need Catechism.
I would say that you needed a dictionary, but since I've already given you the definition of "quote" from the dictionary, it seems your needs would lie in remedial reading.

Like I said, quote the canon you claim confirms your contentions-not repeat your pontifications. Then we'll deal with your misunderstanding of it.
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Faith Issues / Re: The Quinisext Council
« Last post by ialmisry on Today at 10:44:05 AM »
Old Rome played the same it did with the Second Ecumenical Council and canon 28 of the Fourth Ecumenical Council.
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Oriental Orthodox Discussion / Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Last post by dhinuus on Today at 10:34:45 AM »
President of India, Mr Pranab Mukharjee released a postage stamp, commemorating 200 years of the Orthodox Theological Seminary, Kottayam, Kerala, India.



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Reviews / Re: What TV shows are you watching?
« Last post by Arachne on Today at 10:32:14 AM »
Not to schadenfreude on anyone... but gorging on the four leaked GoT episodes actually feels great. :angel:
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Reviews / Re: What's everyone listening to?
« Last post by Arachne on Today at 10:29:13 AM »
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