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Reviews / Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Last post by biro on Today at 12:45:46 PM »
If it's going to be an extension of the Abrams schlock then it's probably better off not getting off the ground.

I enjoyed the Abrams movies.
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Regarding carols like "Hark the Herald Angels" (an 18th century Methodist hymn, BTW... not exactly traditional from an Orthodox POV) I imagine they are sung too, though I'm not sure if they would fit in the liturgy proper.

Technically it isn't a carol, but be that as it may, there would be entrance and recessional hymns, a hymn at the gospel, a hymn or anthem at the offertory, and hymns sung during communion, at least when following the Anglican-derived rite. The Roman version, for arch-trads, would have the same musical elements but would tend to substitute various medieval chants for congregational singing.
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Faith Issues / Re: Strange icons
« Last post by Mor Ephrem on Today at 12:41:54 PM »
^^ oh, it's not even strange, it's schlock. And so westernised...

If I were the kid in the middle holding the lamb, I'd want to give myself up for adoption.
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Lord, have mercy.
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It's not cultural appropriation so much as inferiority complex. The underlying, unspoken assumption is that Byzantinism is the default Orthodox cultural expression and superior to anything else. This is manifested most officially in the unnecessary insertion of the Byzantine epiclesis to the Roman canon.
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Presumably Western Rite churches should be following, as much as possible, whatever Latin-rite traditions are traditionally prescribed for a given feast. Importing Byzantine material undermines the whole idea of the Western rite. Of course Byzantinization is a real, pervasive problem in WRO from what I gather.

Regarding carols like "Hark the Herald Angels" (an 18th century Methodist hymn, BTW... not exactly traditional from an Orthodox POV) I imagine they are sung too, though I'm not sure if they would fit in the liturgy proper. Even Eastern rite churches in the US will sing some of these Western carols after the liturgy.

I don't see a problem with healthy "cultural appropriation" of a sort. Just as long as they retain their distinctives.

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Orthodox-Other Christian Discussion / Re: Kierkegaard
« Last post by xOrthodox4Christx on Today at 12:15:15 PM »
Didn't Kierkegaard commit suicide? Forgive me, I haven't read the whole thread... But this issue seems to be crucial for answering the question in the OP.

Nietzsche went mad, and Albert Camus' central philosophy was indeed focused on the topic of suicide. However, that's not Kierkegaard.
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Other Topics / Re: Mother Russia
« Last post by Iconodule on Today at 12:13:21 PM »

You've got it backwards.  Crazy Europeans will insist the Aryans were white-skinned Nordic types.  They describe themselves as being "the color of wheat". 

I saw this funny documentary Meet the Patels where a guy is going through the Indian arranged marriage process. Apparently "wheatish brown" is the most desired skin complexion.
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Presumably Western Rite churches should be following, as much as possible, whatever Latin-rite traditions are traditionally prescribed for a given feast. Importing Byzantine material undermines the whole idea of the Western rite. Of course Byzantinization is a real, pervasive problem in WRO from what I gather.

Regarding carols like "Hark the Herald Angels" (an 18th century Methodist hymn, BTW... not exactly traditional from an Orthodox POV) I imagine they are sung too, though I'm not sure if they would fit in the liturgy proper. Even Eastern rite churches in the US will sing some of these Western carols after the liturgy. 
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Other Topics / Re: Mother Russia
« Last post by Antonious Nikolas on Today at 12:02:23 PM »
Anyway, Germanics and Greeks occupying this area are surerly more important to my original point.

And there is no evidence that either population made a significant genetic impact upon the Berbers.  Greeks are traditionally dark anyway.  All that Nazi claptrap about the ancient Greeks being blondes and the modern Greeks being "Turkified and Arabized mongrels" is as much hogwash as the thesis of lily-white Aryans is.

I suspect they were absent on the days when they studied Herodotus and Xenophon at school, and missed the mentions of blonde Medes and Persians.

Blonde is a relative term.  People with brown hair are sometimes called blonde in countries where most of the people are dark.  I doubt many of the ancient Persians or Medes resembled Clay Matthews.

I agree that saying Greeks are Turkified is idiotic, Greeks are incredibly diverse, and the Turks are the ones that are actually a bit Hellenised, if something (original Turks were rather Eurasian).

True.

Alexis Tsipras is as Greek as some chubby-faced blond Greek

More so, even.  The Greeks were definitely, in the main, a thoroughly Mediterranean people.

and both types are evidently ancient in the region.

True, but I believe that Greeks with the appearance of Tsipras were the norm, and would not have been considered exceptionally dark.

Aristotle (or Pseudo-Aristotle, but still a learned ancient Greek man) said neither men too dark or too fair should be trusted, so I imagine the three types lived in Greece, and the middle one was majoritary?

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "middle".  A man like Tsipras?  Then I'd say yes.
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