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Religious Topics / Re: Being gay and Christianity.
« Last post by Musashi on Yesterday at 08:13:15 AM »
If we say that the change comes about through divine grace received through repentance and the Holy Mysteries, yes.  We repent because God provides us with the grace allowing us to recognize our sins and repent of it; 

The idea that anyone can attain such a state of perfection that they no longer require divine grace, was anathematized at the Council of Orange in the ancient period. 

It sounds to me like we are sinners, and we will remain sinners till we die.  Trying to create a hierarchy of sinners or sins seems rather pointless, in that context.

If we was all sinners, then we all must go to hell.
God say: Be ye holy; for I am holy.

This is what I would say
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My dad says it is the statement of his faith as well.
I read this verse recently

Psalm 18:31
For who is God, except the Lord?
And who is a rock, except our God?

Atleast this proves even if the pope is sincerly trying to please God and even if he has more wisdom than the others he is not infallible and we can't trust men alone for our salvation. For the next verse says

"It is God who arms me with strength,
And makes my way perfect"

Orthodox confession and apostolic succession go together, you cannot separate one from the other, that however doesn't mean some clergy cannot lose succession by becoming a heretics as history has shown.

If you try to separate apostolic succession from orthodox confession, you might end up with something like invisible Church or branch theory type of heresy. Protestants will love that, the lawless, self-authorized pastors like to claim the apostolic church to be in error and that they know better...

So in order for Christ's Sentence "And the gate of hell will not prevail against it (the Church)" to make sense, The Church must be build upon the orthodox confessing priesthood, which is visible and available throughout all ages, until the end of the world.

The said above doesn't mean however that Christ is not the Rock, The rock is Christ and consequently every Orthodox bishop. Let me demonstrate through the gospel:

This is what Christ told to the twelve:

The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.
- luke 10-16,

"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever receives the one I send receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.
- John 13:20

Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me.
- Mathew 10:40

Then the twelve, went out to preach the gospels to all nations, ordaining clergy and giving them this authority (the link is a demonstration of consecration of a bishop)


St Ignatius of Antioch, illuminated by the Holy Spirit, Explain to us this authority

My favorite quote from him -
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.
- St Ignatius of Antioch






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Religious Topics / Re: Being gay and Christianity.
« Last post by Indocern on Yesterday at 08:06:42 AM »
If we say that the change comes about through divine grace received through repentance and the Holy Mysteries, yes.  We repent because God provides us with the grace allowing us to recognize our sins and repent of it; 

The idea that anyone can attain such a state of perfection that they no longer require divine grace, was anathematized at the Council of Orange in the ancient period. 

It sounds to me like we are sinners, and we will remain sinners till we die.  Trying to create a hierarchy of sinners or sins seems rather pointless, in that context.

If we was all sinners, then we all must go to hell.
God say: Be ye holy; for I am holy.
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Liturgy / Re: Share your liturgical mishap stories here!
« Last post by Dominika on Yesterday at 07:53:31 AM »
Not mine, and actually it's more about what our rector (main priest at parish) said in the end of today's Liturgy, before kissing the cross - as usually, he was greeting us because of Sunday, but he added 2 things (the second is better):
1. "Today afater the lunch and rethinking about today's sermon [that's normal part of his weekly speech) you can go to park and enjoy today's hot weather - let be this Sunday so joyous as 28 degrees of todays' temperature. And let sit on the lawn in park - well, I've heard it's prohibited, but it's normal, in whole Europe people can sit on lawns"

2. "I'm glad so many mothers with their little treasures have come today. Please, o you mothers, put on shorter skirts, no to trip on the stairs to the church". :o

I have to add that he is an old priest, well-esteemed, but very direct and open in relations with people.

The wife of the priest don't allow in our Church for women or girls with short skirts or short pants to enter the Church. She prepared shawls and long skirts for them.
He's widower for 4 years. But, we have a few other priests at the parish, all of them are married.
Anyway, I think he meant a bit shorter, so not long to ankles, bur ratehr to knees, but it sounded quite... Surprising :laugh:
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Orthodox Family Forum / Re: Honor thy father and mother...
« Last post by Ainnir on Yesterday at 07:51:57 AM »
Ok, let's bring autonomy into this and clarify some, since I am not faced with end of life issues and won't be for decades.  To what extent do we cede our autonomy, and that of our children, to our parents in the name of honor?  Do they inherently have "more" autonomy than us by pure dint of their biological or adoptive ties to us?  If not, then what exactly is honor supposed to look like?  How is it different than common courtesy and respect we are to show everyone anyway?
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Liturgy / Re: Share your liturgical mishap stories here!
« Last post by Indocern on Yesterday at 07:41:14 AM »
Not mine, and actually it's more about what our rector (main priest at parish) said in the end of today's Liturgy, before kissing the cross - as usually, he was greeting us because of Sunday, but he added 2 things (the second is better):
1. "Today afater the lunch and rethinking about today's sermon [that's normal part of his weekly speech) you can go to park and enjoy today's hot weather - let be this Sunday so joyous as 28 degrees of todays' temperature. And let sit on the lawn in park - well, I've heard it's prohibited, but it's normal, in whole Europe people can sit on lawns"

2. "I'm glad so many mothers with their little treasures have come today. Please, o you mothers, put on shorter skirts, no to trip on the stairs to the church". :o

I have to add that he is an old priest, well-esteemed, but very direct and open in relations with people.

The wife of the priest don't allow in our Church for women or girls with short skirts or short pants to enter the Church. She prepared shawls and long skirts for them.
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Other Topics / Re: W.A.G.-word association game
« Last post by hecma925 on Yesterday at 07:38:17 AM »
tire
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Liturgy / Re: Share your liturgical mishap stories here!
« Last post by hecma925 on Yesterday at 07:36:56 AM »
Please, o you mothers, put on shorter skirts

Father said it.
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Religious Topics / Re: Being gay and Christianity.
« Last post by Daedelus1138 on Yesterday at 07:35:48 AM »
If we say that the change comes about through divine grace received through repentance and the Holy Mysteries, yes.  We repent because God provides us with the grace allowing us to recognize our sins and repent of it; 

The idea that anyone can attain such a state of perfection that they no longer require divine grace, was anathematized at the Council of Orange in the ancient period. 

It sounds to me like we are sinners, and we will remain sinners till we die.  Trying to create a hierarchy of sinners or sins seems rather pointless, in that context.
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Liturgy / Re: Share your liturgical mishap stories here!
« Last post by Dominika on Yesterday at 07:23:04 AM »
Not mine, and actually it's more about what our rector (main priest at parish) said in the end of today's Liturgy, before kissing the cross - as usually, he was greeting us because of Sunday, but he added 2 things (the second is better):
1. "Today afater the lunch and rethinking about today's sermon [that's normal part of his weekly speech) you can go to park and enjoy today's hot weather - let be this Sunday so joyous as 28 degrees of todays' temperature. And let sit on the lawn in park - well, I've heard it's prohibited, but it's normal, in whole Europe people can sit on lawns"

2. "I'm glad so many mothers with their little treasures have come today. Please, o you mothers, put on shorter skirts, no to trip on the stairs to the church". :o

I have to add that he is an old priest, well-esteemed, but very direct and open in relations with people.
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