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I would argue that Fr. Josiah did not discern properly in his speech when he was in Georgia, as that form of rhetoric could encourage more violence.  When Christ did it, he did it to their faces (and not to the weak, but to the strong in society, the ones who were planning to kill Him).  So discernment is very important indeed when it comes to Fr. Josiah's actions.
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I guess if you call hatemongering language 'provocation'.....

What about calling people 'snakes' and 'children of vipers'? What about talking about the 'synagogue of Satan'?

Toughen up.


Fairly sure its darn difficult to love ones neighbor as ones self while calling them such things......

Would it be fair to suggest, then, that you are fairly sure it is darn difficult for Jesus to love his neighbour?


No.. but we are not God, he is.   

I won't say it makes perfect sense, but its also not a carte blanche to call people such things...'I will just emulating Christ'

there are FAR more examples of him speaking more gently then there are him doing what he did in the temple to the vendors....

We are not God, but he became man and, "in the days of his flesh" (cf. Heb 5.7), said the things Cyrillic quoted as well as the whole "love your neighbour" bit.   

I agree that this does not constitute a carte blanche to pick one or the other option at will; the fact remains, however, that Jesus did and said certain things at certain times to certain audiences that we might find uncomfortable.  But he knew when to do that and when to do otherwise.  Men and women of discernment also know how to navigate this grey area.  On its own, I'm not sure we can condemn this sort of method.  The question then becomes whether it is appropriate in a given situation.



and I wouldn't disagree with that overall...but i would posit the notion that Jesus was not trying to convince the Moneychangers to follow him, give up their sin.

Which is precisely WHAT we need to be doing with the LGBT community, not merely calling them vipers and kicking them out to be even more angry at God.

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I guess if you call hatemongering language 'provocation'.....

What about calling people 'snakes' and 'children of vipers'? What about talking about the 'synagogue of Satan'?

Toughen up.


Fairly sure its darn difficult to love ones neighbor as ones self while calling them such things......

Would it be fair to suggest, then, that you are fairly sure it is darn difficult for Jesus to love his neighbour?


No.. but we are not God, he is.   

I won't say it makes perfect sense, but its also not a carte blanche to call people such things...'I will just emulating Christ'

there are FAR more examples of him speaking more gently then there are him doing what he did in the temple to the vendors....

We are not God, but he became man and, "in the days of his flesh" (cf. Heb 5.7), said the things Cyrillic quoted as well as the whole "love your neighbour" bit.   

I agree that this does not constitute a carte blanche to pick one or the other option at will; the fact remains, however, that Jesus did and said certain things at certain times to certain audiences that we might find uncomfortable.  But he knew when to do that and when to do otherwise.  Men and women of discernment also know how to navigate this grey area.  On its own, I'm not sure we can condemn this sort of method.  The question then becomes whether it is appropriate in a given situation. 
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I guess if you call hatemongering language 'provocation'.....

What about calling people 'snakes' and 'children of vipers'? What about talking about the 'synagogue of Satan'?

Toughen up.


Fairly sure its darn difficult to love ones neighbor as ones self while calling them such things......

Would it be fair to suggest, then, that you are fairly sure it is darn difficult for Jesus to love his neighbour?


No.. but we are not God, he is.   

I won't say it makes perfect sense, but its also not a carte blanche to call people such things...'I will just emulating Christ'

there are FAR more examples of him speaking more gently then there are him doing what he did in the temple to the vendors....
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Religious Topics / Re: Medical Marijuana?
« Last post by Rohzek on Today at 04:10:38 PM »
Recreational marijuana use is contrary to Christian conscience and is a sin.

lol wut?

Kill count due to intoxication:

Alcohol: 25 billion
Weed: 0
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What's even worse is Christianity being reduced to 'niceness' or the morality of suburban soccer moms.
I completely agree although that doesn't mean we sound like buffoons on stage bemoaning transgender bathrooms or mobile public sex apps. That's what Christianity is about? What happened to letting your light shine before others so they can see your good works which gives glory to your Father in heaven?

We should give our enemies dignity and kindness. This is part of a more excellent way to live as Christ has shown, if you want to live a more abundant life, one of joy, light, love, etc.

Has Fr. Josiah shown that? All I read here is more violence against gays. I don't see where he cares for the weak and powerless, which isn't that what homosexuals are in America? Christians aren't very kind to them eventhough God commanded otherwise.
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I guess if you call hatemongering language 'provocation'.....

What about calling people 'snakes' and 'children of vipers'? What about talking about the 'synagogue of Satan'?

Toughen up.


Fairly sure its darn difficult to love ones neighbor as ones self while calling them such things......

Would it be fair to suggest, then, that you are fairly sure it is darn difficult for Jesus to love his neighbour? 
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Don't insult the man, but criticize what he does.

That makes no sense. He's going to do what drama queens do cause that's what he is. augustin showed restraint by calling him that although he deserves a more severe rebuke.

Okay, so not only do you challenge my moderation publicly, but you also continue to do exactly what I said three times not to do.

50% penalty.

Anyone else want to challenge my mod directive, you only do it privately, not publicly.

Thank you.

Mina
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What's a good speech without a bit of provocation?

A good speech.

A bland one full of commonplaces, if you ask me. If you don't leave your audience startled you've done it wrong.

Then you should have asked 'What is a speech without provocation?'. A good speech is a good speech, provocation or not.

What's a good speech without rhetorical questions?
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Christian News / Re: Patriarch of Antioch John X in Poland
« Last post by Dominika on Today at 03:51:55 PM »
I don't know what a proper chanting should sound like, but from my vantage point, it sounded and looked good to me  :)
There are various ways of chanting epistle, it could have been better... But, anyway, thank you :)
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