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Other Topics / Re: W.A.G.-word association game
« Last post by Gamliel on Today at 02:09:53 PM »
to Joy
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"Should Christians Apologize to AntiChristian Perverts"--would it be at all possible to choose a less loving, more bigoted or more offensive subject header for this thread than Balthasar has? Hardly any wonder some of these people are AntiChristian when this is the attitude they're met with.

By your fruits you will know them (i.e. the person), not Christ.
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Other Topics / Re: W.A.G.-word association game
« Last post by William T on Today at 02:04:00 PM »
ode
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: On marrying a second wife
« Last post by Mor Ephrem on Today at 01:59:10 PM »
"In the first place you ought to know this, that by the good which you have chosen, second marriages are not condemned, but are set in lower (inferius) honor. For, even as the good of holy virginity which your daughter has chosen, does not condemn your one marriage; so neither does your widowhood condemn the second marriage of any. But the idea that second marriages are to be condemned especially swelled the heresies of the Cataphrygians [i.e., the Montanists] and of the Novatians. Tertullian also, inflated with cheeks full of sound, not of wisdom, and with teeth full of slander, attacked second marriages as unlawful (illicitas), which the Apostle with a sober mind allows to be lawful (licitas)."

St. Augustine, On the Good of Widowhood, CSEL 41, pp. 309-310

cheeks full of sound


teeth full of slander

The sickest of sick burns.
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Other Topics / Re: The Things that Cheer You Up
« Last post by minasoliman on Today at 01:46:42 PM »
giggling toddlers
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I am trying to find a very good argument against that position because something about it is absolutely wrong (innocent people being killed by an evil person), ...

They were not innocent, and neither are we.

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and yet I really do not have a good argument against sin = death.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die" (Holy Prophet Ezekiel). "The wages of sin is death" (St. Paul). Sin is indeed what has brought and continues to bring suffering and death into the world; however, we are all sinners.

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Also he said that if we sin, we estrange ourselves from God's protection...thereby ALLUDING that becuase the people who died were homosexuals (and in his opinion unrepentant), that God's protection was not upon them, since they had distanced themselves from God, through sin.

Now this I don't think is tenable. Everyone in the world -- indeed, "the whole creation" -- endures the world's state, which because of sin is one of suffering and death. The need for a Savior from this is universal. The desire of God to save is also toward all. If St. Stephen could behold Christ in the heavens and confidently ask Him to forgive those who had "gnashed on him with their teeth" in demonic rage and were stoning him to death, then plainly it is the constant desire of the Savior to save even the most abandoned. (For anyone wondering, yes, stoning a saint to death is worse than dancing at a gay night club.)
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What is "the truth of Christianity"? 

Indeed
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"Should Christians Apologize to AntiChristian Perverts"--would it be at all possible to choose a less loving, more bigoted or more offensive subject header for this thread than Balthasar has?

Yes, but not without getting warned for it. 

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Hardly any wonder some of these people are AntiChristian when this is the attitude they're met with.

+1
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Other Topics / Re: Picture of the Day
« Last post by minasoliman on Today at 01:32:02 PM »
or the ALS chalice challenge  :P
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From what has been posted so far, it would seem that those who insist on interpreting every word of the Nicene Creed as stating absolute historical fact feel that Christianity is a house of cards that will come tumbling down if the virgin birth is removed, and those who are willing to see it as a possible myth which teaches us something important are able to believe in the truth of Christianity nonetheless. Perhaps it is more fruitful to look into one's own heart and to examine other people's actions rather than trying to police their beliefs.


Hi, Finn :)

I remember we talked about the topic befoe and your response did help me at the time. However, I couldn't really see how that works. It is a very bad slippery slope to decide one part of the Creed is a "myth" and others are not. We've seen it before in many Protestant churches, where it all started with the same way of thinking and now, even God is a matter of debate.

To give you a clear example, the United church of Canada, is one of the largest Protestant denominations in the country, started doing what you said, and now they have an Atheist minister that they still don't know how to get rid of her. It happened in the Anglican Communion as well, with Spong that didn't just deny the Virgin Birth, but also wrote a book denying the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Please remember that I'm not "policing" any one's thoughts and beliefs. The discussion was between me and a dear friend after the Mass during the coffee hour, and even after what she said, we talked about other things and had a good time. However, I do have a right to ask why it seems that many people have a difficult time believing the Virgin Birth. I also have a right to debate those who advocate for rejecting Biblical Truth.
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