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Driven from the Lutherans and Episcopalians, and yourself (it goes without saying), yet not reaching Orthodoxy. A state of limbo. Lord, have mercy.
So you overlook those images the Gospel paints of Jesus as a stern judge who sought on many occasions to uphold the Law and commanded us to repent of sin?
QuoteWhich Orthodox Christians deny from the Father through the Son?Ialmisry stated above he did not believe it. Historically, there has always been a party in Constantinople that denied eternal procession of the Spirit and claimed the Fathers spoke only of temporal mission. This is admitted by Orthodox and other ecclesiastical historians.
You also didn't define precisely what you mean by cause. You have to use terms carefully when we are speaking of the inner life of the Godhead.
To say the Latins don't understand theology is far from the truth.
The Catholic Greeks who returned to or at least sincerely desired union with the Holy See understood this well and professed to believe what Rome had always believed and professed.
The dissident Greeks didn't and don't understand Catholic theology and have departed from the teaching of their own Fathers.
St. Thomas Aquinas had already expressed the complementarity of the formulations "from the Father through the Son" and "from the Father and the Son" explaining the Filioque is absolutely necessary to preserve distinction of Person and unity of Essence in the consubstantial Trinity.
The Holy Ghost could not be distinguished from the Son if both came forth from the Father without an eternal relationship between them, as St. Isidore had said long ago.
Therefore, there is an eternal relationship between the Son and the Spirit
and this consists in the fact that the Son receives as proper to His Person from the Father that the Spirit proceeds also from Him. If you deny that the Father and the Son communicate consubstantial divinity to the Spirit in the ineffable eternal act of procession or spiration, you deny the plain teaching of Scripture and Tradition above.
The Sermon on the Mount is a good place to start.
Is the Son eternally begotten of the Father and the Spirit? If not, why not?
No as the property to beget is of the Father alone. It is why he is called the Father.
If you believe in harnessing the greed of mankind, then why don't we harness the violence of mankind? the despondency of mankind? the blasphemy of mankind? Would you be in favor of a legal system that promotes any of these vices and elevates it to the basis for a society? If not, why not?
That aside, I'm surprised to see you making arguments against virtues in the Church based on "inevitable" sins in the world.
“Whatever the soul may think fit to do itself, whatever care and pains it may take, relying only upon its own power, and thinking to be able to effect a perfect success by itself, without the co-operation of the Spirit, it is greatly mistaken. It is of no use for the heavenly places; it is of no use for the kingdom – that soul, which supposes that it can achieve perfect purity of itself, and by itself alone, without the Spirit. Unless the man who is under the influence of the passions will come to God, denying the world, and will believe with patience and hope to receive a good thing foreign to his own nature, namely the power of the Holy Spirit, and unless the Lord shall drop upon the soul from on high the life of the Godhead, such a man will never experience true life, will never recover from the drunkenness of materialism; the enlightenment of the Spirit will never shine in that benighted soul, or kindle in it a holy daytime; it will never awake out of that deepest sleep of ignorance, and so come to know God of a truth through God’s power and the efficacy of grace.”
St. Macarius the Great, Spiritual Homilies, Homily 24