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Religious Topics / Re: Women’s Headcoverings
« Last post by Volnutt on Today at 07:55:04 PM »
My take on it is that St Gregory, St Paul and other Fathers believed two things:

1) Man is superior to woman in this fallen world
2) Woman are equal to men in Christ

So women's equality to men lies more in the realm of the potential than the actual. When the woman achieves salvation through Christ, she becomes man's equal. But this salvation must be worked out in this world, respecting the burdens of our fallen existence. Part of this is accepting natural hierarchies and inequalities: the man over the woman; the king over his subjects; the master over his slaves; the parents over their children.

This is the only way I make sense of the contradictions. Others may have better solutions.

I essentially agree I think. Though I wouldn't call that superiority, but more the practical fact that because of the fallen selfishness of both women and men, there's got to be somebody to "break the tie" in disputes, as it were. St. Gregory tells Olympiatha to

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Let both of you provide your views and opinions; in the end, however, allow your husband to have the final say.

I suppose things could have been just as easily the other way around with Adam taken from Eve's rib and women being the heads of the household and the Church (with exponentially increasing numbers of possible configurations if God had created more than two sexes).
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Religious Topics / Re: Mor Ephrem wants to know...
« Last post by Volnutt on Today at 07:42:06 PM »
For all that responded thus far, I'm curious: did the things you mention draw you towards the conclusion that 'God is here,' or did they place a peripheral role, or not at all? For example, if all the things you mention were absent, would you still be Orthodox? Is it the things that make you believe God is there, or are they mostly confirmations or beautiful/helpful add-ons to something you already have/believe/do?

The Fathers (especially St. Ignatius due to his clear arguments and early date) convinced me that God's Church is a sacerdotal and episcopal church. The reason I'm not going to go Catholic or Anglican (besides the Lutherans outside Scandinavia not having bishops) is because I think the Orthodox Church has the best arguments for having preserved as pure a faith as possible.

Everything else that makes me personally like Orthodox spirituality and praxis more than others is just icing on the cake but not essential for me.

If that's not what you're looking for then I'm not sure how else to answer your question, sorry.
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Liturgy / Question about separation of Glory... Both now...
« Last post by MalpanaGiwargis on Today at 07:33:40 PM »
In a series of troparia/kontakia, what determines when Glory... and Both now... are combined and when they are sung separately? I imagine they are combined when the final two troparia/kontakia in a series are of different tones, but are there any additional rules?
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Prayer Forum / Re: My father passed away this evening
« Last post by Shlomlokh on Today at 07:30:15 PM »
Lord, have mercy!
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Religious Topics / Re: Women’s Headcoverings
« Last post by Jonathan Gress on Today at 07:29:04 PM »
My take on it is that St Gregory, St Paul and other Fathers believed two things:

1) Man is superior to woman in this fallen world
2) Woman are equal to men in Christ

So women's equality to men lies more in the realm of the potential than the actual. When the woman achieves salvation through Christ, she becomes man's equal. But this salvation must be worked out in this world, respecting the burdens of our fallen existence. Part of this is accepting natural hierarchies and inequalities: the man over the woman; the king over his subjects; the master over his slaves; the parents over their children.

This is the only way I make sense of the contradictions. Others may have better solutions.
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Prayer Forum / Re: My father passed away this evening
« Last post by Maximum Bob on Today at 07:20:13 PM »
Thank you all for your prayers.  We gathered again today and will again tomorrow to make the funerary arrangements.
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Reviews / Re: What movies are you watching?
« Last post by Opus118 on Today at 07:19:51 PM »
I saw Cinderella at the theater yesterday. It was the best version I have seen. I recommend it. I remember being impressed with Ella Cinders starring Coleen Moore (I like her), but it was so long ago that I cannot do a comparison (due to memory along with the fact that it was a silent movie). Last night I also watched Oz the Great and Powerful on DVD which I also thought was OK, but Cinderella is definitely better.
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Prayer Forum / Re: for wisdom
« Last post by Maximum Bob on Today at 07:18:03 PM »
Lord, have mercy on and grant patience to your handmaiden Eruvande. Help her to prepare for the long haul and not the quick fix. Strengthen her and deepen her faith in you.
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Religious Topics / Re: Mor Ephrem wants to know...
« Last post by Justin Kissel on Today at 07:15:24 PM »
For all that responded thus far, I'm curious: did the things you mention draw you towards the conclusion that 'God is here,' or did they place a peripheral role, or not at all? For example, if all the things you mention were absent, would you still be Orthodox? Is it the things that make you believe God is there, or are they mostly confirmations or beautiful/helpful add-ons to something you already have/believe/do?
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Convert Issues / Re: Jewish to Orthodox
« Last post by rakovsky on Today at 07:10:20 PM »
Hello all this my first forum post! :)

To sum things up, I am converting to Orthodoxy (been going to an OCA parish for 2+ months) from Judaism. I told my parents several weeks ago, and my mother has taken alright (albeit, a bit weird-ed out) while my dad is not happy whatsoever (though at he said he wouldn't stop me as long as I don't rush things). I was wondering if there is anyone else here from a Jewish background? If so, do you have any stories/advice to help me?

xKatz,

There are at least a few Orthodox here who came from religious Judaism and talked a lot about their very interesting experiences. One of them was
Xenia, whose Profile is:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5731

Another poster is Lovesupreme
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6796

There is a poster named Jewish Voice, but I am not sure if they are still Jewish.
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6032



You could send them a Hello by "pm".

I would also highly recommend Fr. Bernstein's SURPRISED BY CHRIST, which was very interesting, about his journey from Judaism to Orthodoxy.
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