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Other Topics / Re: Life is absurd
« Last post by Indocern on Today at 02:33:26 AM »
But beebert I generally don't want children because I want to live alone with my wife.
There is nothing wrong with wanting Children my friend :)

Well, if you want Ok, I just don't want, dear friend ;)
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I feel like this easily could have been interpolated. It's suspicious.
Why? It's so (relatively) trivial.  :P
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It's a great idea if you want to excommunicate yourself.

There hasn't been any dialogue to re-establish communion?
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Religious Topics / Re: No Racial Dstinctions In Orthodoxy?
« Last post by TheLoveOfTheTruth on Today at 01:45:18 AM »
"Racism" [in the negative sense] is actually a term originating with the Marxists for their propaganda.

Yes, I would say all Paul could have meant by that is that in Christ the Covenant of Salvation is for all, if he wanted to be logically consistent. As opposed to the Old Covenant which was with a particular nation and ethnicity that one had to fully immigrate to in order to be a part of that covenant.
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Religious Topics / Re: No Racial Dstinctions In Orthodoxy?
« Last post by Asteriktos on Today at 01:35:16 AM »
If racism ends in Christ, then it logically follows that genderism does too, so that transgender and women clergy should be fine, since gender is mentioned by Paul as well. That is the logical conclusion.

Gender is based in physiological characteristics that people have, and is not a bad thing. Racism (as opposed to skin color) is a negative attitude towards other humans, and is condemned by the Orthodox Church.
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The enigmatic expression πηλίκοις … γράμμασιν in Galatians 6:11 has puzzled commentators for some time. What would the God-inspired Paul have meant by stressing the size of his characters?

Is your contention that γράμμα can mean only "a character of writing"? Otherwise, what prevents the traditional understanding (at least in English-speaking Christendom) of "how large a letter," i.e., how long a missive St. Paul had put to paper himself, rather than by amanuensis?
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Religious Topics / Re: No Racial Dstinctions In Orthodoxy?
« Last post by xOrthodox4Christx on Today at 01:24:34 AM »
Galatians 3:28 is only talking about the unity of believers in Christ, it's not a message of pre-modern equality. Blah blah blah ethnic churches blah.
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Religious Topics / No Racial Dstinctions In Orthodoxy?
« Last post by TheLoveOfTheTruth on Today at 01:18:42 AM »
In conclusion, no Christian (whether born according to nature "Jew" or "Gentile" - though in Christ, such distinctions do not exist)
is obliged to the Law of Moses. Reading it has a didatic value since it points to Christ, and some aspects of it are common with the Law of Christ, but no one is now obliged to it's various sacrifices, ordinances (circumcision, sabbaths, etc.), priesthood, etc.

You are giving this guy more ammo to further make his valid points: https://southernisraelite.wordpress.com/

I assume you are referencing Paul's statement in Galatians. But if he means what you seem to, then he is a mad man who wildly contradicts himself elsewhere where he does indeed make such distinctions, gender distinctions, racial distinctions, and slavery distinctions.

If racism ends in Christ, then it logically follows that genderism does too, so that transgender and women clergy should be fine, since gender is mentioned by Paul as well. That is the logical conclusion.

But the Orthodox Church does not do this. You have nationalist/ethnic churches and women have an inferior role in both the family and church as regards their place of authority.
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Men stand before the Christ, women the Theotokos. It's an iconic tradition that's not special to Slavs. The U.S. is just a bit messed up, and not only in this way. Greeks in the U.S. just weren't pious until rather recently -- they came to North America in large numbers starting in the '20s but barely even bothered to have churches until decades later. Most came with a secular, material outlook and the apostasy continues in some degree, in my opinion.
Ha! ITS not as simple as straightfirward as that trust me.  The older tradition at least among the Eastern European Byzantines was women at the back separated from the men in the front by a low fence/wall.  But since going go liturgy is also, by tradition mostly a women's business,   there were some women spilling over the fence. . But their place was at the back, architecturally delineated

It's the same among most, if not all, of the priestless Chapelist Old Believers in the Americas. No fence but men stand in front and women in the back. When my maternal grandfather was appointed the rector of his village church, he attempted to change it to women on one side and men on the other, believing it to be an older tradition. The idea didn't go over very well and they ousted him instead.

Your grandfather was right.  It is the oldest tradition we know.
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Oriental Orthodox Discussion / Re: Purgatory
« Last post by minasoliman on Today at 12:53:09 AM »
I'm not sure if modernize is the correct terminology.  I think his intentions mainly was to strengthen our use of the Bible within an Orthodox construct.  His intentions were good, and he instilled a love of the Bible to those in the Church, but as more and more Patristics are out to light in the next generation of Coptic clergy and laity, we find out there are other ways of interpreting the same passages within our Oriental Orthodox tradition that could contradict Pope Shenouda's interpretation, and this realization slowly is taking hold, but of course not without difficulty.

Ecumenism can also be a factor, but generally speaking we are still in the beginnings of a Coptic Patristic Renaissance that will guide the way we use the Scriptures, which we can remember reverently at least Pope Shenouda's legacy in primarily equipping us with a love for the Scriptures and the means to which he encourages us to always seek the Fathers.  We also recognize he is not perfect, and was a product of his time, making even theological mistakes.
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