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Orthodox-Protestant Discussion / Re: G eographical location of Orthodox churches
« Last post by biro on Yesterday at 11:37:39 PM »
Don't bother him, he's too busy complaining to stop complaining.
Faith Issues / Re: Is belief in Satan/The devil a mandatorial thing?
« Last post by Jonathan Gress on Yesterday at 11:22:45 PM »
I wouldn't say monks "indulge" in hesychasm...
Other Topics / Re: How are things going for you?
« Last post by biro on Yesterday at 11:17:39 PM »
A little better. Mom and I went to see "The Avengers" tonight. We both liked it.
Other Topics / Re: How are things going for you?
« Last post by Justin Kissel on Yesterday at 11:16:30 PM »
The pace at which I've been coming to terms with my faults/limitations has steadily increased this year, leaving me somewhat better off.
Faith Issues / Re: Is belief in Satan/The devil a mandatorial thing?
« Last post by biro on Yesterday at 11:14:43 PM »
Luke 10:18 And he said to them: I saw Satan like lightning falling from heaven.

It wouldn't seem to possible to experience Orthodox hesychasm if you ignore the words of Christ.
Faith Issues / Re: Is belief in Satan/The devil a mandatorial thing?
« Last post by recent convert on Yesterday at 11:07:31 PM »
I do not know how we cannot believe that Satan is for real since he deceived Adam & Eve causing our fallen state. Satan tried to tempt the Lord, he will not exempt any of us. On a practical side much of what the monks describe about demons deceiving a monk into egotism, conceit, delusion etc. seem compatible to secular, psychological explanation. For ex.

"When the intellect attains prayer that is pure and free from passion, the demons attack no longer with sinister thoughts but with thoughts of what is good. For they suggest to it an illusion of God's glory in a form pleasing to the senses, so as to make it think that it has realized the final aim of prayer. A man who possesses spiritual knowledge has said that this illusion results from the passion of self esteem and from the demon's touch on a certain area of the brain."

Evagrios the Solitary (4th c.) quoted from: On Prayer, #73 (Philokalia vol. I)

Still, while a person should beware of superstition, it seems negligent to not be aware of evil forces (Ephesians 6:12).
Reviews / Re: What is everyone reading?
« Last post by Justin Kissel on Yesterday at 11:07:19 PM »
The Broken Icon: Intuitive Existentialism In Classical Russian Fiction, by Geoffrey Clive
Oriental Orthodox Discussion / Re: Why are major Coptic liturgies so darn long?
« Last post by biro on Yesterday at 11:05:34 PM »
Every so often I run across a video on YouTube of a major Coptic liturgy, typically in St. Mark's in Alexandria. And every video I've ever seen was at least three hours in length. I haven't experienced many liturgies in the Eastern Orthodox Church, but three hours is the longest I've ever experienced, and a lot of these Coptic ones run to more like four or five for just an ordination. What are you people doing in all that time?  :)

Don't worry, Neighborino.  After the Lands of Immigration Conference kicks in, you'll be able to find Low Church Coptic Yankee Doody-E-Oodle Orthodox parishes with 1 hr. 45 min. liturgies tops, and that's including the validating self-help sermon from Abouna Tony Robbins, the worship team's performance during that thing with the bread and know, um...communion, and the 15 minutes we're supposed to put our heads down and think about Jesus!  The best part is, after the service we all get to jam out with our you-know-what's out (guitars) at the Inspiration Station where ice cold Jamba Juice, frappalicious Frappucinno, and a just splash of weekly inspiration are served up by our own worship leaders/baristas just the way you like it.  Be there or be square, dude!  All you have to lose is your chains!

I think he was just asking.
What would one say about Coptic Good Friday, which takes about 10 hours then?

Ten to twelve hours in one day, whether it is one big unit or spread out over the course of the day, is my limit.  After that, just leave me alone.  :P
Reviews / Re: Are there Orthodox bands?
« Last post by Minnesotan on Yesterday at 10:49:24 PM »
I'm not Orthodox yet, although would like to be once I can (life circumstances, family concerns, social anxiety and transportation issues are what is primarily standing in my way right now).

I do like to write and record my own songs. Some of the lyrics that I'm working on at the moment do have religious themes (for example, I'm working on a Christmas composition based on this, and another piece about Prester John). Others are autobiographical or deal with social issues, current events, action-adventure or sci-fi themes. Most of my songs are fairly avant-garde, eclectic and long (like this), but not, I hope, to the extent that ordinary people would be unable to appreciate them. I don't want to come across as some kind of snob, but I don't want to just pander by writing formulaic pop songs either. There has to be some kind of balance.

I don't want to be seen as a "Christian artist" or an "Orthodox artist", though. There are a lot critiques of that whole concept that have been made lately, that I agree with. I just want to be an artist, who does what artists are supposed to do.

I'm finding that my inquiry into Orthodoxy has changed my writing style too. I'm finding myself becoming more deliberate and methodical, and not just rashly rushing in to write and record something. I pay more attention to detail and quality now. And I'm focusing more on dynamic range and subtlety, and including more classical influences.

I have no particular desire to perform live and I don't think I'd adapt well to that lifestyle, nor am I doing it for the money. I do it more as a hobby, and as a therapeutic endeavor (it helps me get my bottled-up feelings out). Fortunately, modern technology makes it possible to produce recordings from outside the conventional structure of the music industry.

If anything, what I'd like to be is the first musician to be known for primarily doing charity work. I'd like to use song downloads to raise money for charities.
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