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 41 
 on: Today at 01:34:49 PM 
Started by MarianCatholic - Last post by MarianCatholic

Ok, I have decided to attend the Divine liturgy at Sunday.
I look forward to it, but have to admit that am a bit anxious about the whole thing too as I haven't been to an Orthodox Church ever before...

Is there anything I need to keep in mind upon attending?
And how do I approach the priest afterwards?
 
Does he walk into the sanctuary after the liturgy and all I have to do is to walk up to him or is it like I have to walk to his office?

I'm a bit introverted so this isn't easy for me to be honest...
Feedback is highly appreciated:)

Thanks.


 42 
 on: Today at 01:32:02 PM 
Started by xariskai - Last post by Jonathan Gress

Consider this: shouting offensive slogans at someone's funeral ought to be considered "intentional infliction of emotional distress", a tort under civil law and not protected by the First Amendment. It's not obvious to me that the WB's behavior at those funerals should have been allowed or that they should have been protected from a lawsuit.

WRONG!

Read Jerry Falwell v. Hustler Magazine, Larry Flynt, et al. In that case, Hustler magazine - that fine paragon of journalistic integrity - ran an "advertisement" alleging the Rev. Jerry Falwell once got dead drunk, then had sex with a goat and his own mother in an outhouse. Falwell sued Hustler for "Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress" and won a sizable money judgment. The Supreme Court reversed the trial court, and ruled that the First Amendment clearly protects such appalling and disgusting "journalism." The tort of Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress could not be used to skirt around the Court's jurisprudence that held that traditional torts of libel and slander are now frequently protected speech under the First Amendment.

By the way, Larry Flynt in all of his various wins before the Supreme Court on First Amendment cases, also set the record for convictions for contempt. He hated judges and judges hated him, but they both agreed that the First Amendment must be inviolate.

I thought the point of that was that public figures cannot sue for libel or slander. The parents of the fallen marine could hardly be called public figures.

 43 
 on: Today at 01:27:22 PM 
Started by EkhristosAnesti - Last post by minasoliman
The Church does not serve society, but serves faith, serving Christ in the person of thsoe naked, hmliated, and homeless.

Fr. Matta al Maskeen, 1963 (+2006)

 44 
 on: Today at 01:25:44 PM 
Started by Ilwain - Last post by Mor Ephrem
Quote
And we know that Christ Himself is called the first fruits in I Cor. 15:20 - "But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep." And for the Orthodox the Paschal celebration centers upon that resurrection of our Lord, moreso than upon His death.

No, it doesn't.
Can you elaborate on this, Mor?  I always thought Holy Week was the time that we contemplated the suffering and death of Christ and then Pascha was when we celebrated the Resurrection.

The problem is that we--as individuals and communities--tend to think of these events as specific points on a time line, and so we celebrate them in that way.  But the liturgical texts and rites presume that, even while focusing on a particular "moment", we have the whole in mind.  So it's not surprising to see "Lenten/Holy Week" texts which celebrate the Resurrection, and "Paschal" texts which speak of the Passion and the Cross.  Not only is it not surprising, but it is necessary.  When we separate these too much, we misunderstand each as well as the whole.  The common stereotype, for example, is that Roman Catholicism is more focused on the Passion and Orthodoxy on the Resurrection, and this may be true on a popular level, but in terms of the liturgy, it's true for neither.  We need to recover that balance wherever it has been lost.   

 45 
 on: Today at 01:25:30 PM 
Started by xariskai - Last post by LarryP2

Consider this: shouting offensive slogans at someone's funeral ought to be considered "intentional infliction of emotional distress", a tort under civil law and not protected by the First Amendment. It's not obvious to me that the WB's behavior at those funerals should have been allowed or that they should have been protected from a lawsuit.

WRONG!

Read Jerry Falwell v. Hustler Magazine, Larry Flynt, et al. In that case, Hustler magazine - that fine paragon of journalistic integrity - ran an "advertisement" alleging the Rev. Jerry Falwell once got dead drunk, then had sex with a goat and his own mother in an outhouse. Falwell sued Hustler for "Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress" and won a sizable money judgment. The Supreme Court reversed the trial court, and ruled that the First Amendment clearly protects such appalling and disgusting "journalism." The tort of Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress could not be used to skirt around the Court's jurisprudence that held that traditional torts of libel and slander are now frequently protected speech under the First Amendment.

By the way, Larry Flynt in all of his various wins before the Supreme Court on First Amendment cases, also set the record for convictions for contempt. He hated judges and judges hated him, but they both agreed that the First Amendment must be inviolate.

"Extreme homophobes like the Westboro Baptists" are NOT "tolerated precisely in order to give traditional morality a bad name." They are "tolerated precisely" because the First Amendment could not be any clearer. They are "tolerated" because their rotten behavior is absolutely, unequivocally LEGAL.

 46 
 on: Today at 01:18:17 PM 
Started by xariskai - Last post by LarryP2
^ Thank you Larry. Unfortunately, people today want to believe opinion, no matter how absurd or wrong it might be, rather than facts in modern America when the facts don't fit into their narrative. Facts are messy things that get in the way of what we want to believe.  It seems as if most people today live in parallel universities, getting news and information not from objective journalists, but from any two bit jerk with an opinion, a blog  and the internet who shares the same opinions.

I've found a few simple rules of thumb usually apply. If the "news source" is only trumpeted by one "side" and not even perphererally addressed by main stream sources, there is probably less going on than you want to believe. Or if adversarial parties "report" on the same events in wildly divergent terms (like Russian or Ukrainian ones ), neither is likely to be completely accurate.

Common sense and prudence should apply before one reacts like Chicken Little. Or as Presiident Reagan liked to say, "Trust, but verify."

Thanks again .



I guess I just cannot compute how an Orthodox Christian can be carried away with those waves of nonsensical screaming headlines. In my mind, Orthodoxy is an absolutely-bulletproof rock of serenity in our present chaotic world of ambiguity and subjectivity. I cannot fear or panic: that is contrary to Orthodoxy at its very roots.

Orthodoxy easily overcame my most cynical skepticism. Hey, I was TEC for 15 years and was the darling attorney for the Serrano, Sinaloa and Beltrán-Leyva Cartels. Cynicism and skepticism ran through my veins, pre-Orthodoxy.  I am not arguing that Orthodoxy resembles the shallow and vapid, air-headed "prosperity Gospel of" Victoria Osteen. Orthodoxy by contrast runs 10 miles deep but three inches wide. 50 million Orthodox Christians were hideously murdered (and tortured sometimes) by the combination of the Ottoman Empire and the old Soviet Union from about 1800 until 1991. And yet I bet for the majority of them, their last words were "Hey, no biggee. Tomorrow's gonna be a better day."

So whenever you hear that the long dark night of fascism is about to set on America, just remember one thing: It always.....ALWAYS ......sets on Europe or the Middle East instead.

 47 
 on: Today at 01:14:00 PM 
Started by Maximum Bob - Last post by Maximum Bob
Thank you Carl,  I appreciate that very much.

 48 
 on: Today at 01:13:19 PM 
Started by walter1234 - Last post by xariskai
It's generally considered bad form for you to do that
Please pray to my saint for my miserable soul.

http://marcostambloggo.wordpress.com/2013/12/30/st-basils-cathedral/
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Basil_the_Blessed


 49 
 on: Today at 01:11:40 PM 
Started by xariskai - Last post by Jonathan Gress
Churches may be exempt, but it does seem that many Christians will have to become "Sunday-only" when it comes to practicing their beliefs. E.g. florists or bakers who now have to provide flower arrangements or cakes for gay weddings. While it is still technically legal to oppose homosexuality, anything you say or do that can be construed as "homophobic" can cause you to lose your job or get sued, so the state and society is definitely imposing heavy crosses on those who uphold traditional Christian views of sexual morality.

No "mays" about it: Churches ARE exempt. Please read my previous post.

You MUST read the decisions regarding the "Christian" "florists and bakers" who were brought before state tribunals when they refused to provide services to same sex wedding couples. There is NOTHING about those cases that are as clear-cut as you might think. Let's get a couple of things out the way very quickly:

a). NONE of them faced jail or arrest as is often alleged. Those were all civil cases where arrest and jail are simply non-available.

b). The Court cases themselves painstakingly spelled out what the bakers and florists could do to exclude themselves from the law's coverage, and continue their careers as cake bakers and wedding photographers. And even where the bakers and florists and photographers were too bull-headed to follow that advice, they were "punished" by being forced to go through mediation to arrive at a consent decree. Absolutely NONE of the alarmist headlines are anywhere near remotely the truth of what is actually happening. In my opinion, much of the confusion is the result of sheer, bullheaded-inept legal ignorance on the part of the affected cake bakers and wedding photographers.

Listen, I am the legal adviser for my Parish Council and leader of the Parish Evangelism Team (and grizzled veteran of five capital murder, 400 major felony, and 30 federal civil rights trials, and six civil rights appeals to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals). And notwithstanding my lowly status of being newly-illumined only as of August 31. So it is my job to protect my church from these laws. And it couldn't be easier or more simple. The reality is far, far different than the panicked, screaming headlines would suggest.

And it is not merely "technically legal to oppose homosexuality." The law could not be any clearer on that as well. "Homophobia?" You ought to read RAV v. St. Paul. Not only is the rankest, most horrifyingly-offensive, and terrifying expressions of rawest, most hateful bigotry explicitly protected by the First Amendment, but is actually encouraged! As Justice Scalia so aptly put it, the law cannot prohibit raw, hateful bigotry; but allow vehement and intemperate expressions of tolerance on the same subject. "One side is not licensed to fight freestyle, while requiring the other to follow the Marquis of Queensberry Rules."

In the United States of America, it is fully-legal to attend the funeral of a gay, black veteran killed in combat; burn yourself an American flag to introduce yourself; then scream anti-homosexual, racially bigoted threats and taunts before the grand finale of condemning the deceased veteran to hell ...... in front of the grieving family.

I didn't say homophobia was illegal or incurred criminal penalties; in fact, I said precisely the opposite, so I don't get why you're being so vehement about that. I'm saying that many Christians are effectively prohibited from following their consciences by the threat of discrimination lawsuits and/or punishment by their employers. You must know the case of Brendan Eich, for example. So yes, it could be worse and homophobia could be outright banned, but the situation we have could also be better.

I have a feeling the extreme homophobes like the Westboro Baptists are tolerated precisely in order to give traditional morality a bad name, i.e. if you politely decline to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, you must be some hateful monster like Fred Phelps. Consider this: shouting offensive slogans at someone's funeral ought to be considered "intentional infliction of emotional distress", a tort under civil law and not protected by the First Amendment. It's not obvious to me that the WB's behavior at those funerals should have been allowed or that they should have been protected from a lawsuit.

 50 
 on: Today at 01:09:44 PM 
Started by walter1234 - Last post by xariskai
God has shown Benny that He has promised seven supernatural blessings to everyone who will observe all the Jewish feasts.

Quote from: Benny Hinn
"As part of the Exodus from Egypt (recorded in Exodus 12), God instituted seven specific feasts. The seven feasts of Israel were divided into three seasons: Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. Each feast continues to hold a wealth of information. The Day of Atonement, part of the season of Tabernacles, and the other six feasts have not been observed generally throughout Christianity. Best-selling author Steve Munsey says, “That must change! The time for change is now. There is too much at stake. I believe God has shown me that He has promised seven supernatural blessings to those who observe His feasts, including the Day of Atonement.” Get ready to move into the seven blessings of this sacred season!" https://www.facebook.com/BennyHinnMinistries

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