« Last post by Rohzek on Yesterday at 11:52:22 PM »
The real see should be in Athens, but with the titular title of Constantinople (like that's the case of Antioch: titulary it's Antioch, but in fact Damascus) but ofc with parishes in Constantinople/Stambul (the same like it's with Antioch - Antakya).
The Greeks have already been through all this. The Patriarchate was actually in Athens for a short time, as I recall, and then there was a plan that was actually signed by bishops and governments to relocate the Patriarchate to Mt. Athos. For that matter, there are a great many places around the world where the Patriarchate would be warmly welcomed. The solution that ultimately emerged was what we have now, and many reasons were given by all involved parties that were satisfactory at the time -- so I am not sure how the internet is suddenly conceding complete defeat of the Church by the Turks on behalf of all these holy hierarchs, dead and living.
I don't know the story, but... It wouldn't be "conceding complete defeat of the Church by the Turks", as:
1. The name still would be Constantinople (not Istambul, Athens, Karea or anything like this)
2. there would be Orthodox parishes in Constantinople and in other areas of Turkey
3. The patriarch would be (at least from time to time) the visitor to Constantinople, probably there would be a patriarchal vicar bishop in the city.
Is Turkey even demanding this? Any of this? Why are OC.netters assigning some kind of triumph (complete or almost-complete) to the Turks over an Ancient See anyway? What on earth is going on in this thread? Posts range from fantasy to malice. I suppose this is the debased condition of human minds with nothing to do.
Yes, Christianity in Turkey is alive and well just like in the Byzantine days when you were a child. Guide O wise master. A country that closes seminaries and has only 2000 Orthodox Christians and is openly becoming less and less secular (hence more Islamic) is exactly where we should headquarter the most important leader in Orthodoxy.
Honestly Porter, for the last week you have done nothing more than blow everything that anyone says out of proportion and accused people rather falsely of impiety and heresy. Not to mention that you have been gruff with at least one newcomer. Might I make a suggestion that you take a breather.