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Religious Topics / Re: Schlock Icons
« Last post by LBK on Today at 12:39:27 PM »

To which one might add icons of Saint Mary of Egypt as an emaciated crone, John the Forerunner carrying his head on a plate, and basically anyone with grey hair.

To criticize iconographers for reproducing these features out of "ignorance" of a rule invented by a 21st century internet expert is silly.

Showing signs of age and the effects of ascetic life is perfectly permissible. The degree of wizening in a face follows the same principle I mentioned earlier: enough to express the saint’s ageing or asceticism, without being ugly or grotesque.

Gray or white hair is not a deformity. Far from it - it is seen as a sign of wisdom and honor, in ancient cultures, up until recently in western cultures, and in scripture, such as in Proverbs 16:

The silver-haired head is a crown of glory,
If it is found in the way of righteousness.


One of the most recognizable of saints in iconography is the white-haired St Nicholas of Myra. Here’s one of the hymns of his feast:

Heir of God, fellow communicant of Christ, minister of the Lord, holy Nicholas; your name was as your life. For the radiance of your countenance bore witness to your intellect shining forth in your white-haired head and your innocence of spirit; and your serenity proclaimed your meekness. Your life was glorious and your repose is with the saints. Pray on behalf of our souls.

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Religious Topics / Re: Beebertian Perspectives on Salvation
« Last post by benjohn146 on Today at 12:38:28 PM »
^Might want to brush up on your theological anthropology there, chief :) A man truly believes this will help. But a man only suggests. A second man who the first man is talking to can do as the second man likes.
What?

Disregard. This was addressed to me.
Oh sorry. By the way, how can I know God is well meaning and Good of I dont experience that he is? To me he feels indifferent, angry, sadistic and mad. I dont know why But that is the feeling I get when I pray and read the bible.  He is mentioned by John as love but the whole old testament seems to indicate that he is vengeful and angry. Revelation of John too. Maybe he just loves a few chosen ones ?

When I was younger I remember that I despised Sheppard's pie but everybody around me was telling me that it was good. I recently decided to take a different view on that seeing it as food that some cant afford, and it just tasted awesome!

Also, the recipe played a huge part in it too. Your recipe of God's experience doesn't seem really tasty indeed. Perhaps try the Orthodox recipe of the experience of God served at an Orthodox Church.

From what I am reading, you are only abiding to your own interpretations. Try a different recipe.

If you stop your experience of God at the feelings level, you are not even close to the "country" where the "Lord's house is located" (a metaphor, of course).
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Religious Topics / Re: Beebertian Perspectives on Salvation
« Last post by Alkis on Today at 12:38:08 PM »
Your way of thinking is a bit western and not orthodox. Orthodox Church teaches REPETANCE. METANOIA in greek [meta (after) + nous (mind)]. To change your mind. Changing my mind, my heart is not something that will happen magically. God doesn't violate our free will to change our lives magically, in a moment. We must cooperate with Him for our salvation and with patience. Do not panic please! It is harmful for your soul.
How do I repent? How do I Change my mind? My lustful Nature for example I have barely any Control over. I dont have to act upon it. But the lust is still there. I dont know where to turn since praying to God feels like talking to myself. God feels sadistic to me. I am sorry but I have to say so. He demands me to be well but doesn't seem willing to help me get well. He creates me for what purpose? To test me? I didn't ask for this. Had I known the conditions beforehand I would have prefered not having been born. Now God demands me to Believe Believe I am forgiven by Christ, which seems impossible to me. He demands me under threat of never ending torture to obey him and be in a relationship with him but when  I pray to him and seek him he doesnt give me the slightest hint of that he even exists. And then he demands me to be well. And threatens with torture that never ends. I would prefer it if it all got dark when I died anyway. But Nooooo, I either have to praise him eternally or be tortured eternally. Is this morality? Is this ethical? Sounds totalitarian and sadistic to me.
How to change your mind and heart? Read it. The whole Bible (Old and New Testament) and the Fathers speak about this issue. Theosis is  the centre. This is your and my purpose of life. To be, according to our nature and ability as humans, like God in God, by His grace. Stop seeing God as an enemy. We are now His children. We grow up in this family and we become more and more mature. Be patient. It will be better for you to speak with a priest and to attend all the liturgies and services of our Mother Church.
I don't see God directly as an enemy But he seems to consider me one and be willing to damn me to hell and to hate me because he certainly doesn't answer my prayers in any sense of the word. I am just starting to give up. I have been under these hellish torments of despair for 8 months now and I am just starting to accept that God wants me to burn in hell se it seems. I feel mocked by him.

We said before that God doesn't punish. We punish ourselves, we go far from Him. The orthodox concept of afterlife is that we will experience God in 2 different ways. So to say that "God damns to hell and hates" or "wants to burn me" are NOT orthodox phrases. Unfortunately many people use these phrases... Read Luke 18. Jesus said to always pray. ALWAYS AND MANY TIMES.
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Religious Topics / Re: Schlock Icons
« Last post by Mor Ephrem on Today at 12:36:22 PM »
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Religious Topics / Re: Beebertian Perspectives on Salvation
« Last post by beebert on Today at 12:28:31 PM »
Your way of thinking is a bit western and not orthodox. Orthodox Church teaches REPETANCE. METANOIA in greek [meta (after) + nous (mind)]. To change your mind. Changing my mind, my heart is not something that will happen magically. God doesn't violate our free will to change our lives magically, in a moment. We must cooperate with Him for our salvation and with patience. Do not panic please! It is harmful for your soul.
How do I repent? How do I Change my mind? My lustful Nature for example I have barely any Control over. I dont have to act upon it. But the lust is still there. I dont know where to turn since praying to God feels like talking to myself. God feels sadistic to me. I am sorry but I have to say so. He demands me to be well but doesn't seem willing to help me get well. He creates me for what purpose? To test me? I didn't ask for this. Had I known the conditions beforehand I would have prefered not having been born. Now God demands me to Believe Believe I am forgiven by Christ, which seems impossible to me. He demands me under threat of never ending torture to obey him and be in a relationship with him but when  I pray to him and seek him he doesnt give me the slightest hint of that he even exists. And then he demands me to be well. And threatens with torture that never ends. I would prefer it if it all got dark when I died anyway. But Nooooo, I either have to praise him eternally or be tortured eternally. Is this morality? Is this ethical? Sounds totalitarian and sadistic to me.
How to change your mind and heart? Read it. The whole Bible (Old and New Testament) and the Fathers speak about this issue. Theosis is  the centre. This is your and my purpose of life. To be, according to our nature and ability as humans, like God in God, by His grace. Stop seeing God as an enemy. We are now His children. We grow up in this family and we become more and more mature. Be patient. It will be better for you to speak with a priest and to attend all the liturgies and services of our Mother Church.
I don't see God directly as an enemy But he seems to consider me one and be willing to damn me to hell and to hate me because he certainly doesn't answer my prayers in any sense of the word. I am just starting to give up. I have been under these hellish torments of despair for 8 months now and I am just starting to accept that God wants me to burn in hell se it seems. I feel mocked by him.
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Liturgy / Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Last post by Iconodule on Today at 12:24:25 PM »
The biggest "iconic" argument involves the fact that the priest (or bishop) celebrating the Liturgy acts in persona Christi, and since Christ was male, those who represent him have to be male.

As far as I can tell, this is a pretty new argument that was produced only after the question of women priests was raised. It doesn't seem to have any basis as a traditional reason for a male-only priesthood. It has a problematic connotation that women cannot image Christ as well as men. It also begs the question- if the priest has to be male because Christ was male, why doesn't he also have to be a Palestinian Jew in his 30's?

I am not in favor of women's ordination, mainly because I don't see it as necessary, and I am uncomfortable with breaking a 2000 year old tradition without a good reason, but I have yet to see a serious theological argument against it.
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Religious Topics / Re: Beebertian Perspectives on Salvation
« Last post by beebert on Today at 12:24:16 PM »
^Might want to brush up on your theological anthropology there, chief :) A man truly believes this will help. But a man only suggests. A second man who the first man is talking to can do as the second man likes.
What?

Disregard. This was addressed to me.
Oh sorry. By the way, how can I know God is well meaning and Good of I dont experience that he is? To me he feels indifferent, angry, sadistic and mad. I dont know why But that is the feeling I get when I pray and read the bible.  He is mentioned by John as love but the whole old testament seems to indicate that he is vengeful and angry. Revelation of John too. Maybe he just loves a few chosen ones ?
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Liturgy / Re: Forgiveness Sunday Vespers
« Last post by Iconodule on Today at 12:18:31 PM »
Among us, my experience is that the exchange of forgiveness is often rather perfunctory, and so I can sympathise with your criticism.  That said, the priests seem to be working on changing that for the better, and I don't see how that would happen without practice.  There's definitely a need for it: unless you show up for services and leave immediately after with no further interaction with anyone, you're bound to offend and be offended in any parish.  If anything, it should be done more than just at the beginning of Lent.   

Parishioners who have offended each other should exchange forgiveness. And it may even be proper to have a moment in the liturgy for them to do this- in which case, one person can deliberately seek out the other person he has offended. But having all the parishioners line up and do the same forgiveness ritual with each other, regardless of what was or wasn't done, or how well they know each other, seems to me to severely mitigate any possible power the act can have when conducted between two people who actually have beef.
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Religious Topics / Re: Beebertian Perspectives on Salvation
« Last post by benjohn146 on Today at 12:14:10 PM »
^Might want to brush up on your theological anthropology there, chief :) A man truly believes this will help. But a man only suggests. A second man who the first man is talking to can do as the second man likes.
What?

Disregard. This was addressed to me.
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Liturgy / Re: Forgiveness Sunday Vespers
« Last post by Alkis on Today at 12:12:24 PM »
In our cathedral in Serres, the bishop called us, after the vesper, to bless us and then we kissed a miraculous icon of Christ and some relics of saint Basil, saint John the Baptist,...
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