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It is frustrating, and there's no easy answer. In my mind, I've set some goalposts, where if [this] or [that] happens, it's a sign that God wants me to leave. And if I leave, I'd definitely gravitate towards Orthodoxy (being Byzantine Catholic already).

But whenever I think seriously, real-world-scenario, about it, imagining myself *actually* leaving the communion of the Catholic Church, something in my heart just break apart.

Plus, I've still got a lot of sentimental attachments to the West -- the Rosary; a Benedictine monastery I love to visit a couple of times a month; etc. So, I guess I'm just not ready for it ... yet.  :'(

(However, plant a nice Western Rite Orthodox mission church within a few miles of our house, and that just might pull me in! :D )
where do you go to church?..if it's to a novus ordo mass then I have some bad news for are not Catholic...I came to this realization 7 yrs ago..yo must follow the traditional catholic faith prior to vatican's no where else to go
Faith Issues / Re: Shroud of Turin ~ information and understanding
« Last post by rakovsky on Today at 12:53:37 AM »
Well ~ the Shroud can be the Mandylion ~ the reason is the King of Edessa invited Christ to come to Edessa where he would be welcome and safe ~ Jesus sent a Cloth and a message of thanks ~ but that he would not be coming ~ the Cloth ~ it is said ~ cured the King of an illness that he was plagued with ~ and ~ of course the Shroud was not ~ could not have existed before the Crucifixion ```
That makes sense. Maybe there was a confusion in the legends, who knows? Like the Armenians got the Shroud and they folded it up so that they only saw the face, and much later when they tried to explain it, they suggested that Jesus made it as a gift when He was still alive.
But I still think you are making a good point.
To leave the Roman Catholic Church is to lose your salvation. But where is the Roman Catholic Church today?
One loses their salvation by leaving the very church that can't be found? Your statement is an oxymoron (according to Roman Catholic Theology.)

Certainly not apostate Rome
You do realize, according to the Catholic Church, the indefectibility and immutability of the church is tied directly to the chair of Peter, of which the Bishop of Rome sits? To call Rome apostate is to declare Rome defected.

you don't have a clue to what you are talking about
the Church in Rome can call itself Roman Catholic all it wants but the plain fact is it' s anti catholic, if you can't admit to this after doing some basic research than you are beyond help
as far as indefectibility

indefectibility (the promise of Christ
 to always be with His Church, and that the
gates of Hell will not prevail against it) means that the Church will, until the end of time, remain
essentially what she is.  The indefectibility of the Church requires that
at least a remnant
 of the
Church will exist until the end of the world, and
that a true pope will never authoritatively teach
error to the entire Church.  It does not ex
clude antipopes posing as popes (as we’ve had
numerous times in the past, even in Rome) or a co
unterfeit sect that reduces the adherents of the
true Catholic Church to a remnant in the last days.  This is precisely
what is predicted
 to occur in
the last days and what happene
d during the Arian crisis. 
Further, it should be noted that the Church has
defined that heretics are the gates of Hell which
Our Lord mentioned in Matthew 16!
Pope Vigilius,
Second Council of Constantinople
, 553:
“... we bear in mind what was promised about the holy Church and Him who said
gates of Hell will not prevail against it
(by these we understand the death-dealing
tongues of heretics)
Pope St. Leo IX, Sept. 2, 1053: “The holy Chur
ch built upon a rock, that is Christ, and
... because by
the gates of Hell, that is, by the disputations of heretics
lead the vain to destruction, it would never be overcome.”
St. Thomas Aquinas (+1262): “Wisdom may fill the hearts of the faithful,
and put to
silence the dread folly of heretics, fittin
gly referred to as the gates of Hell.”
Intro. To
Catena Aurea
Notice that heretics are the gates of Hell.  Here
tics are not members of the Church.  That’s why a
heretic could never be a pope.  Th
e gates of Hell (heretics) coul
d never have authority over the
Church of Christ.  It’s not those who expose th
e heretical Vatican II antipopes who are asserting
Objection 1): The Gates of Hell cannot prevail against the Church,
as Christ said (Matthew 16). 
He said He would be with His
Church all days until the end of
 the world (Matthew 28).  What
you are saying is contrary to the promises of Christ.
Answers to Objections
that the gates of Hell have prevailed against the Church; it’s those who obstinately defend them
as popes, even though they can clearl
y be proven to be manifest heretics.
Pope Innocent III,
Eius exemplo
, Dec. 18, 1208:
“By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess
the one Church,
not of heretics
but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church outside of which we believe that no
one is saved.”
St. Francis De Sales (17
 century), Doctor of the Church,
The Catholic Controversy
, pp.
305-306:  "
Now when he [the Pope] is explicitly a heretic, he falls
ipso facto
 from his
dignity and out of the Church
There is not one teaching of the Catholic Church th
at can be quoted which is contrary to the fact
that there is presently a counterfeit sect which ha
s reduced the true Catholic Church to a remnant
in the days of the Great Apostasy, which is presid
ed over by antipopes wh
o have falsely posed as
popes.  Those who assert that the Vatican II sect
is the Catholic Church assert that the Catholic
Church officially endorses false religions and fals
e doctrines.  This is impossible and would mean
that the gates of Hell have prevailed against the Cathol
Prayer Forum / Re: Daily Prayer Thread
« Last post by hecma925 on Today at 12:50:03 AM »
Kyriiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeleeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiisooooooooooon.
To leave the Roman Catholic Church is to lose your salvation. But where is the Roman Catholic Church today? Certainly not apostate Rome, anyone can do simple research to realize vatican 2 is anti catholic. The pope is anti catholic. Freemason homos infiltrated the Church decades before vatican 2. You must hold the traditional Catholic faith to save your soul, many here would disagree..but they are wrong.

How many decades before Vatican II did these “gay freemasons” take over?  You do realize most Masonic lodges only recently started accepting homosexual members?  And the grand lodge of Tennessee and at least one other has severed relations with those other lodges, so a Mason from California who is visiting Tennessee is no longer permitted to attend the lodges there.  Its a sort or Masonic schism, although one I doubt they can afford given their fast-dwindling membership numbers.

But further to my point, you’re going to have to do a better job on this point of when exactly this happened.  Who is to say this takeover did not occur under Vatican I?  After all, it was only after that council that radical chanes to the RCC liturgy began starting with Pope Pius X.  And Vatican I caused a permanent schism.  Before Vatican I and before the Papal Zouaves got their posteriors kicked by the forces of Giuseppe Garibaldi, who was of Masonic affiliation IIRC, everything in the RCC was proceedingly swimmingly.  You had just caused or exploited some major schisms in the Orthodox church to set up some new Eastern Rite sui juris churches, missionary efforts in Asia, Africa and the Americas were proceeding under the dilligent direction of the “Red Pope” (the Cardinal in charge of Propaganda), and the Church had regained legal access to several Northern European Protestant countries, in particular Great Britain.

Then the Papal States were defeated, Vatican I happened and it has been mostly downhill ever since for the Roman church.

you don't know what you are talking about , I don't know whether I should laugh or cry,..the masons are a degenerate lot of what you said is akin to someone do know satan didn't accept homos until?? the masons have been trying to destroy the Church for centuries.... as far as doing a better job of when it happened I have records of the seminaries being invested wih homos in the 40's

the Church in Rome can call itself Roman Catholic all it wants but the plain fact is it' s anti catholic, if you can't admit to this after doing some basic research than you are beyond help

Our Lady of La Salette, Sept. 19, 1846: “Rome will lose the Faith and
become the seat of the Anti-Christ... the Church will be in eclipse.”

Other Topics / Re: W.A.G.-word association game
« Last post by Luke on Today at 12:49:41 AM »
Faith Issues / Re: Shroud of Turin ~ information and understanding
« Last post by hecma925 on Today at 12:46:54 AM »
The shroud is in Italy.  You can have cacio e pepe and venerate a copy of the shroud on the same day.  Fact.
Could this strange reference have been planted by Trotsky from Carnegie Mellon ?
I am not sure what kind of response you are expecting. I did not take statistics, what I know is self taught from text books when it became necessary.

On the top of page 2 of your paper: "Not for every murder the database has the exact date. Often only the month or even only the year." Change this to "Not every murder in the database has the exact date. Many specify only the month and/or year."

I did not understand the justification for this: "Even if a killer committed a single murder on an uncertain date and many murders on certain dates he was excluded at this stage." Why not just exclude the uncertain date? Why would the inclusion change the outcome?

You go on with additional exclusions. It is hard to understand why because there is no mention of why this analysis is potentially useful. It makes no sense to present data solely because it can be curve fitted.

Also, Shalizi's sense of humor is similar to yours. See I need to get both of you over some evening.

Other Topics / Re: W.A.G.-word association game
« Last post by hecma925 on Today at 12:45:03 AM »
Other Topics / Re: Ban the person above
« Last post by hecma925 on Today at 12:44:08 AM »
Banned for allowing the toe absorb the foot.
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