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 on: Today at 11:50:47 AM 
Started by Justin Kissel - Last post by DeniseDenise

you said...henceforth no one will go nuts.

People are already nuts.

 on: Today at 11:49:59 AM 
Started by Justin Kissel - Last post by Mor Ephrem
too late


 on: Today at 11:47:24 AM 
Started by Ebor - Last post by TheTrisagion
I am dealing with so many first-world problems right now, it would make a starving Sudanese child's head spin.

 on: Today at 11:47:22 AM 
Started by The young fogey - Last post by ialmisry
In another thread someone said the Seventh Ecumenical Council teaches that the use of images in worship is de fide, required.

I disagree.

The church includes cultures/rites that don't use them (the Nestorian Rite). All you have to believe is that your brethren using them aren't heretics for so doing.

A thought: like the Byzantine Rite requires them, maybe it was just a rule, not a doctrine. Like how Trent said the Mass had to be in Latin, but that's not de fide. Or the Russians require the services to be in Slavonic in Russia; the Greeks in Greece medieval Greek. Just rules.
Is Munificentissius Deus just a rule?
Hence if anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or to call into doubt that which we have defined, let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith.

 on: Today at 11:46:13 AM 
Started by Godspell - Last post by Godspell
Some of the books in the so-called Deuterocanon are read from liturgically, or have selections incorporated into liturgical hymns and prayers. They are no less Scripture than the other books of the OT and NT.

Is there an uncontested limit for the number in the OT? For instance Protestants use 39, Catholics I think have 46 and I've heard some Orthodox use as many as 53. Now, if there's uncertainty about some of the books between Catholicism and Orthodoxy that are disputed, how would you treat them?

Mainly what I'm asking is how you read those books that are apocryphal or else controversially included? I've heard Maccabees cited frequently, but I tend to approach most of the books in the Deuterocannon with suspicion since, as I understand it, the Church was uncertain whether they were written by prophets.
We don't have an absolute deuterocanon. We have the Tanakh, the Law, Psalms, Prophets, and we also have all of these other early books which are called books that are read. Books that are read are spiritually-profitable texts that include the Maccabees, Tobit, etc. They are not called books that are read on the basis of "being 'Scripture," in a technical sense, "being fully inspired," "being empirically-identifiable with a prophet," etc. I don't think such concerns would have made much sense to most early Christians, especially not those of Semitic extraction, who had a big view of God and what was of him.

As for how we read the Scriptures in general, it is my understanding that there is a sort of hierarchy of interpretation which goes like this:

Gospels and Epistles
Old Testament
Books that are read

(I'm not going to get into where Revelation fits in here; that's another thread.)

If I'm not mistaken, actually, isn't the Torah considered just below the Gospels? This is actually similar to how I would put it. Honestly, I think theologically everything we need to know is in the Gospels, and at that even the Gospel of John. Epistles and tradition, IMO all run parallel with to that.

 on: Today at 11:45:24 AM 
Started by orthonorm - Last post by TheTrisagion
I find these often make the best mates.  Justin, lust not. I know she is a redhead, but you must control your passions!

sidenote: do not do an image search of the word "marionette". There is some truly weird Japanese porn out there!

 on: Today at 11:44:20 AM 
Started by Justin Kissel - Last post by DeniseDenise
too late

 on: Today at 11:44:14 AM 
Started by orthonorm - Last post by Justin Kissel
My loving one is dead but i was controling her.

Past tense? If you truly controlled woman in life you would still be able to control her in death. When you have control no longer that's how you know your loving one was a sham. Flee such as this.

 on: Today at 11:42:09 AM 
Started by Fabio Leite - Last post by ialmisry
This thread needs maps.  Fortunately, I've already posted some apropos ones already

 on: Today at 11:39:23 AM 
Started by orthonorm - Last post by Indocern
Well so much for the girl at the super market. My spiritual father told me to stop talking to her and to all women, delete her number and find another place to shop because I am to become a monk.

Do you feel called to be a monk?  

Yes, but I still like women and the idea of being with one. I've never dated an Orthodox girl so there is a part of me that wants to try. Must have something to do with our natural created instincts.  

Have you ever read Fr. Alexander Schmemann's advice to those attempting to discern this vocation?

It could be quite helpful it would seem to me.

Maybe someone can offer them, I am not seeing a properly cited excerpt on the internet at the moment.

Thank you for your concern, I'll be fine for I am in good hands. I've had this vocation since as long as I can remember. I am 28 now and have been on the journey to go to the monastery for the past 3 years. Each persons process is different and you can't compair two together. Women are just a temptation to me because I realise it is just the looks that I am attracted to. That girl at the store was a super devote Protestant and she said she felt sorry I was orthodox and she said if I wanted to be with her I had to stop being Orthodox. My spiritual fahter knows what he is doing Smiley

Man is a man, must not to be controled by woman, you must control the woman.

You don't have to become a monk, this is not the only girl in the world.

She don't love you if she love you will accept your religion.
Sage advice.  I assume your single?  Tongue

My loving one is dead but i was controling her.

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