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 on: Today at 02:52:25 PM 
Started by revelations214 - Last post by WPM
Allegory and Prose meant to depict a Poetic tale ..Not facts. (Unless you reason that the Bible is made up of historical facts about ancient events) ...

 32 
 on: Today at 02:49:32 PM 
Started by Gorazd - Last post by The young fogey
My more academically-minded Mormon friends seem to thirst after some form of concrete history/theology which the LDS seem to sweep under the rug.

There's a legend that the LDS presidents/prophets, their Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and maybe even every bishop KNOW it's bunk, but the top men get literally a million dollars when they accept the job, to keep it going and keep quiet. Sort of like a religious pyramid scheme.

Wasn't there a murder case in which somebody at Brigham Young University almost exposed the real origins of Mormonism?
As much as I would like to believe that to be true, there are enough people who don't need to be paid to believe ludicrous things for the LDS Church to keep their Quorum filled for all eternity.

Sure, your rank-and-file Mormons, including the converts, who just love the seeming normality and the fellowship. But Ezra Taft Benson (Ike's secretary of agriculture, later Mormonism's prophet) and FBI agents? (I understand the feds recruit Mormons like they used to recruit Irish Catholic cops.) Not stupid nor I imagine gullible.

 33 
 on: Today at 02:49:29 PM 
Started by EY - Last post by TheTrisagion
But there was very little consensus of the Fathers on the Canon of Scripture. All around people rejected Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2-3 John, and Revelation. Also, some believed in the Shepherd being in the Canon, and others. Others believed in what today only Protestants hold as the Canon. If the Consensus of the Fathers cannot resolve this issue, why would the papal arguments in the Patristics be defeated just because "some" did not believe it?
There was dispute, to be sure, but I don't think it is accurate to say there was very little consensus. The early Church was not quite so deadset on defining a canon as Christianity is today. Also, the consensus of the Fathers DID resolve the issue. Christendom has largely accepted the canon which the early fathers came to an agreement on.

 34 
 on: Today at 02:45:55 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Antonis
UnTexaslike
Thoughtful.

 35 
 on: Today at 02:45:52 PM 
Started by Charles Martel - Last post by Mor Ephrem
I'm not so sure about the comparisons between two popes, one way or the other. Pope Francis is Pope and he wishes to address others by the titles they call themselves. Let it be. Its like the issue of how to address an Anglican bishop... For the most part they don't have apostolic succession (I think only exists through the old Catholics and those made bishops via them and maybe one or two other means) however I still call the archbishop of Johannesburg by his title in his church not out of belief of him being an actual bishop but rather out of respect. I really just see it as him being respectful.


 36 
 on: Today at 02:44:20 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Justin Kissel
UnTexaslike

 37 
 on: Today at 02:43:39 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by WPM
monochrome

 38 
 on: Today at 02:43:15 PM 
Started by Gorazd - Last post by TheTrisagion
My more academically-minded Mormon friends seem to thirst after some form of concrete history/theology which the LDS seem to sweep under the rug.

There's a legend that the LDS presidents/prophets, their Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and maybe even every bishop KNOW it's bunk, but the top men get literally a million dollars when they accept the job, to keep it going and keep quiet. Sort of like a religious pyramid scheme.

Wasn't there a murder case in which somebody at Brigham Young University almost exposed the real origins of Mormonism?
As much as I would like to believe that to be true, there are enough people who don't need to be paid to believe ludicrous things for the LDS Church to keep their Quorum filled for all eternity.

 39 
 on: Today at 02:42:33 PM 
Started by revelations214 - Last post by revelations214
I love debating non Christians, and in a recent debate, i made a claim that the orthodox church does not claim the every single event in the bible is literal, the subject in question at the time was creation.  I used the quote that says "a day for the lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day."  In order to illustrate my point.  Before the subject of creation I was defending things such as communion and confession as literal items.   

I was immediately assaulted with accusations of contradictions and ignorance.  After the debate i found myself lacking any strong support for what is lteral and what is analogy in the bible.  was wondering if someone could elaborate on this.

 40 
 on: Today at 02:41:55 PM 
Started by vorgos - Last post by Justin Kissel
Easter Island: Mysteries of a Lost World

I don't get what it has to do with pascha, or even Christianity, but in general it wasn't that bad.

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