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 on: Yesterday at 09:46:04 PM 
Started by Ian Lazarus - Last post by Minnesotan
Working retail makes me hate popular Christmas music even more than ever before. The same 30-ish songs on repeat every single day for a month.

I know exactly how you feel; I work retail too and I've observed (and been annoyed by) the same thing.

They really should add a broader variety of music to their playlist, rather than just the same old standards over and over again. Maybe something off the beaten path like this or this or this (take that Megyn Kelly!) or this or this, or anything off this album (I do love those Oaks).

I should give my workplace more credit, though. They do play some more out-of-the-way Christmas songs, some of which are quite good. I would never have heard this Extreme-ly awesome track if it weren't for them.

 22 
 on: Yesterday at 09:45:31 PM 
Started by Superior Practices - Last post by scamandrius
You've heard of the expression, "Think on on your feet?"  That applies to LIturgy, too.  I find that I pray more fervently and with fewer distractions if I am standing rather than seated comfortably. 

 23 
 on: Yesterday at 09:43:56 PM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by scamandrius
I can regard art as ugly, but never frightening. If it causes you to fear, then you've got some psychological issues. I'm sure that's not what you meant.

 24 
 on: Yesterday at 09:34:25 PM 
Started by Wandile - Last post by Minnesotan


The Church of Rome's primacy is based on the City of Rome having been the capital of the Roman Empire.

I've heard this said quiet a bit, and not here to argue the point necessarily, but didn't the early fathers base the primacy of Rome on the Martyrdom of Sts. Peter and Paul?

How early is early?

It's been a while since I read Dvornik's Byzantium and the Roman Primacy, I don't have a copy, and I don't know if there's better scholarship out there since it was published, but according to my recollection, he claims that the "apostolicity" of Sees was not really an emphasis until about the fifth century.  No one denied the martyrdom of SS Peter and Paul in Rome, but it wasn't evidence in support of primacy until the ascendancy of Constantinople. 

That is my impression also. It is really too bad that the basis for primacy shifted from doctrinal purity and constancy. Nothing after that early period really is satisfactory but the currently reality is that, on the one hand, we have a Bishop of Rome who rules all of the Roman Catholic Churches around the world, and on the other hand, 15 or so Orthodox Churches lead by a First Among Equals, whose flock is dwarfed by the Patriarch of Moscow. If Canon 34 is applied to relationships between the local churches (a matter of contention between Constantinople and Moscow at this time), then it would seem that it does not matter who is the First Among Equals because unanimity would be required and even the smallest and newest local church can veto anything at any time. So, I do see the logic behind the "First Without Equals" argument that the Metropolitan of Bursa put forth rather forcibly in reply to Moscow's stance. I agree with Moscow's more orthodox position but I also understand that the First Among Equals must more than a chair of a pan-Orthodox meeting. I think that the answer lies somewhere in between. I would think that a start may be to establish a permanent coordinating body that is led predominantly by Moscow and Constantinople, with staffing from most of the local churches. The chair of this body can rotate between Constantinople. Moscow, Antioch, and Alexandria. At the same time, Constantinople would remain First Among Equals with current privileges and responsibilities, while Moscow can be moved to number 2. I know I am dreaming but some out-of-the-box thinking could help us get out of the current impasse.

Also keep in mind that Constantinople being first among equals is small-t tradition, not big-T tradition. The reason why Constantinople was originally declared such is because, at the time, it was the "New Rome". There were practical reasons why it was granted that status; it was a big, influential city. Now, of course, all that's left of it is in Istanbul, a tiny flock based in a Muslim country.

Nowadays, if they were following the same logic the Fathers used, wouldn't they shift the primacy to Moscow? Of course, doing that canonically would take another unanimous action by a council, and there's no way the EP is going to just give up his right to the title "First Among Equals" in favor of Moscow. I'm not sure what kind of incentives or horse-trading it would take to get the Constantinopolitans to agree to that. Perhaps there's nothing that would convince them, short of a catastrophe (say, if the EP suddenly found itself financially insolvent and had to disband, or if, heaven forbid, the Turks become radicalized and forcibly abolish the EP).

 25 
 on: Yesterday at 09:23:43 PM 
Started by Volnutt - Last post by Minnesotan
Third, we are not to serve them.
Why do you think people salute the flag? I'm guessing as an Anabaptist, you don't do it yourself. But do you know why others do?

At least the Anabaptists and the JW's are consistent in this respect. There are many conservative Protestants who would get the vapors if you suggested putting an icon up in their church, but they have no problem with having a huge American flag there. Back before 1776, their Puritan forebears objected to crosses in the sanctuary, but were perfectly okay putting up a crown symbolizing the King/Queen of England.

For all the rejection of religious imagery and its veneration by such groups, a sure way to get into deep trouble with them is to spit on or otherwise desecrate a Bible. I've never understood how venerating an icon is so offensive to them, while treating a book made of ink and paper with similar reverence is laudable.


 26 
 on: Yesterday at 09:17:47 PM 
Started by Volnutt - Last post by LBK
Third, we are not to serve them.
Why do you think people salute the flag? I'm guessing as an Anabaptist, you don't do it yourself. But do you know why others do?

At least the Anabaptists and the JW's are consistent in this respect. There are many conservative Protestants who would get the vapors if you suggested putting an icon up in their church, but they have no problem with having a huge American flag there. Back before 1776, their Puritan forebears objected to crosses in the sanctuary, but were perfectly okay putting up a crown symbolizing the King/Queen of England.

For all the rejection of religious imagery and its veneration by such groups, a sure way to get into deep trouble with them is to spit on or otherwise desecrate a Bible. I've never understood how venerating an icon is so offensive to them, while treating a book made of ink and paper with similar reverence is laudable.

 27 
 on: Yesterday at 09:15:48 PM 
Started by hecma925 - Last post by hecma925
in Hoboken that might be a while.....


 laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Better than Camden.  Not by much, though.

 28 
 on: Yesterday at 09:12:19 PM 
Started by Volnutt - Last post by Minnesotan
Third, we are not to serve them.
Why do you think people salute the flag? I'm guessing as an Anabaptist, you don't do it yourself. But do you know why others do?

At least the Anabaptists and the JW's are consistent in this respect. There are many conservative Protestants who would get the vapors if you suggested putting an icon up in their church, but they have no problem with having a huge American flag there. Back before 1776, their Puritan forebears objected to crosses in the sanctuary, but were perfectly okay putting up a crown symbolizing the King/Queen of England.

 29 
 on: Yesterday at 09:09:21 PM 
Started by Mor Ephrem - Last post by Alxandra


Fasting resurrection! Mmmmm.

My favourite! Orange and apricot are the best

 30 
 on: Yesterday at 09:07:43 PM 
Started by hecma925 - Last post by SolEX01
 Shocked This thread is getting edgier by the day.  Someone's bound to cross the line and accuse Mor of unspeakable things....  Shocked

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