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Faith Issues / Re: Why didn't they appoint a new Patriarch of Rome?
« Last post by minasoliman on Today at 02:40:40 PM »
He would probably have to be a titular bishop, safely in Byzantine territory. An actual Orthodox "schismatic" bishop of Rome in Rome would probably be lynched on the spot.

One can ask is the idea of a "titular bishop" even canonical?  It seems to me it is only valid spiritually for there to be a bishop/presbyter/deacon over an assembly, not over a non-existent/extinct diocese.
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Other Topics / Re: Anyone work for the INS?
« Last post by vamrat on Today at 02:23:27 PM »
They do things and stuff.

Any specific info you are looking for?
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Prayer Forum / Apologies and Prayers
« Last post by seekeroftruth777 on Today at 01:58:23 PM »
Ok folks first I would like to apologize to Charles Martel, Len, Orthodox4christ, Iconodule, the homosexual supporters on this board, and anybody else I was rude to or responded negatively towards. My actions have been far fron christ like and I fail everyday at that.

Second I need your prayers that I may think clearer before I post and to cntrol my temper towards my brothers and sisters in christ on hot topic subjects (especially Gay marriage and certain political topics). I need your prayers to think before I write and to not get so darn angry.
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After Rome separated itself from the Church, I was a bit curious as to why the Church didn't try (at any point in history) to simply appoint a new Patriarch of Rome. Seems like that could be a valuable tool in establishing Western Orthodoxy.

It is a good question, since the precedent was set of establishing Greek bishoprics in Alexandria and Antioch to rival the existing indigenous bishoprics after the dispute over Chalcedon.  My guess would be something along the lines of what Iconodule posted.  The Franks likely wouldn't have allowed a Greek bishop to get more than 20 paces before burning him alive or something.

it also would raise questions of who at the top of the diptychs-since the EP is one of the two (Romania is the other) with the best case for jurisdiction in Italy.

This raises two questions for me:

1. Wouldn't the existence of this hypothetical Orthodox bishop of Rome place him above New Rome or Romania in the diptychs?  Or are you saying he'd be beholden to one of them?

2. What claim does Romania have over Italy?
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Problematic objections to ECism ...
« Last post by Tony on Today at 01:43:34 PM »
Greetings all. I realize there have been numerous threads about Orthodox objections to Greek and Oriental Catholicism ... but I'm starting this thread because I hope to get some discussion going concerning the distinction between (1) objections to abuses (without getting deeply into this at the moment, let me say one word: proselytism) and (2) objections in principle to any Eastern Christians and Western Christians being in full communion with each other.

Is anyone willing to speak to this subject? I've tried over the years to be highly receptive to the Orthodox objections to ECism, but I must say that all my experiences point to the fact that some portion of these objections fall under (2). Frankly, I find it a bit disturbing, kind of like those who say "Your type of people can't marry our type of people."

The 'Byzantine' Liturgy is the lex orandi of the Orthodox Church, just as the Coptic liturgy is the lex orandi of the Coptic Church. If you affirm the contents of one of those liturgies, you should be consistent and join the Church to which those liturgies belong. Going for a cheap ripoff is silly and only leads to problems, such as the Eastern Catholics celebrating saints like St. Mark of Ephesus and Oriental Catholics celebrating Severus of Antioch.

I don't believe St Mark of Ephesus is on any Eastern Catholic calendar. However, St Gregory Palamas is.
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Faith Issues / Re: Why didn't they appoint a new Patriarch of Rome?
« Last post by ialmisry on Today at 01:29:48 PM »
He would probably have to be a titular bishop, safely in Byzantine territory. An actual Orthodox "schismatic" bishop of Rome in Rome would probably be lynched on the spot.

Is there any canonical reason why it would be impossible to do that in our modern era?
Don't be rude to your hosts.

Is that directed at me, or the thought of establishing a Patriarch of Rome?
To the thought of establishing a Patriarch of Rome.
it also would raise questions of who at the top of the diptychs-since the EP is one of the two (Romania is the other) with the best case for jurisdiction in Italy.
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My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
True however from my expirence the Greek festivals to be more about Greek culture, food, music, etc. than anything related to Greek Orthodoxy.
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My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
you mean, like the Bolshoi on tour?
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Faith Issues / Re: Romanian Orthodoxy
« Last post by seekeroftruth777 on Today at 01:24:25 PM »
everything so far is beautiful. on youtube there a video up unless it got taken down by now of a Romania orthodox priest who suffered in the Communist gulags it was a very touching documentary. Romania very fascinating despite being western in language and culture it converted to Eastern Orthodoxy.
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Faith Issues / Re: Proving God exists
« Last post by LenInSebastopol on Today at 01:21:15 PM »
WPM and TITL, you are both using different meanings of the word "proof" which is at best, basic in communication.
More importantly, besides speaking different words thinking they're the same, your points of view and departure for your respective , assumptions are rather far off.
Good luck on being succinct.
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