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 on: Today at 10:25:44 AM 
Started by WPM - Last post by dzheremi
"Barbarian" is often treated as not of Greek custom or language, similar to how many languages have words for other peoples that essentially translate into "These people over here don't speak our language" ( = what a bunch of uncivilized subhumans). This is the case with the Russian word for "German", for instance, немец, which ultimately comes from Proto-Slavic němъ 'dumb' (as in "mute"). The Arabs later borrowed the Greek word to describe the native inhabitants of North Africa who are referred to in their own languages by some variant of the collective term Imazighen, but who we know in English (via the Greek/Arabic pejorative term) as "Berbers" (in Arabic, such that I've heard it, it's pronounced more like "Barbar"). This creates an interesting situation in some of the Arabic-language paraliturgical songs and hagiographical texts having to do with the deaths of some of our saints, for instance of St. Moses the Black/the Strong/the Ethiopian, since the texts say ambiguously that he was martyred when "el-Barbar" attacked the monastery. Do they mean Imazighen (for whom "Barbarian" in the sense of non-Christian would not necessarily fit; there were many Imazghen or mixed Imazighen saints in the early church in North Africa; St. Augustine is probably the most famous example), or less-specifically some race of non-Greeks (in which case St. Moses was himself also a "barbar" in this way), or...

So I would think "Barbarian" in any of its many forms, if it is used the original text for what is translated as "enemies of the church", could refer to many different peoples, and is probably quite general as a result (and hence a good explanation for why the translation "enemies of the church" is very general, and left without further explanation).

 on: Today at 10:19:47 AM 
Started by Ortho_cat - Last post by TheTrisagion
Thank you for sharing, Bernardoastur7! Welcome to the forum.

 on: Today at 10:17:42 AM 
Started by WPM - Last post by Yurysprudentsiya

I always enjoy your posts on this forum.  Some of them don't click with me but others of them make me think.  I'm glad you're around.

But I agree that the best thing of all would be for you to attend an Orthodox parish as regularly as you can.  I know it isn't easy, but as often as possible would be a good thing.

 on: Today at 10:15:48 AM 
Started by Nicene - Last post by TheTrisagion
Well, before the Fall, God walked with man in the garden, so He already was here, communing with us apparently in some sort of corporeal form. Obviously, he wouldn't have needed to die on the cross if there was no sin; that wouldn't make any sense, but God would have still been present on the earth in some sort of real, tangible form continuously.

 on: Today at 10:14:59 AM 
Started by Christos3 - Last post by Yurysprudentsiya
From personal experience, I can state that many Ukrainian parishes (but not all) kneel during the Consecration as well as during the Our Father.

Some also ring bells or chimes at the Words of Institution, and possibly at the Epiclesis as well.

And it is customary to peal the bells for the Hymn to the Mother of God.  Standing outside a Ukrainian parish and listening to the bells, one can often have a pretty good idea of how far along the Liturgy is.

 on: Today at 10:14:13 AM 
Started by Alpo - Last post by J Michael
Amazing how a thread on which newspapers you read somehow elevated itself into a knockabout toilet humour thread. Left me feeling quite flushed.  Shocked

You've been for some time and you're still suprised? This is OC.net. An internet forum filled with bored men. Of course it turns into toiket humour.

Are there no bored women here?!?!?!?!?

Hi there.


This is indeed encouraging.

 on: Today at 10:13:51 AM 
Started by Nicene - Last post by JoeS2
I think the answer is yes.

I agree, our priest some years ago explained that there would have been an Incarnation regardless of the fall of man, but I'll be darned if I can think of his answer right now.

 on: Today at 10:12:49 AM 
Started by Gamliel - Last post by J Michael
And it's scratch free!!!

 on: Today at 10:11:22 AM 
Started by Maria - Last post by TheTrisagion

The 23-year-old Halifax man was snorkelling in Spanish Ship Bay, near Sherbrooke, with a couple of friends, when one of them looked down and noticed an animal of generous proportions with reddish-brown fur following them.


“I quickly realized it could only be a beaver,” once he recognized the animal’s markings, including buck teeth and a distinctly paddle-shaped tail, he said.
Are there bird and bees in this story or was the beaver attempting a euphemistic mating ritual with the snorkelers?  Wink

 on: Today at 10:09:19 AM 
Started by Maria - Last post by TheTrisagion
Can you find any information or updates on the status of Orthodoxy in South Africa? ... Wondering, thanks.

Official status: non-existent
I thought there was a bishopric under Alexandria down there somewhere.

EDIT: Here it is. Not very big, but there are some parishes.


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