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 on: Today at 03:33:37 PM 
Started by andrewlya - Last post by andrewlya
Hi all,

What is going on in newly established Islamic State (Islamic Caliphate) nowadays is truly horrific, the attrocities that are committed by ISIS are barbaric the least to say, but Muslims say that Islam is a religion of peace. That that's not what Quran teaches...they say that they are not true Muslims etc but how can they not be if they are so devout to Allah, are they really not real Muslims and do you think that Islam is a religous of peace hijacked by extreme Islamists like ISIS?

By the way, why often do Muslim extrimists behead their enemies? 

Change things through education outreach ... For example, I don't see anybody on the forum doing Outreach and offering educational support for misunderstandings about Islam.

How can it be a mis-understanding? If this book is full of hatred to Jews and other kuffar. Quran produces these fundamentalists, I can't call them fundamentalists, maybe they are realy Muslims as they follow Quran as it commands.

 on: Today at 03:31:53 PM 
Started by andrewlya - Last post by andrewlya
I find exegesis in the Study Bible interpreted very spiritually, or sometimes even philosophically I'd say.

 on: Today at 03:31:48 PM 
Started by dhinuus - Last post by Mor Ephrem
the few times I've been made to feel less than welcome was by the guy who something else a year and a half ago.

LOL.  I know what you're talking about. 

It's okay though.  It must be tough slogging through the whole "Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox...I'm home!" thing and then finding out there's also...US!  Grin

In all seriousness, I agree.  Such people have changed so much that it must be frustrating to think you've finally made it home and then there's another option.  It's probably easier to believe we are godless heretics than to "start all over again".  I can sympathise.   

 on: Today at 03:27:37 PM 
Started by andrewlya - Last post by andrewlya
I am realy surprised ...

Just read your Bible (or a Jewish one, for that matter).

... and still not convinced at the reasons as to why they don't follow their own Moses's Law?

Israel was a group of human beings. We don't need "reasons" to stray from founding law -- human nature is enough reason.

I mean Muslims follow it, but the Jews don't?

Now I am the one who is "really surprised." No, Muslims do not observe Torah, either as it is recorded or in the rabbinic fashions -- where did you get such information?

They don't eat swine, they stone for adultery and blasphemy etc which were the Laws given by God in the O.T.


Read that and the next 26 chapters, and I'll give you your next assignment.
Coincidently, Im reading the Bible from the start and I come across a lot of God's commands in some of them God says to follow them throughout your generations...so that's why I wonder, if God means forever, then why Jews suddenly stopped following the what Mosses had revealed to them..

 on: Today at 03:23:50 PM 
Started by andrewlya - Last post by andrewlya
It seems to me in an ultimate sense we are not allowed at all to fight back but I can't think it a sin to, say for instance, defend your home or country from an invader.

It's not a question of whether or not to defend ourselves and others against evil aggression. The question is how do we defend ourselves and others? Our Lord and His disciples and apostles showed us how: we offer up our own lives if necessary, but we never, ever kill. Are we holier than Christ and His disciples, that we should presume that our violence is a more Christian method of confronting evil than their nonviolent self-sacrifice?


But is it a sin to kill someone who has invaded your home and is threatening your family? It may not be good, but is it evil? I do not believe it is.

It is not the same as murder, but it is still considered a sin. The Church teaches that all killing is sinful, even accidental killing.

Also, we must remember that as Christians we do not live to preserve temporal existence at all costs. We do not live by the ethos of pragmatism which dictates "by any means necessary." We live by the truth that Christ has conquered sin and death, and therefore if our nonviolent self-sacrificial efforts to defend our families are not successful in this world, they will be successful eternally. God will avenge all innocent murder and receive all innocent victims into His loving embrace. But if we kill the evildoer, then we have robbed him of the opportunity of repentance. And our duty as Christians is to lead people to eternal life, not send them to eternal death.


As far as I can see at the momemnt, (removed - Mor). Are Christians really not allowed to defend their families and land if worse comes to worse?

Edited to remove political comments.  Mor.

 on: Today at 03:22:56 PM 
Started by Elijah - Last post by kelly

Vesper Bells, by Carlos Schwabe

I find this both beautiful and oddly eerie.

 on: Today at 03:22:43 PM 
Started by gregorik - Last post by Ekdikos
Hello all, I'm a total newbie on this very lively and intriguing forum, but I haven't seen any self-introductory topics, so I figured I'll just ask away here as my first post.

I'm a 38 years old Hungarian male, presently working as a dubbing/subtitling manager at a Budapest film institute. I've had a rocky life, been traveling all over the map from Cuba to Singapore. In fact, I was knee-deep into a very secular lifestyle until I found Christ some years ago. Then I joined a Reformed church, but found it overall shallow while spending several months there, and finally I've turned to Orthodoxy.
Good to see you returned t faith of your fathers. Wellcome back. Smiley

I have a Serbian surname (Gregorik), but I'm much more deeply interested in the Greek (Palamite) faith than the Serbian variety.
Well... there is no Serbian variety... Palamism is official teaching of both Serbian Church and EP... which are in full communion, and Greeks living in Serbia are part of SOC, and Serbs in Greece of Church of Greece... think about local Churches as local branches...

I would like to hear your opinions on this matter: do you think that becoming an Orthodox monk (in or outside Athos) is a viable option today, what are some of the difficulties it would involve, and what would you advise or relate to me as a start. Thank you in advance.

There are hundreds of them... of course it is viable, but please do not be rush. It is serious step, for entire life. You need to understand what is required from one Athonite monk, or any Orthodox monk for that matter.

 on: Today at 03:18:05 PM 
Started by dhinuus - Last post by Antonious Nikolas
Also, there's a definite difference in my experience between "Arab" Antiochians and "American" Antiochians.  I've never approached the Arab priest at the local Arab parish about receiving Communion (I don't really go there too often), but every other Antiochian parish I've attended has been of the "American" sort (or at least has had an "American" priest), and I've always felt more welcome among the OCA than among them, whether or not communing was an option.  "Arabs", on the other hand, have always been more welcoming, more "OO are also Orthodox", etc. 

I was biting my tongue, but this. ^

You're right.  I've had the blessing of being in personal contact with a lot of Arab Antiochians of late and to a man (or woman), including the priests, their attitude has been "You're Orthodox.  Do you want to receive today?".  While the same has also been true from some of the "American" (read: Anglo) priests (especially those who are theologians, or who've been in the Church a long time), the few times I've been made to feel less than welcome was by the guy who something else a year and a half ago.  It's okay though.  It must be tough slogging through the whole "Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox...I'm home!" thing and then finding out there's also...US!  Grin

 on: Today at 03:16:35 PM 
Started by The Fool - Last post by dzheremi
Not at all. That's beautiful. By Byzantine style knock-offs I meant things patterned after Our Lady of Czestochowa and the like -- the modern Catholic attempts at Byzantine art, some of which were showcased in the Shlock Icons thread of yore.

 on: Today at 03:12:25 PM 
Started by EY - Last post by EY
Wait a minute,

The New Testament Canon is a matter of doctrine. So if you have Church Fathers completely rejecting as false writings books such as the Apocalypse of John, James, Hebrews, 2nd & 3rd John, 2 Peter, and then calling the Shepherd of Hermas inspired, and other accepting these books, you have a fundamental disagreement concerning doctrine, and this was not settled until the church made a decision. This would be an example of doctrinal development, where a good portion of the Church has to do an about face to what they formerly held. So why wouldn't this line of reasoning work with Papal supremacy/infallibility, for a good portion of the Church accepted it, and the other did not and was required to repent.

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