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Apparently, he's now "Fr. Macarius"

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I have encountered a number of Copts who 'flee' into the Byzantine world to flee from discipline.  Looks like we have another case, given the photo.

Often though they're being disciplined for teaching Orthodoxy, or just falsely accused. I hope those continue to find a home.

That's a very serious accusation, and every Coptic diocesan bishop I know of has been strictly Orthodox (HG Youssef of the Southern US, HG Serapion of Los Angeles, HG Abanoub of Muqattam, to name a few).  Fr. Atef Azis was obviously, lets be frank, a heretic, and every other case Ive heard of where the Coptic Church has deposed someone or otherwise cut ties, it has been for a very good reason.  If there is a specific case of someone getting the sack for preaching Orthodoxy in the Coptic Church that is eating you, please post a thread on it, or link us to such threads; I think that would be more charitable than basically bashing the Holy Synod en passant*.   That may not have been your intention, but your post read that way to me; this priest has been correctly removed.

*"In passing" in French.

So he's still in the OCA? The OCA sponsors his mission?

Fortunately, not.  See this article: https://tcopt.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/father-seraphim/

He is not a priest in the OCA,    He apparently spent some time living in the monastery of St. John of San Francisco where he was tonsured a rassaphore, and he now lives in Phoenix, where he occasionally attends, as a layman, an OCA mission parish. 

If he is penitent I am not surprised if the OCA does grant him some form of monastic "shelter," similiar to the very gracious and proper way they received Archbishop Lazar Puhalo as a retired titular bishop, taking care to enjoin him from teaching on certain topics like human sexuality against the settled doctrine of the Church.  I think the OCA deserves a lot of credit for how they have handled painful situations of personal failure like that.

But we can rest assured that the OCA is not supporting a person anathematized by the Coptic church in spreading a heresy they anathematize as much as we do.  They would not do that; I can't imagine the OCA sponsoring a deposed Coptic priest and setting him up in a mission parish with a blessing to solicit Coptic converts with Pentecostal / neo-Gnostic / Chiliast worship.  A lot of people like to criticize the OCA, and there have been some problems and controversies, but let us grant them some credit.  He has "shelter."  I believe if he starts causing problems for the Coptic Church, a phone call between HG Serapion, who I have met and much admire, and HG Benjamin, who I have not met but have interacted with indirectly, and who I also admire greatly, would be sufficient to fix the problem.

Edit: updated ro reflect the exact status of Fr. Seraphim in the OCA.
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Lord have mercy.
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No fan of Jan or TBN , still I have to say, Lord Have Mercy!
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Religious Topics / Re: Being gay and Christianity.
« Last post by Musashi on Yesterday at 11:51:24 PM »
If I may tell you that I have a gay brother who commit adultery as his profession.
He doesn't believe in God (yet) but I believe that God loves him. He ever asked to me about what is the prespective of my faith against 'people like him'.
And I simply replied that both gay person and heterosexual person are the sinners. No one is holy except God, Holy Mother and all Saints.
Church is a place for the sinners to beg the mercy of God. A place for starting the repentation. "Seven times falls down eight times gets up". Church is not a place for people who thinks they are holy.
Through the church we can get the meaning of life and its beauty just like what I feel.
The last time I met him he asked me what Christian name appropriate for him if he is Christian.
I just hope that question comes from his heart.


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Religious Topics / Re: Being gay and Christianity.
« Last post by JamesRottnek on Yesterday at 11:44:03 PM »
If we say that the change comes about through divine grace received through repentance and the Holy Mysteries, yes.  We repent because God provides us with the grace allowing us to recognize our sins and repent of it; 

The idea that anyone can attain such a state of perfection that they no longer require divine grace, was anathematized at the Council of Orange in the ancient period. 

It sounds to me like we are sinners, and we will remain sinners till we die.  Trying to create a hierarchy of sinners or sins seems rather pointless, in that context.

If we was all sinners, then we all must go to hell.
God say: Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Umm.....where did you get the idea that we aren't all sinners?  Paul called himself the chief of sinners.  Is he in hell?

I think what Daedelus said is we ARE all the sinners and still remain the sinners until we die. But it doesn't mean trying to make hierarchy of sinners because ther human nature is already the sinner. But we don't legitimate the sins in our life. That's why we are saying Jesus prayer in the whole of our life.

I wasn't responding to Daedelus.  I was responding to Indocern, who said that if we were all sinners, we'd all go to hell.

Yes, I think you refuted previous statement...at the end. #sorry for my language barrier  :)

Ok, I see.  And no worries; I actually figured that I might not have crossed the language barrier, so you didn't get what I was trying to say the first time.
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So he's still in the OCA? The OCA sponsors his mission?
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The Coptic Orthodox hierarchs of North America, including Metropolitan Serapion, have published an important Pastoral Message concerning the heretical movement of Atef Aziz, who has taken shelter within the jurisdiction of the Orthodox Church in America.

Please read the statement and exercise caution against this new heresy.

Pastoral Message Concerning Atef Aziz

http://lacopts.org/news/pastoral-message-concerning-atef-aziz/
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I'm not a fan of TBN, but this is sad:

SANTA ANA , Calif., May 29 (UPI) -- The Christian faith-based Trinity Broadcasting Network says its co-founder Jan Crouch has suffered a "life threatening stroke."

"Thank you for all your beautiful prayers as we continue to agree together for our precious mother, Jan Crouch," TBN said in a Facebook post Sunday. "We feel the presence of Jesus comforting all of us in the midst of her life threatening stroke. Thank God for His incredible love and for all of you."


More here.
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Religious Topics / Re: Being gay and Christianity.
« Last post by Musashi on Yesterday at 11:31:17 PM »
If we say that the change comes about through divine grace received through repentance and the Holy Mysteries, yes.  We repent because God provides us with the grace allowing us to recognize our sins and repent of it; 

The idea that anyone can attain such a state of perfection that they no longer require divine grace, was anathematized at the Council of Orange in the ancient period. 

It sounds to me like we are sinners, and we will remain sinners till we die.  Trying to create a hierarchy of sinners or sins seems rather pointless, in that context.

If we was all sinners, then we all must go to hell.
God say: Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Umm.....where did you get the idea that we aren't all sinners?  Paul called himself the chief of sinners.  Is he in hell?

I think what Daedelus said is we ARE all the sinners and still remain the sinners until we die. But it doesn't mean trying to make hierarchy of sinners because ther human nature is already the sinner. But we don't legitimate the sins in our life. That's why we are saying Jesus prayer in the whole of our life.

I wasn't responding to Daedelus.  I was responding to Indocern, who said that if we were all sinners, we'd all go to hell.

Yes, I think you refuted previous statement...at the end. #sorry for my language barrier  :)
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