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What about Genesis 4:26 "And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call on the name of the LORD." - pretty much ever translation of this passage besides the ISV, which reads: "And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to profane the name of the Lord." (paraphrased)

The ISV makes more sense, and is more interesting.

Which is to say, "At that time, men began to call on God by the name 'Jehovah' " ("LORD," in small caps, is the traditional way in English to translate YHWH without breaking the old taboos). We won't read of men calling on God by the name YHWH again until He so re-revealed Himself to Moses.
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Non-Religious Topics / Re: Fraternal Organzations
« Last post by TheTrisagion on Yesterday at 11:32:36 PM »
I am a member of Skull and Bones of OC.net. It is very prestigious, but sadly I cannot divulge any further info.
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Oriental Orthodox Discussion / Re: New Coptic Diocese
« Last post by minasoliman on Yesterday at 11:31:29 PM »
I love Fr. Seraphim.  Those states are lucky.  But I have to say, he had a position before where he took care of NJ in his rank.  I'm not sure why they replaced him with HG Bishop Karas, especially since I heard good things.  But suddenly, he was taken back to his mission parish in Hawaii.  The fact that he was given specific states for which a "new diocese" was created seems to me sounding like they are vetting him for the episcopacy in that area.  No one ever said "NJ" is a "new diocese" when he came to us, and we all assumed he would be "general bishop" of the area.

For others who might not know who Fr. Seraphim is, Fr. Seraphim was one of the final five candidates for the Coptic papacy, which is considered a high position of honor after a serious vetting process that weeded out other candidates.
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This is a great idea/story.  I think I have an even better one.

Sts. Barsanuphius & John have a bunch of these kinds of story.  there is on in particular where a young man asked one of the fathers how he could stop the demons from coming into his window and blowing his papers and books around while he was praying.  the fathers told him to not pay attention to the demons and to just pray in stillness in his room.  then he wrote a 2nd time and told them that the other night a tornado of wind came into his room and shook the room and the demons were everywhere!  Then the fathers reminded him that the only power the demons have is the power we give them. to not pay attention and to just refocus on his prayer.  then the young man wrote a 3rd time and told them that this time a hurricane came through his window and move his bed and his chair and all the things in his room!  then the Fathers told him:  son, it is not the demons you should be worried about, go close the window! 

Seems like the same idea...no?

 ;D Love it!
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Religious Topics / Re: Luther- alienation and narcissism?
« Last post by Porter ODoran on Yesterday at 11:26:43 PM »
Yes, I'm interested in a humanistic outline.  I know all about his mental state.

It seems to me Luther was the least humanistic reformer of the bunch, so I'd like to see his humanism spelled out moreso.

But what do you mean by "humanistic"? If this is just a way of describing a sense you have of reformers, then we'd need more information, some kind of definition. What I mean by it is the Humanist School that began just before the Reformation and had its height in the Renaissance. Martin Luther was intellectually a disciple of Erasmus. It is Erasmus that developed, for example, the Sola Gratia. To Erasmus, it was incidentally a theological matter -- he was more interested in it as a social and psychological theory that could finally free academics such as himself from the micro-management of the church.
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Religious Topics / Re: Luther- alienation and narcissism?
« Last post by Porter ODoran on Yesterday at 11:20:57 PM »
I have no objection with the discussion being here.  Whether in this forum or in the Orthodox-Other Christian forum, the rules in both sections are the same.  If you still feel this needs to be moved, let me know through reporting or PM.

Mina


Surely this is the subforum for it. My response was to the original post's statement that Lutherans characterize Luther thus-and-so -- that that opinion just cannot be expected to have legs outside Protestant circles. After all, even the most questionable sects all have their special view of their founders.
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Non-Religious Topics / Re: Fraternal Organzations
« Last post by minasoliman on Yesterday at 11:15:07 PM »
Tau Beta Pi (engineering honor society) had a secret ceremony  :-\ and I get their magazine, but I do nothing with them otherwise.
I could probably join the Polish Union of America, or the rebel upstarts and bitter rivals the Polish Union of the United States of North America  :D
yea that's unfortunate
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Religious Topics / Re: Luther- alienation and narcissism?
« Last post by Daedelus1138 on Yesterday at 11:07:13 PM »
I come from a reformed Calvinist background with Lutheran leanings, and I still interact with many Lutherans at the Evangelical Seminary I attend, and I'd say your observations are pretty spot on regarding attitudes.   This also depends on what flavor of Lutheran you're talking to.   Do you know if the pastor is ELCA, LCMS or LCWS?   This makes a huge difference in worldview.

Conservative ELCA from an LCMS childhood.  I'm not sure what caused him to join the ELCA, maybe the stuff around Seminex.  I know he is not fond of the current LCMS, which he calls "fundamentalist".  But he's still on the conservative wing of the church.
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Protestants on the whole don't think about that passage much.  Maybe the more educated and less dogmatic and freethinking contemplate those sorts of things.  I just got done reading a book called Revising Old Scratch by a Church of Christ pastor talking about the "Harrowing of Hell", but on the whole it's not something the average Protestant thinks about.

Protestantism emerged when western people were so terrified of an immediate fate of heaven or hell after death that they wanted to know exactly where they were going when they died.

I grew up Methodist and attended a conservative, baptisty bible study as a teenager.  Can you believe I thought that David and other old testament saints were still in Hell?  It was just never a topic that came up to be discussed.  Everything was about individual salvation, and if it wasn't relevant, it wasn't discussed.
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