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 on: Today at 04:14:55 AM 
Started by Eleos - Last post by AntonI
What an unfortunate thread title...

"Bummed" has a totally different meaning in the UK.

 on: Today at 03:28:34 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by wainscottbl
But they did!  Tongue

 on: Today at 03:04:08 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by Arachne
Anyone who doesn't like the direction a thread is going is free to put on some big boy/girl pants and stop posting on it. We're all adults here, and 'But they started it!' doesn't fly.

 on: Today at 02:53:07 AM 
Started by Saint Iaint - Last post by wainscottbl
Very moving. Seeing a grown man (Patriarch Kirill?) weeping like that is moving. Beautiful and eternal memory to His Holiness.


 on: Today at 02:27:23 AM 
Started by Ebor - Last post by Gebre Menfes Kidus



 on: Today at 02:14:23 AM 
Started by quietmorning - Last post by Mor Ephrem
Today was the first time in nearly a year that I've been able to get back to some hint of my prayer rule. . . and for the first time in ages, my soul feels the warmth and love of the Holy Spirit in His comfort. 

What do you notice as being better when you are able to pray consistently?

I wish I could say "my soul feels the warmth and love of the Holy Spirit in His comfort".  Whenever I feel something I think approaches that, I wonder if it is for real or if I'm just tricking myself into believing that because of all the "God stuff" I'm saying and doing. 

When I am able to pray consistently, the one thing I notice in terms of improvement is my thoughts: they are less scattered, more focused.  And that carries over into my words and actions as well.  When I don't pray consistently, whether in terms of frequency or quality, I'm much more "all over the place". 

I always find that if there are days when I have to hit the ground running praying my morning rule while I'm in the car helps a lot

I know of people who do this, or who pray while walking/exercising.  Whenever I've tried this, I've found it to be frustrating.  I cannot concentrate in the same way I can when in church or in front of my icons.  Either I'm more or less reciting/repeating words almost by rote or I'm concentrating enough that I can't pay the necessary attention while driving or walking or whatever.  Is there a way to get better at this?  Or is it something that only certain types of people can do?  Or is there some value to this sort of rote prayer? 

 on: Today at 02:13:46 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by wainscottbl
BTW, I remove my request regarding closing the thread. Things seem to have calmed down. We are now having a civil disagreement. I can deal with that. But earlier it was really hostile. Not that I was not a part of that but I just was thinking it was not really going anywhere. Eventually I am sure this thread will die out or digress into something else like whether dogs or cats or better.

 on: Today at 02:10:20 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by wainscottbl

Is this a condoning of kidnapping?  Lord have mercy....

Neither. So Lord have mercy on you. You are not looking at first principles. It's important to see the thing in and of itself. In short A does no equal B. Both may be the same in genus, but they are different species.

What is A's relation to B?

They are letters but they are different letters. One is a vowel for example, one a consonant. So slavery is different I think than (for the sake of argument) immoral act of mail order brides.

Slavery (A) is immoral because you are owning another person and forcing them into work, sex, etc.

Mail order brides (B) is immoral because it makes marriage into something that is entered into on superficial even rash grounds. Also it is very likely based on sensual rather than proper pious reasons.

But A is not the same as B except that they are immoral but in different ways.

But my opinion is that mail order brides are not evil but morally indifferent. It can be immoral but there is no evil in itself. Women used to be married off to men for political reasons. Was that, per se, immoral? She was not being given as a sex slave but a wife. So a person "ordering" a bride is not being sold but the expenses are payed for. The man is choosing to find a woman in that way, even if it is not exactly the best way. What's immoral about it in itself? I mean they really could love each other, no? One does get to know the person before they buy at least to some degree. Besides the bride is the one who puts herself on the site. No one forces her to. And she is a wife. It is a marriage. Maybe a strange one, but it's just not slavery. But again if it is immoral it is not slavery.

 on: Today at 02:00:50 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by Mor Ephrem
Buying a sex slave is essentially what mail-order brides are. The patriarch of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church has called the practice an offense against Christ.

Who is that? 

 on: Today at 01:58:53 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by Mor Ephrem
I am pretty tired of the bad attitudes and bad behavior being let fly on this board. Would it be okay to act that way in church? Then it shouldn't be okay to act that way here.

To be fair, if that standard really applied across the board, there would be a lot less kitteh videos being linked to and discussed/recommended on OCNet.

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