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 on: Today at 02:07:06 AM 
Started by Bob2 - Last post by Peacemaker
I recently came back from a three week trip to St. Anthony's Monastery in Arizona and they also have a jammer installed. I think it's the greatest thing because if you need to use your phone you have to walk off the monastery grounds.
So what happens if a guest has a heart attack during monastery services? Are you supposed to rush off monastery grounds to call 9-1-1? That scenario is one of the reasons why the use of a cell phone jammer is illegal in the USA. I would imagine that law applies even to the grounds of a monastery.

There are land lines all over the monastery and certain monks have cell phones and you can turn off jammers.

 on: Today at 01:49:20 AM 
Started by Pravoslavac - Last post by Georgii
Вечная память!

 on: Today at 01:48:28 AM 
Started by fibonacci - Last post by fibonacci
But when you open the hadiths, and compare them with versers and chapters in the quran you will realise that ISIS, Al qaeda, boko haram etc are those who are the real muslims.

These groups do NOT seem to be followers of Ahlul Bayt.

 on: Today at 01:43:22 AM 
Started by Pravoslavac - Last post by IXOYE
Lord, have mercy!

 on: Today at 01:41:15 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by Minnesotan
When I was in Italy I saw a lot of Catholic churches and I didn't get the overall impression that they, with the possible exception of some medieval ones, were dark or scary.

A few of them, in fact, seemed almost saccharine or "too heavenly". The kind of church that makes you want to sing this.

As an aside, that song fairly accurately describes a worry I had as a kid, which is that heaven would be boring. You have to realize that in many evangelical churches, any sense of mystery, wonder, or adventure is completely gone.* Churches are plain, simple, and utilitarian; so are Bibles**, so is worship, so is theology. God is often anthropomorphized, as a result of the "personal relationship" thing.

If heaven (or the new earth, what have you) is like that, it's not much to look forward to, is it? That's why I didn't want to grow up, grow old, or die, because then I'd be stuck in a boring heaven for eternity.

Fortunately I don't feel that way anymore. Visiting cathedrals, becoming aware of Catholic and Orthodox spirituality, listening to lots of different kinds of music, and even reading about subjects like quantum mechanics and fractal geometry all cured that old worry I used to have.

*  The one exception is Pentecostalism, but a heaven full of people doing a lot of that stuff would also be hard to look forward to!

**  Tim Challies is a rather hotheaded Calvinist pastor who once wrote a blog post praising the Book of Kells as an example of the spiritual talent the West had before the "traditions of men" (Catholicism) took over. I just had to chuckle when I read that, because Calvinism has never produced anything like the Book of Kells.

 on: Today at 01:28:15 AM 
Started by Pravoslavac - Last post by Volnutt
Man, that must be scary living and worshiping there. I hope the Christian influence does some good.

This church is not accessible to North Koreans (unless things have changed recently). I am not going to post in News. Do a search on North Korea from the main forum page. It remains to be seen whether this church will end up being a major embarrassment for the Russian Orthodox Church in the future.
Oh  Sad

Considering that NK has the world's worst persecution of Christians, I highly doubt that Kim Jong Il genuinely admired Orthodoxy. In their propaganda campaign, the Kim dynasty have portrayed themselves as godlike figures.

It sounds more like a Potemkin church, merely built to curry favor with the Russians. But maybe I'm just being cynical.

It's kind of like how Islamic countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia will point to their tiny Christian and Jewish communities as evidence of their "tolerance", while conveniently downplaying the fact that religious minorities in those countries are second-class citizens under the law and are routinely arrested if they don't "behave".

 on: Today at 01:22:27 AM 
Started by JamesR - Last post by Mor Ephrem
Those are beautiful churches.


 on: Today at 01:22:12 AM 
Started by Justin Kissel - Last post by recent convert
I am sorry that I have nothing to offer; the linked article is interesting. What is fascinating is that the books of Enoch & Jubilees are always in the canon but never referred to either way in lists that affirm the canon.

 on: Today at 01:16:53 AM 
Started by eddybear - Last post by recent convert
Discernment is what is important not judging other Christians. A generation or so ago, "mainline" Protestantism would have been reasonably represented by such varied (& yet not extremely so) individuals from C.S. Lewis to Bill Graham. Now basic things like the 10 commandments, marriage, human sexuality, the (acceptably Orthodox) Apostles' Creed etc. are in chaos in much of Protestantism. This is a tragedy & we must feel for those who try to maintain a form of traditional Christian faith. The Orthodox Church is often unable to fill the vacuum in western societies.

 on: Today at 01:15:35 AM 
Started by Volnutt - Last post by Volnutt

Also, to justify the "image" itself, we have to see the whole enchilada of how they are used in the EO church.  Bowed to, served, blessed, incense burned in front of, venerated, prayed to and believed to magically "transmit" veneration
I already told you why your idea of "transmission" is incorrect. Is God not powerful enough to let the Saints know about these things? When you die, do you want to be cut off from all knowledge of what your friends and relations are doing? I sure don't.

and prayers to saints that is assumed to be in heaven and assumed that they can hear.
Why does it have to be an assumption? Why can't the Holy Spirit let the Church know? Do you hate Sts. Cyril and Constantine so much that you would bar them from repentance and reconciliation with God?

If the apologetics could give me leeway on the image going --> way, then the liturgical usage squashes the apologetics of the image back <-- way.   We have to see in context of HOW they are used as well, to see if the apologetics stand for just the image itself.

It obviously clarifies the commandment of God that man can't handle an image in any form of worship as they will end up bowing to and serving them.
You didn't answer my responses to your points in my previous posts. Hopefully those will help some.

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