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Other Topics / Re: Picture of the Day
« Last post by Volnutt on Today at 03:28:04 AM »
ATOMICS!
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Other Topics / Re: Video of the Day
« Last post by Volnutt on Today at 03:25:59 AM »
Some interview from the 70s with a woman who was one the 144,000 Jehovah's Witness... until she got disfellowshipped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=4qg2-aDS9PM
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And interesting little blurb on the prophecies of St. Paisios http://www.eschatologia.com/2015/11/what-spiritual-father-from-sinai-says.html
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Christian News / Re: Rev. Billy Graham has died
« Last post by Volnutt on Today at 03:22:31 AM »
Sorry, that's what I meant by "inclusivism."

Were you being sarcastic or do they really like Orthodoxy lol?
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Christian News / Re: Rev. Billy Graham has died
« Last post by ttcmacro on Today at 02:01:14 AM »
Memory Eternal!

Sadly, it looks like the Pulpit and Pen guys wasted no time responding to Mr. Graham's death.

I'm scared to ask what they wrote...


Something about religious inclusivism, I imagine.

Oh the just the typical P&P stuff....that he was too friendly to Catholicism, and that he believed that those that were not Christian due to never hearing of Christ could be saved. Just for fun, I would love to send them that picture of Billy Graham with Metropolitan Hilarion, given their deep admiration of Orthodoxy. 
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Still the question what a real Christian is. Sure the white traditional are not Christian ;D
If someone is doing charity and try to spread the word of Christ and live in Christ Iwill say to him you are not cChristian because you are not respected the old form of liturgy.

That's got nothing to do with it. The Holy Ghost goes where He will and God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy.

This isn't about saying whether anybody will be saved or damned. It's about what's correct and reverent. There have to be some standards other than the worship leader's vague feelings about what's "spirit lead" (otherwise, why not sing "Jesus Right Round?")

The traditional Orthodox services may not be perfect, but they're still good standards that have stood the test of time (Proverbs 22:28).

The proverb is part of religion Christianity is the end of religion.

Define "religion?" The New Covenant puts the end to the old requirements of the Jewish law, but that doesn't mean there are no customs or standards. Pretty sure that several of the Fathers quoted that proverb to mean hewing to tradition.

The standard exist in the meaning.for exemple we can say that some music can lead to transcandancy and some not. So the use of a musical instruments is not a problem in itself.

And who defines what does or doesn't lead to transcendence? I'm sure the "Jesus Right Round" guy thought he was promoting transcendence, as do the Vineyard people who bark like dogs or practice "holy laughter." The fact that you or I might think we can imagine a proper, reverent Orthodox context with instruments does not remove the need for extreme caution on the part of the bishops because of the abuses and shallowness that can and does occur in these contexts despite the best intentions of their promoters.

I mean Copts do use cymbals and sometimes a triangle during our worship. Some Greek parishes use an organ. So instruments are not non-existent in Orthodoxy. But I agree that caution does need to be taken.

Well, organs are not uncontroversial, but point taken. I don't see a problem with instruments in general in a non-liturgical context like an Ethiopian mezmur. I just don't think it's generally a good idea to use them in worship just because of that principle of caution.

With Coptic chant, sometimes even liturgical hymns when recorded outside Liturgy are sung with different instruments. Youtube search Coptic Chant and youll see what i mean. I'm not fond of that honestly. I wish they would record liturgical hymns as they would be sung in Liturgy. Right now I don't mind the cymbals and triangle too much as long as they are not overpowering the human voice.

Oh, I know. I guess for my taste it depends on what the arrangement does to the chant exactly, but I agree in general as a capella as possible would be best.

Can I just vent about how upset this makes me. Like Je Nai Nan is one of my favorite Liturgical Hymns. Can we please keep Liturgical hymns... Liturgical? Also I'm sorry but the fact that one of the guys performing this is Muslim kinda makes my frustration worse.

Feels kind of "try-hard" to me. Can't say I'm a fan. I've heard one electronic keyboard version of a Malankara hymn that I thought was ok, but I guess I tend to take a "go big or go home" attitude to it. If you're going to go all out like Rachmaninoff and make it pure theater, ok, but that link just seems like a limp half measure.

For reference, it's supposed to sound like this. (That is only one person. Usually it's sung by the priest alone then the whole congregation)

A lot better.
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Christian News / Re: Rev. Billy Graham has died
« Last post by Volnutt on Today at 01:11:42 AM »
Memory Eternal!

Sadly, it looks like the Pulpit and Pen guys wasted no time responding to Mr. Graham's death.

I'm scared to ask what they wrote...

Something about religious inclusivism, I imagine.
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Christian News / Re: Rev. Billy Graham has died
« Last post by Volnutt on Today at 01:11:05 AM »
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”" With 25milion in your account you sure need lots of prayers.

You really are a wonderful human being, aren't you?
the guy also wanted to kill a million Vietnamese . I'm assuming it's fine with you.

I don't think he wanted to, unless you're referring to some specific quote. If that's what it took to stop Communism, and in his view prevent greater suffering, then he evidently thought it was worth it (which makes his praise of Kim Il-Sung all the more puzzling to me).

Politics is messy and nobody can have clean hands 100% of the time.
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Other Topics / Re: Random Postings
« Last post by Asteriktos on Today at 12:49:21 AM »
So according to the 'Stats' section there have been 40 new members on the forum in February... yet according to the 'Members' section there hasn't been a new member since Jan. 27th ???
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Orthodox Family Forum / Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Last post by minasoliman on Today at 12:41:25 AM »
I'm going to provide two links, one from the FDA and one from the CDC. 

https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#bib
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/publications.html

This is the literature on thimerosal that seems to suggest there is NO association between thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders.  So, I do not know why some papers suggest it.

Furthermore, studies have also shown we get more mercury from tuna and salmon than from vaccines, and it's not the safe kind of mercury either.  But there is something called a "safe limit", which is an actual thing in our environment today.

So, if you are worried about thimerosal, the only vaccine that has it is the flu vaccine.  To avoid the Hep B vaccine is nonsensical because it was never about the Hep B vaccine.  It was about thimerosal.
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