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Orthodox Family Forum / Re: Pre-marriage Relationships
« Last post by Agabus on Yesterday at 11:46:26 PM »
I don't know the customs of Greece, but I can say that by American standards, if you don't even at least kiss before a marriage, then you're probably a weirdo who will die alone.

You're getting that from the crowd who'd say if you don't sleep around you're a weirdo. Or if you don't experiment with other sexes, you're a weirdo. Or if you're against abortion, you're a weirdo. Of if you don't modify your body, you're a weirdo. So I'm not sure you thought this advice thru. Meanwhile, thousands of young people eager to be as cool as you think you are -- are still alone.

Porter, stay in the United States and try to date a chick for a year and then marry her. But attach these conditions: Don't hold hands until marriage. Don't kiss her before marriage. Don't have sex before marriage. I'm fairly certain you can find someone who will be willing to abide by the third condition. As for the former two, you will probably find no one. And whoever you find, well it will be a sight to see what sort of person they are.

I know these people.

In fact, if you allow for hand holding, I know multiple people whose first kiss was on the wedding altar.

And yeah, they're kind of strange...But they do exist.

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Other Topics / Re: Mormonism vs Islam: Which do you dislike more?
« Last post by Hawkeye on Yesterday at 11:41:31 PM »
I've been on a real Mormonism kick recently. Where Protestants rejected history, Mormons invented it out of whole cloth. Their religion is fascinating stuff.

As soon as it poured out of the Arabian Peninsula, Islam assumed its position as the premier enemy of Christendom. Maybe it will climb off that pedestal some day but that day isn't here yet.

Neither should be classified as Christian.
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Convert Issues / Re: Hit a Spiritual Wall
« Last post by Agabus on Yesterday at 11:40:48 PM »
His last post, which was fairly recent, indicated he's at least still attending church with his fiancee.
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Other Topics / Re: Don't Ask Your Priest
« Last post by Agabus on Yesterday at 11:39:29 PM »
A rudder is what you use to steer a boat.  For the average person, The Rudder is far less useful, unless you just want to argue.

It could well be used to steer a boat.
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Other Topics / Re: Mormonism vs Islam: Which do you dislike more?
« Last post by Agabus on Yesterday at 11:36:05 PM »
When there is a Mormon State in the United States (or Syria/Levant, flavour du jour), I will dislike Mormonism more.  Until then, they'r just the young missionaries I give water to and freak them out with icons.

Utah. That's where the Mormon HQ is, and the famous Salt Lake City temple is there. Mormons are more numerous than actual Christians in Utah, claiming about 60% of the population.

The real Mormons are headquartered in Independence, Mo. ;)
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Slavic Languages / Re: Icon translation
« Last post by RaphaCam on Yesterday at 11:04:03 PM »
Did you translate that yourself, Rapha? If so, what source did you use?
No, it's a Cambridge translation from the Laurentian text, you can easily find a PDF, but I don't think the forum rules allow these links. I really liked it, so I posted it here so it would be saved somewhere.  :P
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Other Topics / Re: Mormonism vs Islam: Which do you dislike more?
« Last post by Jetavan on Yesterday at 10:56:30 PM »
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
and Islam?

I dislike Green Jell-O Salad more than I do hummus.
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Slavic Languages / Re: Icon translation
« Last post by Hawkeye on Yesterday at 10:42:01 PM »
Did you translate that yourself, Rapha? If so, what source did you use?
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That might be true but that doesn't explain why some Christians today doesn't seem to understand that being gay in itself is not any kind of issue.

Good point.

Oddly enough, just a little earlier today the thought popped into my head that for some fundamentalists the question is not so much whether gay Christians need to be celibate, or even whether it's okay for them to come out of the closet, but whether they should exist at all.

Very accurate. That's the crux of the controversy in Evangelical circles right now. The celibate solution, where it's even known, isn't being seriously entertained by either side.
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Other Topics / Re: Mormonism vs Islam: Which do you dislike more?
« Last post by RaphaCam on Yesterday at 10:01:56 PM »
Not really the Brazilian case, where it's basically former Protestants. Maybe it's their da'wah method here.
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