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 on: Today at 03:41:44 PM 
Started by Superior Practices - Last post by Porter ODoran
Justin's and Len's posts are evidencing pretty well what the phrase often amounts to in more academic or pop-academic circles -- a have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too post-modern Christian theology. More recent phrases that occupy a similar Christian headspace might be "embrace the paradox" and "live in the tension."

 on: Today at 03:40:42 PM 
Started by Ai - Last post by Anna.T
God grants us special graces to help us and I think this happens to everyone, it happened to me as well. Be alert though, there will come times when you will feel dryness in prayer, you won't want to read your bible or go to Church or fast or do anything related to God. You'll question your faith and want to have "fun" in the world. My priest calls this despair, and it's a living hell. It feels like God has abandoned you. My priest says this is a test of God, to see if we truly want to love Him and repent. It's like when a parent will walk away from there young child to see if the child will call out for their parent. As soon as you feel this way you need to RUN to your priest and confess these things. For some, and I can contest to this myself because I've been there (happens to me once or twice a year) it can last weeks and it truly sucks because you get this "i don't care" attitude. Even though you know what you are doing is wrong you just don't care and you do it anyway, falling deeper into sin. Despair is a sickness and you need to get help from the doctor (your priest) and take the medicine (confession, prayer rules, other advice) he gives you.

No one warned me of this and I wish they had.

Just wanted to thank you for these thoughts as well. I have experienced it off and on for years (although the way it affects me is different - but I do not want to pray!). I had hoped Orthodoxy might be a "cure" ... But indeed it does still happen. At least the Church has better medicine available, especially once we have been received.

I have a terrible sense it is coming for me again - I had hoped to remain on the heights for a while after my baptism.

Thank you for your post.

 on: Today at 03:40:06 PM 
Started by theorthodoxchurch - Last post by Yurysprudentsiya
Thread Unlocked.

Stay on topic.  Discussion, not debate.

Some of this was patently ridiculous.  Please don't continue to do this in Christian News.


 on: Today at 03:34:50 PM 
Started by gueranger - Last post by Volnutt
Are you ready to continue our conversation, Wandile?

Sorry for not replying. I have been busier than expected. I'll be able to continue by Monday... That's when my schedule eases up. Sorry for the hold up. Please forgive me
It's ok. We're all busy. Take all the time you need Smiley

 on: Today at 03:28:01 PM 
Started by Volnutt - Last post by Volnutt
YIM, I think you really need to need to read that article Minnesotan linked to. It's fascinating Smiley
The curious fact here is that nowhere in the New Testament do we find a teaching, explicit or implied, that the old form of worship has been abolished and replaced by a new order of worship.  One would have to read certain assumptions into the New Testament to reach these conclusions.  Underlying Calvin’s puritanical approach to worship is an early form of JN Darby’s dispensationalism.  Calvin sees a major break between the Old and New covenants including their forms of worship.


Volnutt, read through Yesh's past posts. He is not interesting in learning, only preaching.
I'm familiar with his posting history. I think he's in even more pain than I was when I first came here, both feeling drawn to Orthodoxy but having a crisis of conscience over it at the same time. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and try to help him know the peace I'm coming to on these issues.

 on: Today at 03:25:18 PM 
Started by Orthodox Youth - Last post by Samn!
Seems like one can accuse folks of being bad administrators, like you have here. Seems like a fair criticism.

But when one throws in a "Yeah, and they're shifty Greeks, too!" ...well, that's just racist.

The issue is not that "they're shifty Greeks"... it's that for centuries they have systematically excluded and marginalized non-Greeks! It's not bad administration, it's malicious administration. The Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulcher does not exist to serve the Orthodox Christians in Palestine and Jordan. It only exists to maintain Greek control over pilgrimage sites and the real estate and assets of the Patriarchate.

 on: Today at 03:24:54 PM 
Started by Wandile - Last post by Volnutt

So I agree with St Irenaeus.  But I think St Irenaeus still had a wider context within which he was thinking and writing.       
Or you hope he did because disagreeing with a Church Father is awkward?

No, but thanks for trying.
But how much evidence do you have of this larger context? It does not seem like there is much other than the assumption that St. Irenaeus couldn't have believed in Papal Supremacy.

 on: Today at 03:17:51 PM 
Started by biro - Last post by Antonious Nikolas
Glory to God we have a wise and compassionate Pope.

 on: Today at 03:07:55 PM 
Started by Orthodox Youth - Last post by Rambam
Seems like one can accuse folks of being bad administrators, like you have here. Seems like a fair criticism.

But when one throws in a "Yeah, and they're shifty Greeks, too!" ...well, that's just racist.

 on: Today at 03:05:44 PM 
Started by Volnutt - Last post by Hawkeye
Here's the deal.

The objection to icons isn't because of "what Jesus looked like".  Honestly, I would not even have an issue with icons if they just sat there and looked pretty.

The objection comes into play because it seems so apparent, so defying, and so deliberate in their defiance of the 1st commandment of God.

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 - Matthew 19:16-19 (KJV)

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 - Romans 13:9 (KJV)

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