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I found this from today.

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Agasi Vartanyan stands secluded in a glass enclosure outside a church, 18 days into a 55-day fast to draw attention to the 100th anniversary of the Armenian genocide, in Burbank California, April 20, 2015.

http://www.trust.org/item/20150420235511-xu97y/

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Religious Topics / Re: Old vs. New Calendar?
« Last post by Jonathan Gress on Today at 10:48:52 PM »
Here is Nicephoras Gregoras's proposed adjustment to the paschalion.  The information is taken from Petavius's Uranologion of 1630.  All dates are in the Julian calendar.  The numbering of the years of the 19-year cycle is according to the western count.

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Year Alexandrian paschal Gregoras's proposed
full moon PFM

1 April  5 April  3*
2 March 25 March 23
3 April 13 April 11
4 April  2 March 31
5 March 22 March 20
6 April 10 April  8
7 March 30 March 28
8 April 18 April 16
9 April  7 April  5
10 March 27 March 25
11 April 15 April 13
12 April  4 April  2
13 March 24 March 22
14 April 12 March 10
15 April  1 March 30
16 March 21 March 19
17 April  9 April  7
18 March 29 March 27
19 April 17 April 15

Petavius gives "April 23" here, but this seems to be a mistake, for no lunar calendar could behave in such a way.

Even today your camp could do worse than to adopt Gregoras's adjustments.  It would repair a little of your solar discrepancy, and about half of your lunar discrepancy.

I love how you carry on your own monolog in the midst of everything else. It's quite charming, really.

And I remember reading that Nicephoras' proposals were reviewed and rejected at the time, even though they had nothing to do with the Pope or Papism. It's almost as if for centuries the Church didn't see astronomical accuracy as the most important aspect of the liturgical calendar...
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Religious Topics / Re: Old vs. New Calendar?
« Last post by Mor Ephrem on Today at 10:41:09 PM »
What if Orthodox used the English word "Passover" instead of both "Easter" and "Pascha"?
Because Charles Martel would freak the hell out.
May I presume you agree with me that this is acceptable?   

Passover is the word we use in English to describe the event indicated by the word "Pascha" in the OT and NT. 

But I do think we're making a mountain out of a molehill.  Let people use Pascha, Easter, or Passover.

Aww, but I wanted to watch Charles flip out!!
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Religious Topics / Re: Old vs. New Calendar?
« Last post by вєликаго on Today at 10:38:13 PM »
I fail to see your point? That is not reasonable grounds to replace the word Pascha with easter.

You speak English. Easter is the English word for Pascha.

No.  Both "Easter" and "Passover" are used in English for "Pascha" considering "Pascha" is used in the LXX in reference to the Passover event.

Yet the LXX is not in English.

Your point? The church does not have a tradition of strict adherence to local language, even if it does have a tradition of using it.

My point is that we know what the word is in Greek already. There is a very ancient practice in England, Germany, and some other parts with a similar linguistic background to refer to 'Paskha' the ritual of the Jews as Passover and 'Paskha' the Resurrection as 'Easter.' This is even reflected in the traditional translations of the Holy Bible into these tongues.

There is no need to adopt the local traditions of long dead local churches.  I think its best to avoid them.
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There is supposed to be a live feed here:

http://www.cahna.org/

But it doesn't show up on my computer.

Can others get it?

Won't work for me either.
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Orthodox-Protestant Discussion / Re: formerly orthodox?
« Last post by Jonathan Gress on Today at 10:37:34 PM »
I suppose I'd rather not give up so easily. If someone has the "wrong frame of mind", it suggests he's operating under a different set of assumptions about the meaning of life, morals and so forth. It strikes me as a good opportunity to find out what those assumptions are, and possibly change them for the better.

My impression of most debates on this forum is that each side is already unshakable in their views, and the debate is just a dreary back and forth using various forms of canned apologetics. It's like professional wrestling, more about pleasing the crowd of supporters than aiming for a real victory.
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Religious Topics / Re: Old vs. New Calendar?
« Last post by Porter ODoran on Today at 10:36:34 PM »
I fail to see your point? That is not reasonable grounds to replace the word Pascha with easter.

You speak English. Easter is the English word for Pascha.

No.  Both "Easter" and "Passover" are used in English for "Pascha" considering "Pascha" is used in the LXX in reference to the Passover event.

Yet the LXX is not in English.

Your point? The church does not have a tradition of strict adherence to local language, even if it does have a tradition of using it.

My point is that what the word is in Greek is not the question. Simply, there is a very ancient practice in England, Germany, and some other parts with a similar linguistic background to refer to πάσχα the ritual of the Jews as Passover and πάσχα the Resurrection as Easter. And for that matter this is reflected in the traditional translations of the Holy Bible into these tongues.
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There is supposed to be a live feed here:

http://www.cahna.org/

But it doesn't show up on my computer.

Can others get it?
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Religious Topics / Re: Old vs. New Calendar?
« Last post by вєликаго on Today at 10:35:51 PM »
I fail to see your point? That is not reasonable grounds to replace the word Pascha with easter.

You speak English. Easter is the English word for Pascha.

No.  Both "Easter" and "Passover" are used in English for "Pascha" considering "Pascha" is used in the LXX in reference to the Passover event.

True, but why are some trying to dictate church tradition to include the word easter? The church should create its own English traditions out of its own traditions, to continue those said traditions in English, if they are going to use English. There is no reason to be restricted to anther churches local traditions.  A church should hold to its own local traditions.

The Church already did -- as I said before, long before Slavic Christianity was a twinkle in St. Vladimir's eye ...

My church never did, a local church that no longer exists did.

Granted, altho I do not think that Old Believer's choices in English is the topic of the thread.

the example I used, is valid for many other churches, the Greeks, the Nikonian Russians, the Serbs, or I imagine it is.
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Religious Topics / Re: Old vs. New Calendar?
« Last post by Porter ODoran on Today at 10:34:02 PM »
I fail to see your point? That is not reasonable grounds to replace the word Pascha with easter.

You speak English. Easter is the English word for Pascha.

No.  Both "Easter" and "Passover" are used in English for "Pascha" considering "Pascha" is used in the LXX in reference to the Passover event.

True, but why are some trying to dictate church tradition to include the word easter? The church should create its own English traditions out of its own traditions, to continue those said traditions in English, if they are going to use English. There is no reason to be restricted to anther churches local traditions.  A church should hold to its own local traditions.

The Church already did -- as I said before, long before Slavic Christianity was a twinkle in St. Vladimir's eye ...

My church never did, a local church that no longer exists did.

Granted, altho I do not think that Old Believer's choices in English is the topic of the thread.
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