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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by William T on Today at 03:37:18 AM »
FYI:  I'm making the distinction between natural science (biology, physics, chemistry) and human science (psychology, economics, sociology).  That's all I was doing, that's a common distinction in universities.
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by William T on Today at 03:30:34 AM »
Sorry, I shouldn't have brought up 'ends' in human sciences.  I was rambling.  All I meant was things like psychology, sociology, economics not to mention things like ethics, or whatever may have very different methodologies due to the subject being people, and in human sciences it's a lot more intuitive and obvious to have final causes.  That's all I meant.  It would probably be a lot easier to have all four causes in use in these subjects.
Are you saying that biology doesn't study human subjects?

I am saying that psychology, sociology, etc may be more required to take human decision making, emotions, values, goals, and the like into consideration and are more equipped to do so than a "hard science" such as biology (which studies humans). 

If this is still nonsensical to you, sorry...I'll try to clear it up tomorrow, I've been out tonight.
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by NicholasMyra on Today at 03:16:47 AM »
Sorry, I shouldn't have brought up 'ends' in human sciences.  I was rambling.  All I meant was things like psychology, sociology, economics not to mention things like ethics, or whatever may have very different methodologies due to the subject being people, and in human sciences it's a lot more intuitive and obvious to have final causes.  That's all I meant.  It would probably be a lot easier to have all four causes in use in these subjects.
Are you saying that biology doesn't study human subjects?
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Non-Religious Topics / Re: The New Wave of Immigration to Europe
« Last post by andrewlya on Today at 03:09:26 AM »
Raylight you speak arabic? if so do you know if arab television is still inflamatory or has it gotten better or worse?

Yes I do. Well, even when I was in my home country, I didn't watch a lot of Arab television. However, I remember in the past when Arab television was bad and spread a lot of hate speech, especially toward the Jews. Today things are different as far as I know, the Arab "Spring" shifted the people's attention, and the domination of the Turkish drama shows reduced the amount of Arab shows. As for hate speech, it depends on the channel. For example; Aljazeera in my opinion is bad, actually it is pretty bad. Alarabyia is a little better. Today we have new channels that are originally Western. For example, BBC Arabic, which is the best in my opinion. There is no hate speech, no bias, and they have the courage to talk about things that are considered taboos such as; Gay rights, Atheists in Arab world, Ex-Muslims who converted to Christianity, religious extremism, Theory of Evolution and religion...etc. And another channel called France24 is also good and lacks hate speech. For fun shows, I watch Lebanese TV channels. They have very funny and nice shows, and when it comes to their comedy, well, let's just say they are very shocking how easy they can joke about sex, politicians, and religious leaders. As for some Islamic TV channels, there is no change; the same rubbish and the same hate.
So are you Lebanese? Where do you live now?
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by William T on Today at 03:06:50 AM »
When I talk about "engineering", I think a good example would be language.  Language is something that can't be constructed or guided by a single guided consciousness.  Language is "rational" but it isn't deliberately designed.
I follow you so far.

I do think "ends" play a major role in human subjects, and may have some role in human sciences, but that's beyond anything I want to talk about.
You lost me.

Is a rock falling to earth and a seed turning to a plant catagorically the same thing to you when you talk about teleology?
For Aristotle, yes. For me, in part. I think Efficient causation takes care of a lot of what Aristotle attributed to the Final explanation (e.g. plants don't become trees because they are being drawn to exemplify a form, but because of the execution of their genetic code), but not entirely.

Sorry, I shouldn't have brought up 'ends' in human sciences.  I was rambling.  All I meant was things like psychology, sociology, economics not to mention things like ethics, or whatever may have very different methodologies due to the subject being people, and in human sciences it's a lot more intuitive and obvious to have final causes.  That's all I meant.  It would probably be a lot easier to have all four causes in use in these subjects.
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Non-Religious Topics / Re: The New Wave of Immigration to Europe
« Last post by andrewlya on Today at 03:06:41 AM »
For anyone who missed it, here's a link to a BBC news article on why Syrians don't flee to the Gulf states in the Middle East. It seems they're not too welcome there.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34132308

Funny how when I grew up as a Muslim, Imams used to tell the people that the West hates them, that the West wants to destroy them, that those "infidel" Christians have nothing in their hearts except hate for Muslims. Here they are today realizing the truth. I hope many Muslims will wake up after this and realize the lies they were told by their Imams.

In my opinion, the Gulf countries are today's modern model for slavery. Why would Syrians go there ? To be treated like slaves and abused ? So for Syrian women to be forced to get married to men from Gulf countries, like what is happening in Jordan and Lebanon camps based on several news there, where many men from Saudi Arabia go there to get married very cheap because they know people there are vulnerable.

From where do you think the Islamic State's ideology came from ? From where do you think Islamic State supporters came from ?
Nice to hear from a Muslim convert! Were you Sunni? Where were you born and how did you come to Christianity? :) Conversion from Islam to Christianity really fascinates me because Muslims don't believe people actually convert to Christianity, many I think think it is just Christian propaganda ;) which is not of course.

About the Imams saying that the Western infidels hate Muslims is because of the Quran. Quran teaches Muslims to not be friends or trust non Muslims,this mistrust of non Muslims comes from the Quran actually, not from Imams themselves. Qur'an (5:51),Qur'an (3:28),Quran 5:59,Quran 3:149,Quran 5:81.

I will post a thread soon about how I found Christ and left Islam. And how after that I became Atheist and pretty much anti-religion, and very anti-God to the point I hated religion in general, and Christianity in particular. However, he didn't let me go and here I am  :)
Praise be to God!  :)
Praise be to God!:)
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Non-Religious Topics / Re: The New Wave of Immigration to Europe
« Last post by Poppy on Today at 02:53:46 AM »
Yeh can't wait to hear it....not

I get spat at when I wear my abaya and hijab, even worse when I wear niqab. I have comments said in passing like traitor and worse. How you can say that ppl don't hate Muslims is beyond me, my experience tells me otherwise.
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nafs? Self? Needs? idk

How much are we guided by that in what religion we choose?
It influences every decision we make surely?
So then how can we find out anything objectively?

Like say for instance 'you' fall in love with a Syrian girl who happens to be Muslim and you got it bad, like you can't eat, sleep, all you can do is think about her (ok I'm using a dumb example but) if you have no religion, that might promp you to join it?

So many subtle and not so subtle things influence us all, how can we even avoid that?

Joinin any religion has nothing to do with 'God' sometimes, it's just like joining a club. But I hate even those people who say they follow God without defining what version of God it is they follow.....ykno?

It's like they made this 'God' up in their head and they like him and so they become their own judge of their behaviour and deeds.

That makes me want to vom when I chat with someone like that, total irritation.

Any helpful thoughts?
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by NicholasMyra on Today at 02:46:32 AM »
When I talk about "engineering", I think a good example would be language.  Language is something that can't be constructed or guided by a single guided consciousness.  Language is "rational" but it isn't deliberately designed.
I follow you so far.

I do think "ends" play a major role in human subjects, and may have some role in human sciences, but that's beyond anything I want to talk about.
You lost me.

Is a rock falling to earth and a seed turning to a plant catagorically the same thing to you when you talk about teleology?
For Aristotle, yes. For me, in part. I think Efficient causation takes care of a lot of what Aristotle attributed to the Final explanation (e.g. plants don't become trees because they are being drawn to exemplify a form, but because of the execution of their genetic code), but not entirely.
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Religious Topics / Re: Patriarch Bartholomew "Rebukes" Moscow
« Last post by Opus118 on Today at 02:11:11 AM »
It is beyond me how our supposedly internet savvy phenotypes do not notice the source for the article.

http://www.ec-patr.org/docdisplay.php?lang=en&id=2078&tla=en

Start from this.

Based on the quote below, I think the phenotypes were right.

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A second observation on this matter is a clarification on the nature of the Holy and Great Council to convene. In selecting the name of this Council, the 1st Preconciliar Pan-Orthodox Conference deliberately avoided labeling it as an Ecumenical Council precisely because Western Christians are not invited to participate as members, which was always the case in the early Church whenever Ecumenical Councils were held. The authority of this Council therefore only extends within the boundaries of the Orthodox Church, without this meaning that the Council cannot decide on matters concerning Orthodox relations with the rest of the Christian world.

http://www.ec-patr.org/docdisplay.php?lang=en&id=2078&tla=en

His Holiness was not misquoted.  Moreover, he seems to believe that ecumenical councils are ecumenical because they involved the West.  But when the West was invited, it was Orthodox.  Ecumenical councils are ecumenical councils because they are of the Church, not because they consist of Western Christians meeting with Eastern Orthodox Christians while the Orientals are left out because they're out of communion, lack sufficient clout, and are too busy getting slaughtered by Muslims.

Is His Holiness misquoting the Council for the 1st Preconciliar Pan-Orthodox Conference. I do not get your point. I know nothing about the council. Who is in it?
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