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They hate the Holy Father just like they hated our Lord Jesus Christ because he hang around people the society didn't like. Nothing new to see.

Poles hated Christ?  Did anyone tell them they were going to the wrong Church?

Why, Raylight--and i realize that asking this and expecting an honest answer may be asking too much--but did you ever say the same things about those people who disagreed fervently with BXVI that they hated gim too? 
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Believe me, it's not word-choices that this thread has me concerned about.
I've understood it partly in such way because of this:

"Demand" it? Seriously?

Surely we're blessed to have such deep-seeing minds here, to perceive this "demand."
Putting in quotation the certain word, as it wasn't suitable.


Anyway, I understand there are some worrisome things in this thread, or rather something general, that I wrote here:
Yeah, Orthodox Internet forums are quite often a way to dream of realising your ideas, that you would fulfil if you were a bishop or another important person. If only you were! Well, maybe sometimes there is a hope a hierarch will read it and at least will rethink the issue.
And I can add: if the issues were so simply (liturgical revivement/restoration/doing according to the canons/typicon/for people, pan-orthodox council, EP matter and so on), bishops (or at least a number of them) would resolve them; but we're not responsible for the Church (at least not so much as they are), so we think we're wise and that we should present our brillant ideas in public.
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Believe me, it's not word-choices that this thread has me concerned about.
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"Demand" it? Seriously?

Surely we're blessed to have such deep-seeing minds here, to perceive this "demand." However, be that as it may, I fail to see how moving the Patriarchate guarantees a cessation (and not actually an elevation) of any of the problems you allege..

Maybe so such powerful word shouldn't be used, maybe "need" would be better; I was just answering for your
Is Turkey even demanding this?
At least in Polish (and in Spanish similarly a bit) it's a kind of stylistic instrument: "not x but [the verb of the interlocutor is repeated], so I had to repeat your verb "demand". I hope I write clearly.
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Hmm fascinating, IDK if the E.P. would grant Autocephaly, as that could very much upset the M.P. The M.P. representing about half of the world Orthodox population, and could retaliate by blocking anything the E.P. wants to do as far as any future Pan-orthodox Councils are concerned.

On the other hand the MP may no longer have "half of the world Orthodox population.." if the EP grants autocephaly.  The EP has stated that it did not recognise the 1686 annexation of the Metropolia of Kyiv from his jurisdiction.  The EP granted autocephaly to the Polish Orthodox Church on that basis and autonomy to Finland etc.

OK assuming it ever came to that,  how would it work out? Would UOC-MP still exist? Would UOC-MP be like how ROCOR exist as the Russian Church here in the states? Would UAOC merge with UOC-KP in such a situation?

Anyone with History Of that part of the world, more than I am, would those in Belarus start demanding a independent Orthodox Church? Belorussians seem more tied to Moscow than Ukrainans, as a observation.
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"Demand" it? Seriously?

Surely we're blessed to have such deep-seeing minds here, to perceive this "demand." However, be that as it may, I fail to see how moving the Patriarchate guarantees a cessation (and not actually an elevation) of any of the problems you allege..
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