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Orthodox Family Forum / Re: Motherhood
« Last post by Alxandra on Today at 04:52:20 AM »
On the topic of motherhood...a lovey quote I read today  :)

“It is good for a mother to be involved with the nurturing of her children… A mother can speak to her children about Christ; she can read the Lives of the Saints to them. The mother’s spiritual life will then quietly help the souls of her children. Thus, her children will live happily, and she will be joyful because she will have Christ within her. If a mother doesn’t find the time to say even the Trisagion, how can she expect he children to be sanctified?
When she does her housework, can’t she pray at the same time? It was my mother who taught me to way the Jesus Prayer. When we were children and had done some mischief, and my mother was about to get angry with us, I remembering her saying, “Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me.” When she put the bread in the oven, she would say, “In the name of the Christ and Panagia.” And whenever kneading, or cooking, again, she constantly said the Jesus Prayer. In this manner, she herself was blessed, as were the bread and the food she was preparing, and so were those who partook of it later.”
+Saint Paisios
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Religious Topics / Re: Creationism, Evolution, and Orthodoxy
« Last post by beebert on Today at 04:31:51 AM »
Now, you said you don't care how old the earth is. Bravo! THat is EXACTLY what I said before.

No, you definitely care about the age of the earth and how it's older than six thousand years. 

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I don't remember if it was in this thread. But a christian should never preach that the earth is 6000 years old if he doesn't know it.

And there's another example of "caring" about the age of the earth.  Presumably, a Christian could be allowed in Beebertianity to preach that the earth is seven billion years old. 

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It simply doesn't matter for the faith. And that was my whole point.

Your whole point is that it does matter for the faith if it's not the answer you approve.   

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Now I don't like Tertullian, but wasn't he the one who said the he believed because it is absurd? It IS absurd to believe that God, the maker of this infinite universe, was incarnated by being born by a virgin, died on a cross and raised from the dead again. Now. That is absurd. That is absurd for what? For our reason.

I don't trust your reading of Tertullian or anyone else, so you're going to have to prove your point about absurdity. 

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That is why one can not simply "believe". God's grace, a miracle, is required. To say otherwise is stupid.

You're right.  But I never said that God's grace wasn't required.  My contention is that "faith" is reasonable. 

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Is it regular that a man can raise other men from the dead, heal the sick and the blind etc? No. In order to have faith in the miracles and everything in the bible, you must in some way go against your natural reason. What is so strange about that? That it appears absurd doesn't mean it isn't true.

Why do I have to go against my natural reason?  My ancestors were baptised by the Apostle Thomas.  They believed his testimony about Christ to be sufficient for them to do something as counter-cultural and radical as converting.  They didn't think they were doing something "non-reasonable", something contradicting their natural reason.  They had to feel it was reasonable enough to justify taking the risk.  I believe their testimony because it has remained consistent for two thousand years.  That's reasonable.  It's not against natural reason.  It's not absurd.  It's just not CCTV footage of downtown Eden.   

Regarding your comments on that I would have People preach the age of the earth : No. It is not important to me. I am not a Dawkins. Even though though sometimes understands Why he is irritated by people who are to spiritually and intellectually analphabetic to understand that the earth doesnt stand on a turtle. But: If we go on that road I would rather do it like Wittgenstein and say there is a great chance that there in fact is a dinosaur under my bed. I dont care what People Believe. I would never do as the catholic Church did and burn heretics. Nor would I do like many Southern Baptists and preach hatred towards homosexuals. What I despise is 1. Oppression.  2. Herd mentality. 3. Intellectual dishonesty. Those three are what I consider the roots of all evil. And most people belong to at least one of those three. I have a tendency towards intellectual dishonesty for example, which I despise. "The Earth is 6000 years" is not an answer to anything btw. I allow you to Believe it, But it is very very probable that it is a lie and a great one. And pure imagination. Otherwise, I too Believe that there are dinosaurs under my bed. Now... Don Quijote wasn't so unique in his delusions efter all. Perhaps he saw giants instead of windmills because he was right.

Credo quia absurdum is a Latin phrase that means "I believe because it is absurd." It is a paraphrase of a statement in Tertullian's work De Carne Christi, "prorsus credibile est, quia ineptum est", which can be translated: "it is by all means to be believed, because it is absurd".The context is a defence of the tenets of orthodox Christianity against docetism:

Crucifixus est Dei Filius, non pudet, quia pudendum est;
et mortuus est Dei Filius, prorsus credibile est, quia ineptum est;
et sepultus resurrexit, certum est, quia impossibile.
— (De Carne Christi V, 4)
"The Son of God was crucified: there is no shame, because it is shameful.
And the Son of God died: it is by all means to be believed, because it is absurd.
And, buried, He rose again: it is certain, because impossible."

That is one of few good things Tertullian ever said that I know of.

Now to say how much I believe the common man and often also the prieats and preaches have distorted true christianity : 1. Priests and preachers have often been oppressors and preached an oppressive God. Jesus Said he came to free the oppressed and he condemned the oppressors. And suddenly many christians turned Christ himself into an oppressor! That is really blasphemy if anything. 2. The herd. Christ said he would gather his flock. His flock is supposed to be people who are couragous enough to follow his painful path. The herd made it Into something comfortable, and helped the preachers to oppress those outside the true Faith because they, in their group mentality, couldnt or wouldnt see things clear and instead joined the oppressors. 3. All of this is intellectualy dishonest.

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Faith Issues / Re: Zoroastrianism & Mithras
« Last post by michaelus on Today at 04:22:45 AM »
I hope nobody minds but I decided to grab my shovel and dig this thread up. I had a few thoughts that I would like to express here. I read a little on Zoroastrianism and I think it is interesting but I'm pretty ignorant for the most part about the religion.

First off, in minasoliman's post, he mentions that Zoroastrian prophecies predicted a messiah. Does anyone have the specific examples of text and I'm wondering, could any of their prophecies could have been talking about Christ? Did any of their prophecies point to an event that may have happened in Christ's life?

My second thought concerns the three Magi who came to Christ and the belief that Christianity and Judaism took some of the Zoroastrian beliefs. Is it possible that the Magi learned of the signs of the coming Christ from Zoroastrian writings? Is it possible that Zoroaster was a true prophet that really pointed to Christ? We all know that Christ's coming was the fufillment of Judaism but was His coming also possibly the fufillment of Zoroastrianism? The teachings were similar to Judaism and it makes me think that the two were possibly pointing toward the same thing and that is Christ.

My knowledge of Zoroastrianism is very limited though, but any thoughts perhaps?
Matthew 2:1-6
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When Jesus therefore was born in Bethlehem of Juda, in the days of king Herod, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem.
Saying, Where is he that is born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the east, and are come to adore him.
And king Herod hearing this, was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
And assembling together all the chief priests and the scribes of the people, he inquired of them where Christ should be born.
But they said to him: In Bethlehem of Juda. For so it is written by the prophet:
"And thou Bethlehem the land of Juda art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come forth the captain that shall rule my people Israel."
That's almost an exact quote from the Book of Micah.  I think the Magi definitely learned of Jesus from a Jewish source of some kind.
But while we're on this topic, Matthew says the Magi were also guided by the star.  Anyone here know anything about Zoroastrian astrology?
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Non-Religious Topics / Germany at a turning point: same-sex marriages
« Last post by Lepanto on Today at 03:12:53 AM »
On Friday, there is going to be a vote in the German parliament about full recognition of same-sex marriages.
It is quite likely that it will go through.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/27/europe/germany-same-sex-marriage/index.html
The "C" within the government party´s name "CDU" actually stands for "Christian".
I am at a loss for words, did not think that this could happen that fast.
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Faith Issues / Re: Zoroastrianism & Mithras
« Last post by William T on Today at 03:01:04 AM »
I hope nobody minds but I decided to grab my shovel and dig this thread up. I had a few thoughts that I would like to express here. I read a little on Zoroastrianism and I think it is interesting but I'm pretty ignorant for the most part about the religion.

First off, in minasoliman's post, he mentions that Zoroastrian prophecies predicted a messiah. Does anyone have the specific examples of text and I'm wondering, could any of their prophecies could have been talking about Christ? Did any of their prophecies point to an event that may have happened in Christ's life?

My second thought concerns the three Magi who came to Christ and the belief that Christianity and Judaism took some of the Zoroastrian beliefs. Is it possible that the Magi learned of the signs of the coming Christ from Zoroastrian writings? Is it possible that Zoroaster was a true prophet that really pointed to Christ? We all know that Christ's coming was the fufillment of Judaism but was His coming also possibly the fufillment of Zoroastrianism? The teachings were similar to Judaism and it makes me think that the two were possibly pointing toward the same thing and that is Christ.

My knowledge of Zoroastrianism is very limited though, but any thoughts perhaps?

Savior:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saoshyant

Of note: A virgin (and descendant of Zoroaster) will bath in water then give birth. 

Jewish texts that take place after the Babylonian captivity and during the interaction with the Persians are a bit different than the old Torah texts.
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Other Topics / Re: Mexican Restaurant
« Last post by hecma925 on Today at 02:56:25 AM »
I want carnitas.
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Other Topics / Re: Don't Ask Your Priest
« Last post by hecma925 on Today at 02:09:07 AM »
A rudder is what you use to steer a boat.  For the average person, The Rudder is far less useful, unless you just want to argue.
I like to argue.
Nuh-uh.
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Other Topics / Re: Beards of OC.NET, Vol. 11, July 2013
« Last post by hecma925 on Today at 02:08:22 AM »
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Faith Issues / Re: Zoroastrianism & Mithras
« Last post by NicholasMyra on Today at 02:02:18 AM »
Interesting hypothesis about the tea ceremony, if fanciful
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Other Topics / Re: The Menswear Thread
« Last post by hecma925 on Today at 01:49:28 AM »


High fashion.
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