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Other Topics / Re: W.A.G.-word association game
« Last post by William T on Today at 03:17:08 PM »
Seleucid
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Religious Topics / Re: Eastern Orthodoxy, United or Divided?
« Last post by Opus118 on Today at 02:54:30 PM »

While there were no innocent parties in the Yugoslav Civil War, to be fair The Serbs were fending off Croat Neo-Nazis and Ustasha fighters. The Serbs were ethnically cleansed in Operation Storm, and expelled from there native areas of Krajina, also The Serbs were fighting off US-Albanian-Iranian-Pakistani-Gulf Arab backed Mujahedeen Jihadists affiliated with Hezbollah and Al-Qaida, both in Kosovo & Bosnia. Again no good players, and the Serbs have done crimes, but it not like the Serbian Orthodox Church was looking for people to slaughter who are quote "different"

Please source your statements. They are hard to believe.

Someone at coffee hour.

I'd pay admission for this type of coffee hour.
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Liturgy / Re: Petitions after Great Entrance
« Last post by RaphaCam on Today at 02:48:04 PM »
Yes, I meant EC as in Eastern Catholics and petitions instead of processions. :P Thanks for the response!
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Liturgy / Chanting of the Hypakoe and Anavathmoi
« Last post by scamandrius on Today at 02:40:34 PM »
In your church, during Orthros, are the hypakoe and/or anavathomoi chanted?

Typically, in ours, since we are trying to get Divine LIturgy started by 10, we just read them.  The only times we chant the anavathmoi are when there is a great feast and we chant "from my youth up" in mode 4.  The Kazan Music project, which my church regularly uses for a lot of material, only has the mode 4 anavathmoi set to music.  We are looking to maybe chant all the anavathmoi in the tones of the week but we don't have any musical settings.  If anyone does chant the anavathmoi, what chant (i.e. Byzantine) settings do you use and can we have access to them (Byzantine notation or western notation)?  Same for the hypakoe.
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Liturgy / Re: Petitions after Great Entrance
« Last post by Dominika on Today at 02:35:39 PM »
This EC text in Polish seems to indicate more processions in "Procesja", not sure, Dominika may confirm: http://unici.pl/content/view/115.html
First of all, the link is Greek Catholic, it indicates the name of the website ("unici") and in the petition mentioning of the pope of Rome ;)
Secondly, I suppose you meant "more petitions" instead of "processions".
Anyway, as it's Greek Catholic text, it doesn't represent Polish Orthodox practice. And the Polish Orthodox practice regarding the petitions after the Great Entrance varies not even from parish to parish, but from priest to priest (even at the same parish) and on the certain occassion (the same priest may say more or less petitions, and say them in different manner, order etc.). I know that Antiochians (at least what I've heard being on Liturgy in USA and watching Liturgies from Lebanon and Syria) now add special petition for abducted metropolitans of Aleppo.

Generally speaking, and not only about Polish tradition, it varies very much, the same as it's with ektenia after the Gospel (to which it's allowed to add special petitions).
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: On marrying a second wife
« Last post by Mor Ephrem on Today at 02:34:25 PM »
Wandile,

I began reading your reply and resolved not to comment on most of it because we obviously disagree and I don't feel like responding to your childishness in kind.  It is apparent that you are here to peddle a product.  But I couldn't resist these:

There is no marrying or giving in marriage in heaven, but that doesn't mean that the relationship begun here ends there.  In heaven, Wandile is still his mother's son, his father's son, his wife's husband, etc.  Those relationships are not lived there the way they are lived here, but they survive death.

Having a relationship is different to saying marriage exists. You can keep a bond of love for theother person because of your journey on earth together and how you helped each other deify. Your parents are your parents because of your birth on earth to them. You wife can be said to be your wife because of your marriage on earth. But the actualmarriage itself is dissolved and replaced anew with one with God.

Amazing.  Your parents are your own because of your birth to them on earth, but your wife "can be said" to be your wife because of your marriage on earth, the marriage otherwise being considered dissolved. 

Pure sophistry, utter nonsense, and more a heresy than what you ascribe to me. 

By this same logic, your parents on earth are no longer your parents in heaven because the sex that procreated you on earth will not exist in heaven, being replaced by a different sort of communion. 

You accept the parent-child relationship while rejecting the husband-wife relationship because it conflicts with your perversion of orthodox Christian teaching.

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All names we give to people here are in respect of our relationships on earth/temporal relationships. Our eternal unity is found in God alone. He is our Proper Father, Our proper spouse , Our proper Borther, Our proper family. It is from him who we come and from him to whom we return. Our relationships here serve as a way for us to learn how to love God in eternity. They are types of the relationship we will have with God. Any name that still exists with respect to a person you interacted with on earth is not in respect of eternity (for that belongs to God alone) but to our temporal experience on earth. These things do not linger on in heaven by what they are but get fulfilled and completed in God.

More silliness.  If relationships sanctified on earth are fulfilled and completed in God in eternity, that does not mean they are eliminated or annulled.  Or is our Lady no longer the Mother of Jesus?  Is St Joseph longer "eiusdem Virginis Sponsi/her spouse", as the Roman Canon confesses at the behest of one of your latter day saints? 

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I realise that you need to reinforce your views with a good dose of RC triumphalism to justify continuing in your faith now that your Pope routinely undermines your Church's truth claims (for instance, he believes cohabitation is a grace-filled marriage while most sacramental marriages are null), but spare us.
Reinforce myself with the truth of God and teach his word to all those in error and ignorant. Hate falsehood and love truth. I speak here out of love not out of triumph. Out of a wish to show the truth from error. That is then task of the catholic. To be Gods voice in the world. To proclaim his teaching and law against the errors of men.

Way to throw your Pope under the bus.
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This is absurd really.  Not only are not all bishops attending but the idea also seems to be that preliminary meetings are more binding than the council itself. I wonder how many years it takes to settle all the problems that various issues related to council will cause.

I agree. Maybe, if American professional sports used that same logic then pre-season should just dictate who wins the World Series or the Superbowl or the Stanley Cup.
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Other Topics / Re: The Things that Cheer You Up
« Last post by scamandrius on Today at 02:23:01 PM »
Many years for both your kids! :)

For all our kids.  +1
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Other Topics / Re: W.A.G.-word association game
« Last post by BrotherBoris on Today at 02:11:56 PM »
The Middle East
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Liturgy / Re: Petitions after Great Entrance
« Last post by RaphaCam on Today at 02:11:00 PM »
This EC text in Polish seems to indicate more petitions in "Procesja", not sure, Dominika may confirm: http://unici.pl/content/view/115.html
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