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Christian News / Re: Street Preacher Slashed With a Knife
« Last post by Antonious Nikolas on Today at 02:26:16 PM »
My brother, you seem intent on fomenting disagreement where there is no disagreement.

Actually, that's not the case at all.  Now, you're arguing against "constructs that I have not fashioned".

I encourage you to read my comments thoroughly and carefully.

If you think I'm misreading your posts, please show me precisely where you think I'm wrong and we'll talk about it.  We've been over this sort of ground before, Gebre.  You've declared I was misreading your posts, and other posters have indicated that they were reading them the same way.  This being the case, it may have more to do with your lack of clarity than it does with my reading comprehension skills.  So yeah, please show me - precisely - where I am misreading your posts.

I may not be right, but you're arguing against constructs that I have not fashioned.

Kindly show me where.

And with respect, you may want to tone down the whole "I'm more Orthodox than you" thing. It's sort of a self- defeating posture to take.

And here, precisely, you are "arguing against a construct that I have not fashioned".  I never said that I was "more Orthodox than you" (whatever you think that means).  I said, you don't have much formation in the Orthodox Church, you are largely self-taught and self-formed, and that comes through in your writings.  I think that's a fair criticism and I will make it as often as I like, unless you would care to refute it.  Thank you.
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Christian News / Re: Street Preacher Slashed With a Knife
« Last post by DeniseDenise on Today at 02:22:52 PM »
Since when does saying 'not much formation' and 'self taught' equal less orthodox.  I don't think that was said about your person....but rather as a statement about your ideas which in many cases do skirt the edges of what is taught.


Nor does making such statements actually translate into 'I am more orthodox....'


It's hard as a convert to 'unlearn' a lot of what we come with, in terms of beliefs we NEED to (for our own souls sake) give up unreservedly, rather than trying to sort them into 'well its not directly contrary to Church teachings, that means its ok'

and yes...its hard.  Trust me, I know firsthand....but to do anything other than focus on the -central- teachings of the Church and how they apply to us personally.....just prolongs the process.
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Christian News / Re: Street Preacher Slashed With a Knife
« Last post by mike on Today at 02:20:33 PM »
And with respect, you may want to tone down the whole "I'm more Orthodox than you" thing. It's sort of a self- defeating posture to take.

I do not have a dog in the fight about who is more orthodox in your religion and I am far from calling AN a courteous and polite poster but the response above is a perfect example of your discussion tactics when you respond to accusations against you no one  posted. You picture in your mind preferable insults against you and then with grief and resentment you respond  to them.

AN has not posted here he thinks he is more Orthodox than you.
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Christian News / Re: Street Preacher Slashed With a Knife
« Last post by FinnJames on Today at 02:18:30 PM »
Quote from: Gebre Menfes Kidus link=topic=70519.msg1435062#msg1435062
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My main point remains that we should be wary about judgment in general. I'm all for calling a spade a spade; but as I said, things are not always as black and white as they seem. [...]
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(Just as a side note, I go to pre-Christmas mystery of reconciliation tomorrow afternoon. The above in mind, my gut reactions to discussions on OrthodoxChristianity.net always give me something to bring to confession.)
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Catholic Church Music
« Last post by Dominika on Today at 02:05:00 PM »
Oh shoot! Wrong video! Sorry. LOL

Mozart's Requiem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII

Dominika, can you please delete my last post?
*Picture snipped*
Seriously, does Mozart's Requiem play in any Latin mass, whether contemporary or traditional?

I think yes, at least at some funerals of important people.
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Non-Religious Topics / Re: ITT: We post maps
« Last post by mike on Today at 02:02:31 PM »
What is a "non-masculine noun"?

Plural equivalent of feminine/neutral.
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Non-Religious Topics / Re: ITT: We post maps
« Last post by rakovsky on Today at 01:51:53 PM »

What is a "non-masculine noun"?

In English, boats and countries have been feminine, but it's probably becoming used less as a grammatical form.
eg. Talking about a ship: 'Thar she goes'.

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Christian News / Re: Street Preacher Slashed With a Knife
« Last post by Gebre Menfes Kidus on Today at 01:33:55 PM »
Well, I guess we could argue all day long about whose "tactics" are more Orthodox or more pharisaical.

That was never my intention.  I simply object to people crying "Pharisee!' at anyone who has the temerity integrity to call this or that heterodox practice, tradition, tactic or thing what it is: heterodox.  If - for example - you advocate for the incorporation of elements of Evangelical praxis into the Orthodox Church, and I say that this should never be because such is not our ethos, you would be off base to bawl "Pharisee!" at me.

You haven't exactly been the model of graciousness and love in how you've responded to me at times. And that's ok.

You haven't always been a model of graciousness or love yourself, and we both know that.  And that's okay.

I've never claimed to be a paragon of virtue on these boards or in life, Gebre.  I've also never played the humble-brag "Pray for me, a wretched sinner whose opinion counts for nothing!" game while simultaneously posting long, self-important pontifications on a variety of subjects as if I truly believe that my opinion counts for very much indeed.  I simply speak my mind, and I am not always delicate about it.

When it comes to you, as you said about the street preacher, I do believe that you are very sincere.  I also believe that your heart is filled with love.  That's a good thing.

On the flipside, I don't believe you've really had much formation in Oriental Orthodoxy - specifically Ethiopian Orthodoxy - and that you are largely self-taught and self-formed, and that this comes through in your writings.  And that, too, is okay.

My main point remains that we should be wary about judgment in general. I'm all for calling a spade a spade; but as I said, things are not always as black and white as they seem. In this video there's plenty of sin to go around. We can focus on that and self-righteously presume we are holier than either the lesbians, the attacker, or the fundy preacher. But again, as I said, I can see a lot of myself in all of these people. So, you know, it pretty much goes back to that staple Orthodox prayer of ours:

"Lord have mercy on me."

Yes and no.  You presume that we are judging someone relative to our own sins when we say that their behavior is wrong.  We're not.  Every criticism I have made of the street preacher here remains valid.  I defy you to prove otherwise.  That said, my recognizing where he has erred does not mean that I have forgotten about my own sins or that I think I am any "holier" than him.

I see a bit of a difference....AN discusses, debates etc. the topics are already here and being discussed and are by and large established Church doctrine based.

You come on here, throw up a long 'writing of Gebre' and then get upset when folks here don't agree with you...

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I think AN's long writings equal if not surpass my own. ;)

I think Denise has a point here.  I do make long posts, but usually as part of a discussion on a given topic.  You are the only poster here who comes to mind who posts long pontifications or sermonettes on a given subject and then - as Denise rightly said - gets upset when someone disagrees with those meanderings.

Look, like I said, the fact that you identify so much with the street preacher in this scenario doesn't surprise me.  In fact, as soon as you said that you did, I found myself nodding and saying "That makes sense!" because I've seen you employ similar  tactics here: posting something you know will be provocative - for the purpose of provoking people - and then professing to be hurt when the provoked act provoked.  Re-read FinnJames' assessment of the street preacher's m.o.:

I'm not sure I'd call it courage. After watching his other videos and reading the comments on them, I'd say this street preacher's chosen tactic is to search out a location where he knows his message is going to be rejected and then revel in the abuse he receives. To me he seems more of a narcissistic masochist than a courageous spreader of the Gospel.

I couldn't agree with FinnJames' assessment more.  If you watch the rest of this man's videos, you will see that this is precisely what he does.  I must admit I find it galling when people do this, and then try to pretend that they are a modern day St. John the Baptist, a "holy fool", or even Our Lord in the Temple or the marketplace.  They are none of the above.  If they were, they would take the abuse meted out to them by those they have deliberately antagonized with love and a degree of stoicism, not whine and protest to their last breath like butthurt babies.  The street preacher in the video exhibited neither Christian love nor courage.  He revealed himself for what he was from frame one of the video, and most especially after he was attacked.

My brother, you seem intent on fomenting disagreement where there is no disagreement. I encourage you to read my comments thoroughly and carefully. I may not be right, but you're arguing against constructs that I have not fashioned.

And with respect, you may want to tone down the whole "I'm more Orthodox than you" thing. It's sort of a self- defeating posture to take.

Selam
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If you look again the photo you'll see more 2 oriental orthodox priests in the right corner of the photo, a indian one with a salmoned colour habit and another in black that looks coptic.

AFAIK, he's not one of ours.

Ditto on the "Copt".  The way he's wearing the kolonsowa so far back like that, with hair exposed at the front, I'd say he might be Syriac.  The Armenian looks like it might be H.H. Aram I, but his face isn't especially clear.  This is probably some WCC adjacent thing, from when they met in South Korea a few years back.
If you read my post a few posts back, yes, this is Catholicos Aram. Yes, this is in South Korea, and yes, this is a WCC event.


I must've missed it.
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