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... there is no such thing as Orthodox in Union with Rome.

Tell that to Archbishop Zohgby.  ;)

Papa Francisco would like to have a word with him.

He's quite welcome to, I'm sure.  :) Can't say I really see the need, since we're already aware of the difference of views ... unless you're referring to TYF's call for excommunication, but I can assure you that's not going to happen.

No, I wasn't referring to that.  I find it rather difficult to take TYF's views seriously. 
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Problematic objections to ECism ...
« Last post by Peter J on Today at 06:22:35 PM »
Using historical arguments to say that the Patriarch of Rome was viewed as the Vicar of Christ is akin to saying Mor Ephrem has the infallible power of Christ over all doctrine taught on this board.

Maybe the RC's are right after all.

 ;D

... there is no such thing as Orthodox in Union with Rome.

Tell that to Archbishop Zohgby.  ;)

Papa Francisco would like to have a word with him.

He's quite welcome to, I'm sure.  :) Can't say I really see the need, since we're already aware of the difference of views ... unless you're referring to TYF's call for excommunication, but I can assure you that's not going to happen. (BTW TYF, I've noticed that a lot of your chums don't bother saying that the Pope should break off communion with Melkites, but will rather attack Melkites for not breaking off communion with the Pope.  ???)
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Prayer Forum / Re: Apologies and Prayers
« Last post by eddybear on Today at 06:12:39 PM »
Lord, have mercy.
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Prayer Forum / Re: Prayers for dying shiarchimandrite Basil Grolimund
« Last post by eddybear on Today at 06:11:41 PM »
Lord, have mercy.
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Lord Have Mercy!
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If that radiation can get through miles of atmospheric interference and resistance, I doubt my roof will slow it down much.

Same with tin foil hats.


Do you post while wearing a tin foil hat Maria?

Actually, Dr. Phillips of NASA suggests staying indoors or in car while a Solar Flare is blasting the earth, unless you like to be irradiated.


Thanks for calling a prestigious NASA scientist, a tin foil hatter. I think he will appreciate that.

You are welcome!

I must wonder, however, whether he was hired to do astrophysics or teach self-esteem to Moslems?


That seems like a good idea. I do not know how you sit with the common notion that low self esteem leads to violent behavior.

As far as space exploration, we need to return to the 1960s tax rates.

Some of the most violent people I have met have oodles of self-esteem.  Sociopaths are nothing but giant balls of self-esteem, and they are capable of perpetrating absolute horrors.
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I don't think Math can be compared to any other. Even applied math.
At best it is merely a tool for all the other sciences. It also stands alone and apart from science.
Once again, definitions are in order, at least for my adage.
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Prayer Forum / Prayers for dying shiarchimandrite Basil Grolimund
« Last post by Nathanael on Today at 05:53:20 PM »
I just heard that Fr. Basil, abbot of a monastery in Germany, is dying. :( Please pray for him, that he may recover - the monastery and all people need him so much.
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Oriental Orthodox Discussion / Re: Angels, Free Will, and Predestination
« Last post by Dracula on Today at 05:45:05 PM »
Can't you just chalk this up to mystery? Going on about logical proofs or rationalizing  things that make more sense, or defining whatmakes God more or less "perfect" is Scholasticism or Cartesianism at its worst.  You either get something of the gist or picture  of something like this or you don't.  If you don't "get it" (and none of us probably are capable of really "getting it") why not focus on things that are clear enough (forgiving enemies, fasting, or other things that, unlike angelology, are more geared for our instruction and these are tough enough to get our heads around.)?

To demand proofs is an error.  An Angels existence and nature can not be proven.  Some things can be shown, but even here it isn't our job to try to comprehend much.  In  Scriptures Angels are merely assumed, there is no "doctrine" about them.....because it's not our job to know such tnings.  In scripture, whenever someone focused on an Angel, the Angel Immediately directed the attention and credit to God (read Tobit, or look at Gabriel in the Gospel).

There is no reason to assume that Angels experience being and time as we do.  And there is some decent suggestion that there is something "permenant" about their choices.  It is without "error" or misconception.  If an Angel falls he has probably "Blasphemed against the Holy Spirit", such a sin is probably beyond the comprehension of the vast majority of us.  Either way, we are built to only know a few things about angels, and it involves their relationship to us and how they help reveal and glorify God.  Which goes back to the original point: this isn't a problem of rationalism, questioning, or the like....those are categories for more human topics, which this most decidedly is not, it's not meant to be.  I think maybe those old gnostics and mystery cults got all into explaining the seventh heaven, aeons, , demiurges, and all that hippy dip stuff with their use of "true gnosis", but we dont.  It's a different game.  We are more plebian and stupid than the gnostics, they are privileged to understand that stuff perfectly I guess.

No.

God never said neither in the Bible nor the Fathers that you shall not search for proofs and answers. (authoritarian sources for you)

You are not asked to be lazy and ignorant even by them but to know, ask, knock and always be ready to answer to anyone who seeks an answer and edify one another(by your authoritarian sources).

Sinister people have invented that methodology perhaps as a result of excessive extremism.

I am saying you made a methodological error.   Biology is not geometry, for example and it's different approaches.

To call any answer you dislike that isn't some "proof" that can't fit into a system you have in your own mind "authoritarian", and putting it into some reason vs feidism debate helps illustrate that you are using approaches that are a bit off and more in line with Enlightenment thinking and philosophical approaches that do little to help anything at hand.  If you want me to use a hard line "rational" approach to things, maybe I could say your question is a "categorical error".

But even you using a "God never said" line,  I couod dissmisvly translate as authoritarian in and of itself were I to play a hard line game of (rather uncharitable) rationalist battles as I could just as easy call any action or approach lazy that doesn't conform to my system - frankly, I don't see anything particularly more or less lazy in approaches to things, it's better to ask what is the right tool for the job at hand.   Either way, I am not using an "authoritarian " line of reason, as I stated earlier that is a dead end, I am simply trying to show a picture and perhaps a more productive way to approach things.

Biology and geometry are both sciences. They are both pursued reasonably and by the same methodology as all scientifical truth is.

"Fie admitem că Dumnezeu este o ipoteză ştiinţifică şi atunci îl supunem aceleiaşi judecăţi ca pe oricare ipoteză ştiinţifică, fie admitem că statutul lui Dumnezeu nu este cu nimic mai elevat decât cel al zânelor şi spiriduşilor.
" - Richard Dawkins
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