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Religious Topics / Re: Meanwhile in Holy Russia
« Last post by Volnutt on Today at 12:51:56 PM »
Said like someone who has never had to make a hard moral choice in his life. If people like you will judge the nations, then God help us all.


But at least you'll keep your precious hands clean. That's what's most important, right?
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Religious Topics / Re: Meanwhile in Holy Russia
« Last post by Xavier on Today at 12:48:14 PM »
It's lax compromisers like you that make infanticide legal in the first place - then say that because people are now used to killing their child, they need to be enabled to keep doing it. Do you know even Margaret Sanger rejected abortion as killing a hundred or so years ago? The crime of abortion was held in universal disgust, just like the crime of post-natal infanticide - even by contraceptive promoting agencies. Only the Church foresaw where the culture of death would lead. Contraception is the gateway drug to get you hooked on a life of sexual immorality; abortion is the end result of being unwilling and unprepared to care for the child you conceive; the baby you are bound "to love more than your own life" as the Didache puts it, and as every parent should love their child. Some 80% of those committing abortions were in fornication at the time. All these are works of darkness and their fruits are manifest.

One of the first things women, sometimes young women, who commit abortions, then regret doing so, ask themselves and us is, what kind of society permits mothers to kill their own babies? There are no good answers to that question. St. Basil's rule of 10 years should be followed for women who committed abortion earlier but have now repented. Those who obstinately deny that states have an obligation to outlaw abortion are guilty of heresy and should be anathematized. The Tradition of Christianity bears witness that states are bound by divine law to forbid infanticide.

The Church has every right and responsibility to fight back against the abortionists who make blood money from killing children; by doing so they have declared war on all humanity and civilization. Abortionists should receive a more severe sentence than that outlined by St. Basil; at least 3 times more severe as profiting from killing children as a profession is truly horrendous. It can be commuted to a lighter sentence if they sincerely repent of murder and vow to make amends by working to outlaw it.

Christianity has abolished infanticide before and it will do so again.
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Reviews / Re: What TV shows are you watching?
« Last post by biro on Today at 12:19:50 PM »
Tottenham vs. Southampton, 1-1 in the first half.
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Thanks.

Disregarding the Sacred Heart stuff for now:


"O God, whose mercies are without number, the treasure of Whose goodness is infinite, render thanks to Thy most gracious Majesty for the gifts Thou hast bestowed upon us...."

Only a problem if you insist on reading Medieval Catholic "treasury of merits" thinking into it. Like the Filioque, there's better ways to read it.

"We beseech Thee, loving Father, to pour into our hearts the grace of an abounding gratitude..."

Quote from: James 4:5-6
Or do you think the Scripture says without reason that the Spirit He caused to dwell in us yearns with envy? But He gives us more grace. This is why it says: “- God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

"...that whoatsoever defilements he may have contracted in the midst of this miserable and naughty world, through the lust of the flesh, or the wiles of Satan, being purged and done away...through the merits of the same Jesus Christ our Lord."

See above.

"In fullest reparation, expiation, and satisfaction for all my iniquities and negligences, and for the sins of the whole world, I offer unto Thee Thy Beloved Son, Christ Jesus, in union with that sovereign chairty with which Thou didst send Him to us....I offer His transcendent virtues....I offer the merits of the most Blessed Virgin Mary and of all thy Saints...."

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"Thine own of thine own we offer unto thee on behalf of all and for all."

"For all Thy graces in the supernatural and natural order bestowed on us through and in Jesus Christ, our Lord, the Holy Ghost working them in us..."

Is there a difference between the Spirit and the Fruit of the Spirit?

And then there just a couple of texts which tend to be...I guess often a point of criticism, such as the contemplation of the Five Wounds.

Also probably better suited for the other thread.
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Religious Topics / Re: Meanwhile in Holy Russia
« Last post by Volnutt on Today at 09:38:25 AM »
Just want to put this here for those who may have forgotten Christianity successfully abolished infanticide once before. And replaced heathen child-sacrifice with orphanages and lax "laws" permitting post-natal and pre-natal infanticide with legislation outlawing and preventing the barborous and satanic practice. If killing one's own child isn't wrong, then nothing is wrong. What's wrong with killing a stranger if killing your own child is not? with the possible exception of heinously killing your own parents in old age when they are dependent on you, few things can be imagined worse than killing your own helpless infant and baby.

"Christianity rejects infanticide. The Teachings of the Apostles or Didache said "You shall not kill that which is born."[45]  (liberal Wikipedia shamelessly edits the Didache here to mask the part about abortion immediately preceding; to mask the intrinsic connection between pre and post natal infanticide). The Epistle of Barnabas stated an identical command.[46] Apologists Tertullian, Athenagoras, Minucius Felix, Justin Martyr and Lactantius also maintained that exposing a baby to death was a wicked act.[7] In 318 AD, Constantine I considered infanticide a crime, and in 374 AD, Valentinian I mandated the rearing of all children (exposing babies, especially girls, was still common). The Council of Constantinople declared that infanticide was homicide, and in 589 AD, the Third Council of Toledo took measures against the custom of killing their own children.[40]...

In the High Middle Ages, abandoning unwanted children finally eclipsed infanticide.[citation needed] Unwanted children were left at the door of church or abbey, and the clergy was assumed to take care of their upbringing. This practice also gave rise to the first orphanages."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide#Christianity

Yes, because what we need is more priests with access to vulnerable children. That's the ticket!

Again, I don't deny that infanticide is a grave sin. I just seriously doubt that we can completely live without serious sin this side of Heaven. By all means, do whatever you can to reduce its occurrence and necessity, just don't kid yourself with the Simon Pure routine. You might wind up just trading the blood of a baby for the blood of an adult. Whoopdee-do.
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Religious Topics / Re: Meanwhile in Holy Russia
« Last post by RaphaCam on Today at 09:24:19 AM »
Just want to put this here for those who may have forgotten Christianity successfully abolished infanticide once before. And replaced heathen child-sacrifice with orphanages and lax "laws" permitting post-natal and pre-natal infanticide with legislation outlawing and preventing the barborous and satanic practice. If killing one's own child isn't wrong, then nothing is wrong. What's wrong with killing a stranger if killing your own child is not? with the possible exception of heinously killing your own parents in old age when they are dependent on you, few things can be imagined worse than killing your own helpless infant and baby.

"Christianity rejects infanticide. The Teachings of the Apostles or Didache said "You shall not kill that which is born."[45]  (liberal Wikipedia shamelessly edits the Didache here to mask the part about abortion immediately preceding; to mask the intrinsic connection between pre and post natal infanticide). The Epistle of Barnabas stated an identical command.[46] Apologists Tertullian, Athenagoras, Minucius Felix, Justin Martyr and Lactantius also maintained that exposing a baby to death was a wicked act.[7] In 318 AD, Constantine I considered infanticide a crime, and in 374 AD, Valentinian I mandated the rearing of all children (exposing babies, especially girls, was still common). The Council of Constantinople declared that infanticide was homicide, and in 589 AD, the Third Council of Toledo took measures against the custom of killing their own children.[40]...

In the High Middle Ages, abandoning unwanted children finally eclipsed infanticide.[citation needed] Unwanted children were left at the door of church or abbey, and the clergy was assumed to take care of their upbringing. This practice also gave rise to the first orphanages."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide#Christianity
:-*
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Are you aware that the word “grace” means more than one thing?
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Religious Topics / Re: Meanwhile in Holy Russia
« Last post by LivenotoneviL on Today at 09:06:53 AM »
Just want to put this here for those who may have forgotten Christianity successfully abolished infanticide once before. And replaced heathen child-sacrifice with orphanages and lax "laws" permitting post-natal and pre-natal infanticide with legislation outlawing and preventing the barborous and satanic practice. If killing one's own child isn't wrong, then nothing is wrong. What's wrong with killing a stranger if killing your own child is not? with the possible exception of heinously killing your own parents in old age when they are dependent on you, few things can be imagined worse than killing your own helpless infant and baby.

"Christianity rejects infanticide. The Teachings of the Apostles or Didache said "You shall not kill that which is born."[45]  (liberal Wikipedia shamelessly edits the Didache here to mask the part about abortion immediately preceding; to mask the intrinsic connection between pre and post natal infanticide). The Epistle of Barnabas stated an identical command.[46] Apologists Tertullian, Athenagoras, Minucius Felix, Justin Martyr and Lactantius also maintained that exposing a baby to death was a wicked act.[7] In 318 AD, Constantine I considered infanticide a crime, and in 374 AD, Valentinian I mandated the rearing of all children (exposing babies, especially girls, was still common). The Council of Constantinople declared that infanticide was homicide, and in 589 AD, the Third Council of Toledo took measures against the custom of killing their own children.[40]...

In the High Middle Ages, abandoning unwanted children finally eclipsed infanticide.[citation needed] Unwanted children were left at the door of church or abbey, and the clergy was assumed to take care of their upbringing. This practice also gave rise to the first orphanages."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide#Christianity

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That's a lot of text to parse at the same time. Would you mind summarizing in a numbered list your issues with each page you posted?

Aside from the Sacred Heart stuff, the penitential stuff just looks more or less identical to a lot of Scriptural language to me. It's certainly not "created grace" to ask God to pour out His mercy on us, if that's what you're getting at.

"Eucharistic Heart of Jesus, increase in us our Faith, Hope, and Chairty."

"O God, whose mercies are without number, the treasure of Whose goodness is infinite, render thanks to Thy most gracious Majesty for the gifts Thou hast bestowed upon us...."

"We beseech Thee, loving Father, to pour into our hearts the grace of an abounding gratitude..."

"...that whoatsoever defilements he may have contracted in the midst of this miserable and naughty world, through the lust of the flesh, or the wiles of Satan, being purged and done away...through the merits of the same Jesus Christ our Lord."

"In fullest reparation, expiation, and satisfaction for all my iniquities and negligences, and for the sins of the whole world, I offer unto Thee Thy Beloved Son, Christ Jesus, in union with that sovereign chairty with which Thou didst send Him to us....I offer His transcendent virtues....I offer the merits of the most Blessed Virgin Mary and of all thy Saints...."

"I praise Thee, I thank Thee, and I love Thee, all incapable and unworthy as I am, in union with Thy dear Son, Jesus Christ, our Savior and our God, in the mercifulness of His Heart and through His infinite merits..."

"For all Thy graces in the supernatural and natural order bestowed on us through and in Jesus Christ, our Lord, the Holy Ghost working them in us..."

And then there just a couple of texts which tend to be...I guess often a point of criticism, such as the contemplation of the Five Wounds.
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Religious Topics / Re: Meanwhile in Holy Russia
« Last post by Xavier on Today at 08:49:50 AM »
Just want to put this here for those who may have forgotten Christianity successfully abolished infanticide once before. And replaced heathen child-sacrifice with orphanages and lax "laws" permitting post-natal and pre-natal infanticide with legislation outlawing and preventing the barborous and satanic practice. If killing one's own child isn't wrong, then nothing is wrong. What's wrong with killing a stranger if killing your own child is not? with the possible exception of heinously killing your own parents in old age when they are dependent on you, few things can be imagined worse than killing your own helpless infant and baby.

"Christianity rejects infanticide. The Teachings of the Apostles or Didache said "You shall not kill that which is born."[45]  (liberal Wikipedia shamelessly edits the Didache here to mask the part about abortion immediately preceding; to mask the intrinsic connection between pre and post natal infanticide). The Epistle of Barnabas stated an identical command.[46] Apologists Tertullian, Athenagoras, Minucius Felix, Justin Martyr and Lactantius also maintained that exposing a baby to death was a wicked act.[7] In 318 AD, Constantine I considered infanticide a crime, and in 374 AD, Valentinian I mandated the rearing of all children (exposing babies, especially girls, was still common). The Council of Constantinople declared that infanticide was homicide, and in 589 AD, the Third Council of Toledo took measures against the custom of killing their own children.[40]...

In the High Middle Ages, abandoning unwanted children finally eclipsed infanticide.[citation needed] Unwanted children were left at the door of church or abbey, and the clergy was assumed to take care of their upbringing. This practice also gave rise to the first orphanages."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide#Christianity
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