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 on: Today at 05:16:12 PM 
Started by Marat - Last post by JamesR
Getting into a relationship with me is kind of like getting a vasectomy

Sounds good to me. I been needing to get one of those.

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 on: Today at 05:16:04 PM 
Started by Saint Iaint - Last post by Nathanael
One of the best and powerful summary of monasticism - in two minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3zR0posvnQ

A monk from Valaam monastery

Very nice, thanks for sharing.

Unfortunately there're no english subtitles.. :l. Just French.
Would be great if somebody could do it - for the others. Myself, I understand the most part.

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 on: Today at 05:15:58 PM 
Started by orthoreader - Last post by Ekdikos
Would I be too bold to state that you missed the Serbian government involvement in encouraging the situation with Archbishop Jovan+ in the first place?
Yes it would be to bold. I would even go further with charachterization, but I dont want to be rude. Government of Serbia, back then was not in good terms with Serbian Church for start, and latter when other Governments appeared, they never took any initative.


I mean - did everyone involved expect that Macedonia was going to roll out the red carpet and exclaim, "Yes, thank you for Jovan+"?
He just accepted agreement other also accepted, then refused. But, seriously do you think Serbian Orthodox Church will just accept dictate of splinter group? Or that any other Orthodox Church will give support to Macedonians... Compromis was offered. What was wrong with Autonomy under name of Archbishopric of Ochrid? In few years, it could become Autocephaly...


No, what was expected to happen, happened. Any Bishop who cared even an iota for the salvation of the Macedonian people would not have allowed separation of Jovan+ from the MOC let alone issue a tomos to recognize the POA as the "recognized" Church in Macedonia.
So, is this question of salvation of humankind or salvation of Macedonian people? What was so endangering by entering in communion with Patriarch of Peć? Was Macedonian language forbidden? Nope, it was recognised back in 1967... Serbia is not enemy of Macedonia... Nor Serbian Church.


Mind you. I am in no way excuse the actions of the Macedonian government or the MOC for that matter. The Archbishop should be freed today.
They wont free him. They are simply to short sited.

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 on: Today at 05:15:27 PM 
Started by Osterloh - Last post by Raylight
Sorry, I wasn't sent to respect anyone's religion (Orthodox or Muslim).

But you expect them to respect yours?

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Jesus never told me to ask permission to evangelize

No, but St. Paul said to respect and obey the civil authorities, which, judging from your next statement

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In 1994, while driving at very high speeds on dangerous mountain roads,

You seemed to ignore and disobey by not following the speed limit.

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Jesus said to me 2 or 3 times,
"I raised you up for this purpose; I gave you the necessary skills and abilities to do this work for me."
This is straight out of my 1994 diary.

This is one of the things that truly scares me about Evangelicals. There are so many people literally believing that God spoke to them and gave them free run to do whatever misplaced agenda they have. If I thought that God was talking to me, I'd have assumed that either I was finally losing it or I used too much Snus or both.

God speak to whoever He wants to speak. It is NOT you who decide what God can and can't do. If you have little faith in God, then that is your issue.

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 on: Today at 05:13:51 PM 
Started by Osterloh - Last post by TheTrisagion
Also, there's nothing wrong with evangelizing in traditionally Orthodox areas, you just have to respect the Orthodox already there by asking permission from the area's bishops (like Billy Graham did), and actually treating the Orthodox faith with respect.  It would make you seem less opportunistic and would get you a lot less "unwarranted" conflict.

Using your educated wife's weaker grasp of mathematics as an example doesn't say anything about how intellectual understanding of the faith is harmful -- just that you don't seem to realize that people have different strengths and weaknesses when it comes to academic subjects.

Sorry, I wasn't sent to respect anyone's religion (Orthodox or Muslim).
Jesus never told me to ask permission to evangelize ... His permission was all that mattered.
There just wasn't time ... the workers are few ... most days we averaged about 8 villages per day.

In 1994, while driving at very high speeds on dangerous mountain roads,
Jesus said to me 2 or 3 times,
"I raised you up for this purpose; I gave you the necessary skills and abilities to do this work for me."
This is straight out of my 1994 diary.

Sounds like you know nothing about the 5+ decades of the dumbing-down of America.
My wife will be the first one to acknowledge that ... and the drastic weaknesses of American education.
I suppose my question for you then is, why are you here?  I don't mind an evangelical here now and then, it adds a level of entertainment to the forum, but do you really expect to convert someone here? Are you just here for arguments sake? Do you think that Jesus has called you to this forum? You seem to be someone who is looking to justify his past and decided to come on here to argue for old times sake.  Again, I don't care if you do, it makes no difference to me, but it does strike me as somewhat odd...

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 on: Today at 05:13:20 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by JamesR

Glamorous?

 7 
 on: Today at 05:12:56 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by Raylight

Harsh  Cry

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 on: Today at 05:11:33 PM 
Started by Aquensis - Last post by Sinful Hypocrite
Occasionally I end up talking with a Protestant about Christianity, and their ideas about soteriology seem so insane. I always just stop talking when it comes to that because I can't stand to listen to their ideas that make God sound monstrous, but I wish I could say something. I can't think of any way to boil down Orthodox soteriology into a conversationally friendly way.

One thing is obviously that God does not change, God has no limiting factors or needs, it was not God who Christ's work acted on (it didn't change his mind), it was us. God wanted to redeem us, the Bible says "God so loved the world" not "God had to avenge his justice" or "God's rage was exceeding and he had to kill something"... but I'm not sure I could make a case from that.

God can't stand to listen to most of what we have to say, but he still forgives our sins if we forgive others, and realize we are the chief sinner.

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 on: Today at 05:11:06 PM 
Started by Osterloh - Last post by JamesR
Sorry, I wasn't sent to respect anyone's religion (Orthodox or Muslim).

But you expect them to respect yours?

Quote
Jesus never told me to ask permission to evangelize

No, but St. Paul said to respect and obey the civil authorities, which, judging from your next statement

Quote
In 1994, while driving at very high speeds on dangerous mountain roads,

You seemed to ignore and disobey by not following the speed limit.

Quote
Jesus said to me 2 or 3 times,
"I raised you up for this purpose; I gave you the necessary skills and abilities to do this work for me."
This is straight out of my 1994 diary.

This is one of the things that truly scares me about Evangelicals. There are so many people literally believing that God spoke to them and gave them free run to do whatever misplaced agenda they have. If I thought that God was talking to me, I'd have assumed that either I was finally losing it or I used too much Snus or both.

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 on: Today at 05:10:43 PM 
Started by Raylight - Last post by kelly
Funny!

Fuzzy

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