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I recall reading of Amazonian cockroach wasps years ago.  It's nothing new.  Nasty though; in a way an illustration in nature of the principles of demon posession, although the latter is of course reversible.
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Faith Issues / Re: Why am I poor?
« Last post by Iconodule on Today at 04:26:25 PM »
I want to be able to give to those in need so I can be saved but I have no money too much emphasis is placed from my father and maybe the priests who say God gives rain to the good and evil and encourage human effort mostly to get money. But do we have enough faith in the bible that God will give us what we need if we seek first the kingdom of God or is that ridiculus as maybe even my dad thinks. Is not our job to meditate on the scripture and get close to the church and God will bless us? Jesus said do not labor for the food that perishes but for the food that endures to everlasting life which the Son of Man will give you because God the Father has set His seal on Him. Does that mean He wanted the focus of our efforts to be on Him and He will show us work to do to provide for our needs as He said delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart? or He will make the work easy. Will He give us more business ideas and renew our strength to implement it so we prosper?
Do we believe God takes care of us like He did the Jews to set us apart?
God does give rain to the good and evil He provides for all but He blesses the righteous and those who seek first the kingdom with money to share

If you are rich you can't enter Kingdom of Heaven.
Thats news to King Solomon.

PP
And to PeterTheAleut.

Luke 18:25:

For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Exactly! That's the very verse I was thinking of when I told you it's difficult but not impossible for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. In that verse, Jesus was not talking about trying to shove a camel through the eye of a sewing needle, which would indeed be impossible. Rather, He was talking about city gates with a door known as the eye of a needle. Such a door was small enough that the camel rider would have to dismount his beast, strip it of any major burdens, and ease it through the door on its knees. Such a task could be accomplished, but it was rather difficult and required much effort.

This is a speculation and definitely not the definitive interpretation.
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Good point Mor. But the issue is not to randomly pick a time and go back to it without consideration of how it was inherited. Rather, the issue at hand is that there is an inconsistent view of the diaconate now. We have some diocese that ordain a deacon to every church and other diocese that never ordain. We are simply trying to explore why we find this observation. I think the thread was started to try to find continuity among the other OO churches to see if there is a common understanding of the diaconate among the OO.

Do you think the inconsistencies we have now are an organic result of the diaconate over time and should it stay that way? (That is an honest question)
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Reviews / Re: What is everyone reading?
« Last post by Justin Kissel on Today at 04:23:47 PM »
John Behr, Becoming Human: Meditations on Christian Anthropology in Word and Image

St Maximus Confessor Selected Writings

As seen on page 101, in the month of May, in the year 2015, this thread peaked. Let us all give thanks.
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Say hello to the dementor wasp. It turns cockroaches into zombies.

Add this to my nightmare list: A creature that turns prey into a zombie, then eats it alive.

That's pretty much the M.O. of Ampulex dementor, a wasp named after the mythical "Harry Potter" creatures that suck souls with abandon. Dementor wasps inject venom into cockroach prey, right in the belly, rendering it a "passive zombie," according to a new report from the World Wildlife Fund. The report details 139 new species discovered in the Greater Mekong region during 2014.

"Cockroach wasp venom blocks receptors of the neurotransmitter octopamine, which is involved in the initiation of spontaneous movement," according to the report. "With this blocked, the cockroach is still capable of movement, but is unable to direct its own body. Once the cockroach has lost control, the wasp drags its stupefied prey by the antennae to a safe shelter to devour it."...
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Laity confirms the council??
« Last post by Cyrillic on Today at 03:53:24 PM »
Who is the heir to that church is another matter.

None. That would be bad ecclesiology.

This is the same man who said whoever excommunicated tome excommunicates themself from the Catholic Church. ;)

Perhaps, but if he said so it was because he considered the tome to be orthodox, not because the tome was written by the Pope.

So none are the continuation of that church?

The Church is the first millenium Church, not the 'heir' to it. The Church didn't die or cease to exist in 1000AD/1054AD, only to be reborn from its ashes a few moments later.

LOL your assumption is wrong. Read the letter in question and see how he views Rome ;)

Alright, if you read his letter to Marinus and the piece quoted by Isa.

Care to link to the letter, though?
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Laity confirms the council??
« Last post by Wandile on Today at 03:52:16 PM »
Who is the heir to that church is another matter.

None. That would be bad ecclesiology.

This is the same man who said whoever excommunicated tome excommunicates themself from the Catholic Church. ;)

Perhaps, but if he said so it was because he considered the tome to be orthodox, not because the tome was written by the Pope.

LOL your assumption is wrong. Read the letter in question and see how he views Rome ;)
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Laity confirms the council??
« Last post by Wandile on Today at 03:51:15 PM »
Who is the heir to that church is another matter.

None. That would be bad ecclesiology.

This is the same man who said whoever excommunicated tome excommunicates themself from the Catholic Church. ;)

Perhaps, but if he said so it was because he considered the tome to be orthodox, not because the tome was written by the Pope.

So none are the continuation of that church?
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Laity confirms the council??
« Last post by Cyrillic on Today at 03:49:26 PM »
Who is the heir to that church is another matter.

None. That would be bad ecclesiology.

This is the same man who said whoever excommunicated tome excommunicates themself from the Catholic Church. ;)

Perhaps, but if he said so it was because he considered the tome to be orthodox, not because the tome was written by the Pope.
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Orthodox-Catholic Discussion / Re: Laity confirms the council??
« Last post by Wandile on Today at 03:49:07 PM »
Justin Kissel  and others

What I purely ask is this :

Can a council be Ecumenical before the laity accept the council? Or does the laity's approval make it ecumenical despite the bishops all agreeing to the council?
Can a council be ecumenical by its very nature from its inception? Or at the very least at its immediate conclusion once the substance (teachings) of the council has come to life ,that is, made evident?

I think you're trying to parse this too finely. There's never been a point at which the bishops have gone "Well, that's what we agree on! Now we have to send it to the laity for ratification." It isn't as though the bishops are the US Senate and the laity are the House of Representatives.

The bishops are held as being the mouth of the Church entire, they speak both for themselves and for the laity. If a Council's ruling winds up standing the test of time (something which is often not completely certain until the next council), then it turns out that it was Ecumenical all along. The right believing bishops had always been speaking for the right believing laypeople and the dissenting bishops and laypeople had always been wrong. As Fr. Hopko put it, "In Orthodoxy we find the truth by fighting it out."

On this principle... So if in the next century all orthodox decide Mary is a goddess ( cant imagine a matter of doctrine not officially decided on yet so bear with me) and they hold a council which decrees this, the church assents it and it stands for 4 centuries... Are the people of that time (4 centuries later) right to believe the council is ecumenical despite because of the rules you have set above?

No, because Christ said the gates of Hell will never triumph. Such a Heretical Robber Council will always be resisted by some Orthodox remnant and the council will be deposed, even if it takes centuries.

Admittedly, this gets into "leap of faith" territory, but doesn't that apply to all things Christian on some level?

Ok I just wanted to confirm that there is a "leap of faith" in all this because the way you initially presented it made it seem like it was purely mechanical and unguided except by human will. It sounds a lot better now

So can you quite a father or a council teaching this principle anywhere in history?
St. Maximos the Confessor.

Quote him
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"To which church do you belong? To that of Byzantium, of Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, or Jerusalem? For all these churches, together with the provinces in subjection to them, are in unity. Therefore, if you also belong to the Catholic Church, enter into communion with us at once, lest fashioning for yourself some new and strange pathway, you fall      into that which you do not even expect!"

 

To this the righteous man wisely replied, "Christ the Lord called that Church the Catholic Church which maintains the true and saving confession of the Faith. It was for this confession that He called Peter blessed, and He declared that He would found His Church upon this confession.

 

However, I wish to know the contents of your confession, on the basis of which all churches, as you say, have entered into communion. If it is not opposed to the truth, then neither will I be separated from it."

 

 

[After hearing their confession of Faith, and after further discussion, he was asked]

 

 

"But what will you do," inquired the envoys, "when the Romans are united to the Byzantines? Yesterday, indeed, two delegates arrived from Rome and tomorrow, the Lord's day, they will communicate the Holy Mysteries with the Patriarch. "

 

The Saint replied, "Even if the whole universe holds communion with the Patriarch, I will not communicate with him. For I know from the writings of the holy Apostle Paul: the Holy Spirit declares that even the angels would be anathema if they should begin to preach another Gospel, introducing some new teaching."
http://www.saintjonah.org/articles/maximos1.htm

This is the same man who said whoever excommunicates Rome excommunicates themself from the Catholic Church. ;)

His hypothetical answer to the lie told to him that roman envoys had effectively accepted heresy is a reply and Catholic today is bound to confess.
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