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...when you disagree with the irascible one, Mr. Putin.
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This is one of the issues that is impossible to express perfectly.  Development vs deeper understanding vs outright change are actually matters of nuance and some people who are more strict minded can have trouble with that.  At the same time people who really embrace nuance can have trouble figuring out when those lines cross.  For me there is nothing in the writings of the Fathers that contradicts the formulations by the Councils.  And they certainly believed  in the meanings behind the words even if all would not have been able to express it in such a way.  Keep in mind the apostles were far from scholars (except maybe Paul).
The main problem I have with this issue is that the Catholic Church uses it to argue that the Satisfaction Theory of Atonement is part of the faith that is "once for all delivered to the saints," even though the theory was, at best, only remotely suggested by the saints before Anselm of Canterbury.   
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Faith Issues / Re: Was the command of the Garden a "not yet?"
« Last post by Porter ODoran on Today at 03:38:16 PM »
Obviously Paradise cannot then comprise anything Christ must conquer.
Christ may do as he pleases, but as he pleases to effect the salvation of the world, he does indeed conquer paradise.

http://www.bethmardutho.org/index.php/hugoye/volume-index/140.html

You're missing my point, which is that Christ does not work to restore us to error and guilt; therefore, Paradise cannot contain those.

And sayings such as "Christ may do as he pleases" are not helpful, theologically or any other way, as the foundation of all helpful understanding is that God pleases only to do good.
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Reviews / Re: What is everyone reading?
« Last post by Justin Kissel on Today at 03:36:15 PM »
So it makes for extra hard editing.

The fact that you would bother to edit puts you well ahead of most writers--and editors.  8)
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Faith Issues / Re: Was the command of the Garden a "not yet?"
« Last post by NicholasMyra on Today at 03:35:00 PM »
Obviously Paradise cannot then comprise anything Christ must conquer.
Christ may do as he pleases, but as he pleases to effect the salvation of the world, he does indeed conquer paradise.

http://www.bethmardutho.org/index.php/hugoye/volume-index/140.html
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Reviews / Re: What is everyone reading?
« Last post by biro on Today at 03:33:27 PM »
Just got "Bred to Kill," by Franck Thilliez. His first book, "Syndrome E," was very good.
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Even if I know that a holy relic is approved by archaeologists to come from a saint and is approved by an Orthodox bishop as blessed, I'm still not sure whether I can find it in myself to test my spiritual well-being on an object. I mean, it's still quite possible that the devil has taken an object and disguised it as a relic. No?       

It doesn't sound like you're talking about what we talk about when we talk about relics.
Explain.

Most relics have nothing to do with archeologists, most of them are taken from the body after it has been exhumed. The vast majority of relics are known to come from the Saints, they are not esoteric rare finds.
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So people at a church you're no longer attending are going to talk trash about you.  OOOOOH!  SCARRRRRRY!

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Negated. Many Christians in this country are not orthodox at all 1/4 of them believe in reincarnation, among other things. I don't think it matters what those people think.

I have no idea what that has to do with what I wrote, nor what Schultz did *shrugs*
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Faith Issues / Re: Was the command of the Garden a "not yet?"
« Last post by sakura95 on Today at 03:27:18 PM »
If I'm not mistaken that is quite close to St Irenaeus' view of the Fall. Adam and Eve were made as children and the Fall is simply a display of their immaturity after being tempted by the Serpent. Children are often adventurous and curious and the Serpent simply added to that curiosity to spur them into feasting upon the fruit of the Tree.
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