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Religious Topics / Re: UAOC?
« Last post by Alpo on Today at 12:30:59 PM »
Well, Patriarch Filaret evidently doesn't think much of them.

Source?

https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/confessional/orthodox_relations/73091/

From the source:

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Metropolitan Makariy also demanded that the new name necessarily contain the word “Autocephalous”. The priests of the UOC-KP rejected these proposals.

Uhm...what?
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I know that for Orthodox Christians to attend the religious service of other Christians denominations or other religions is a serious sin. Sometime I even think to enter the Catholic or Protestant Churches or building of other religion as tourist even is a sin.
That is why I am very cautious about it.
False

Indeed so.   There is a canon against praying with heretics, but this clearly was meant to apply to scenarios like attending and participating in a Gnostic or Arian religious service and predated the schisms that separated the Nicene Orthodox-Catholic Christians into different denominations.  Also, offering a sacrifice to a pagan deity is obviously forbidden.  However, I am not aware of anything that would prohibit an Orthodox Christian from touring a Catholic church or visiting a Catholic church in order to venerate the relics of an Orthodox saint.  And as has been stated, there is a Byzantine altar there and the Moscow Patriarchate has conducted services at that church. 

I would very much like to in my lifetime visit the Bahai Temple in Chicago, the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, the Samaritan synagogue and temple near and at the summit of Mount Gerizim, the Karaite Jewish synagogue in Daly City or one in Israel, the Hurva Synagogue in Jerusalem, the Sikh “Golden Dome” in India, and several of the more picturesque Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples in Japan.  But I would not of course join in Banai, Islamic, Shinto, Samaritan, Jewish, Buddhist or Sikh prayer.  Although I might eat the food Sikhs give away, although its vegetarian and a bit yucky-looking, so probably not.

  I have visited scores of Catholic, Lutheran and Anglican cathedrals in Europe; alas I havent been to Europe since I converted in 2013 so I never visited an Orthodox church there.

I was there a few years ago, even though by that time I was aware St. Nicholas wasn’t a historical person, most likely.
But there were busloads of Russian pilgrim as all around. In the crypt there is even an orthodox altar with an iconostasis as a good will gesture of the latin archbishop. And Bari is beautiful. Go eat at Tana del Polpo.
Also the Bari art museum has an extensive collection of Byzantine paintings and icons from Apullia.

St. Nicholas of Myra most certainly was a real person; his deeds are recorded in the accounts of the Council of Nicea and other sources.  He is listed as a confessor of the church who was tortured under Diocletian; a forensic examination of his relics bears this out as the carbon dating seems correct, and examination of his skull indicates his nose was broken at least three times during his life, consistent with the torture endured by Christians under Diocletian.   There are numerous other historical records identifying St. Nicholas as the bishop of Myra.  He is known specifically for using church funds to pay the dowries of three impoverished girls who were approaching adolesence and otherwise would have been forced into prostitution.

Santa Claus is kind of a mythologized hybrid of St. Nicholas and St. Basil of Caesarea, who is also a real person; it was St. Basil who used the funds of his diocese to open hostels, hospices and the first institution in Western history we would recognize as a hospital.
it’s not all that simple but I agree his chances at being a historical person seem higher than St. George’s. Or Catheribe’s . Or Sophia and her daughters. So there is that .

Well we do have a body, and not just a body, but a body of the right age, which shows evidence of being tortured, with a clear “chain of custody” from when the Orthodox began venerating it to when the Roman Catholics stole it, and this body does miraculously stream myrhh, one of only a few relics in the world to do so.  So there is that...

Stole?
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Convert Issues / Re: Parish Priest Behavior and Church Disenchantment
« Last post by hecma925 on Today at 12:19:16 PM »
Who do I actually contact to submit a complaint? My former parish is under the Eastern Diocese of ROCOR, and all I can find is an email address for general inquiries.

Send a complaint to the diocesan center

210 Alexander Avenue
Howell, NJ 07731

I personally would send a written complaint with a return receipt for confirmation.

Address it directly to Metropolitan Hilarion.  He is the diocesan bishop after all.
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I'm not familiar with the workings of ROCOR, so someone who is could maybe fill in, but I did find this on their website:

https://eadiocese.org/court.html

It looks like they want petitions to be sent by snail mail, but there is also contact info for the individual administrators.
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Convert Issues / Re: Parish Priest Behavior and Church Disenchantment
« Last post by Saxon on Today at 12:03:13 PM »
Who do I actually contact to submit a complaint? My former parish is under the Eastern Diocese of ROCOR, and all I can find is an email address for general inquiries.
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Reviews / New book about the Georgian-Armenian schism
« Last post by Iconodule on Today at 11:58:51 AM »
For anyone with $123 lying around, this sounds interesting:

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In the early seventh century, the Georgian and the Armenian Churches separated. Since then, the two nations formed their distinct Christian cultures and national Churches. This also resulted in mutual antagonism, the repercussions of which are still observable in modern Caucasia - This is the prevalent narrative that one encounters in modern histories of medieval Caucasia. In the centre of this narrative lies the Schism - a watershed that divides the history of Caucasia into two chronological constituents, the era before and after. Indeed, the Schism is allegedly one of the most well documented events in Caucasian history, infinitely evoked and referred to in medieval Armenian historical accounts. The present study is an attempt to deconstruct this grand narrative by focusing on the formation of the narrative of the Schism, its central element. It argues that the narrative of the Schism was perpetually reconstructed and reinvented by medieval historians for the purpose of sustaining teleological continuity in their perception of the region's history. In the historical imaginaries of different medieval writers in different times and places, the Schism served as an interpretive tool in attempts to create a sound connection between the present and the forgotten past. The Schism was once again reinvented in contemporary Armenian and Georgia national discourses, and thence has made its way into scholarly studies.

http://easternchristianbooks.blogspot.com/2018/10/georgian-and-armenian-memories-of.html
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Maybe I'm missing something, but this "intel" seems to be pure rumor. No leaked conversations, no emails or letters, nothing to prove that Patriarch Bartholomew is getting bribes from anyone. Sure, such things are plausible and provide an explanation, but that doesn't make them true. Maybe the MP does have something, but they don't want to reveal it because it would also prove they are spying on the EP. I don't know. But until something actually comes out, there is no reason to believe such rumors. I love Met. Hilarion as a theological writer but when he speaks with his DECR hat on and makes unsubstantiated accusations, he could be charitably called irresponsible.
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Mike: Our spiritual tradition should lead us to judge ourselves for our own thoughts and actions, and to find the goodness in others.  But even in our self-evaluation, all thoughts should come back to the Lord's all-encompassing love for us in our brokenness.  He gave forgiveness to the rightfully convicted thief on the Cross; he gave forgiveness to the sinful woman; he healed the son of the man who said "I believe; help my unbelief!"  When we acknowledge our helplessness without Him, He helps us in His goodness and love.  Allow yourself to be corrected, but also uplifted, in your faith, and do not despair - we know how the story ends (Christ is Risen!).
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Prayer Forum / Re: For some personal issues
« Last post by Musicnerd88 on Today at 11:41:28 AM »
Lord have mercy!
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Religious Topics / Re: UAOC?
« Last post by Mor Ephrem on Today at 10:57:33 AM »
There are 3 distinct origins for UAOC, 1921, 1943, and 1989.

Even the Son only has at most two origins.  #filioque
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