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 on: Today at 01:52:47 PM 
Started by Orthodox Youth - Last post by Samn!
Then you're not familiar with the situation. The racism is on the part of the Greeks, who refuse to allow Arabs to become monks or to provide theological education in Arabic. This is a situation going back a few hundred years.

Got it. It's only racism when you do it first. Now the Arabs are absolved because they didn't start the fight. Astonishingly juvenile.

How is it racist and juvenile to want foreigners who have colonized a church without ever having any connection to its land and people-- who usually don't even speak its language-- and have prevented the people of the church from having basic spiritual care, let alone any say in the guidance of the church, to give up their unjust control?

When the Greeks controlling the Patriarchate of Jerusalem refuse demands like these: http://araborthodoxy.blogspot.fr/2014/06/arabic-speaking-clergy-of-patriarchate.html  it becomes very hard to see them as acting at all in good faith.

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 on: Today at 01:39:55 PM 
Started by Volnutt - Last post by Mor Ephrem
If we all admit to being idolatrous image-worshippers, will you stop posting the same diatribes over and over and over and over?

 Kiss

Mor, are you beaming a kiss?

Oh yeah...

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 on: Today at 01:38:29 PM 
Started by Wandile - Last post by Mor Ephrem


So I agree with St Irenaeus.  But I think St Irenaeus still had a wider context within which he was thinking and writing.       
Or you hope he did because disagreeing with a Church Father is awkward?

No, but thanks for trying.

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 on: Today at 01:37:20 PM 
Started by Pravoslavac - Last post by Mor Ephrem
How funny to see as this bishop condemns "Latin heresy" the camera pans up to show on the iconostasis a very Latin image of the Coronation of the Blessed Virgin Mary.  Cheesy



Wink

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 on: Today at 01:34:29 PM 
Started by Volnutt - Last post by yeshuaisiam
If we all admit to being idolatrous image-worshippers, will you stop posting the same diatribes over and over and over and over?
I am new here.
Does this fellow post the same type thread in other forums or of like and similar in nature?
His issue here seems as a serious inquiry or is he just a troll?
Curious people want to know.
I would not consider myself a troll, or not trying it to be as such.  I'm a long term Eastern Orthodox Christian that left the EO church on my realization of what ecumenism was. 

I think it would be fair to say this issue has come up time and time again.  This time I kind of let it all out.  It's not a trollish argument, but merely a way for me to make sure what I did was the right decision by creating some distance in myself with the EO church.  I routinely try to get proven wrong in consideration of the vast history of the EO church.

I know it's kind of long winded, and I think many of those here on OC.net are beat to death with it.  Of course, nobody forces them to read my posts.  There are other issues I have with the church as well. 

It's not the core of the faith, but rather, the "inceptions" of the core of the faith.   It is funny to say that I'd agree with 90% of what the EO church teaches but then hit a wall on the other 10%.

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 on: Today at 01:33:11 PM 
Started by Orthodox Youth - Last post by Alveus Lacuna
Then you're not familiar with the situation. The racism is on the part of the Greeks, who refuse to allow Arabs to become monks or to provide theological education in Arabic. This is a situation going back a few hundred years.

Got it. It's only racism when you do it first. Now the Arabs are absolved because they didn't start the fight. Astonishingly juvenile.

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 on: Today at 01:32:43 PM 
Started by Superior Practices - Last post by Anna.T
Converts, inquirers, the simply curious and the not well travelled among us need to remember several things. It is typical for us, as Orthodox Christians here, to post comments or observations about our own parish' s or jurisdiction' s practices as if they are the "norm" across the board in Orhodoxy when things such as standing or not standing, kneeling or not kneeling, pews or no pews and the typical cycle of observed services on a local level and the length thereof are being discussed. We all, based on our experiences and preferences, relate what we know and often others may conclude that this or that is " is THE Orthodox" practice. So...keep in mind that you might find four or five Orthodox churches in a community, all in communion with one another -and sometimes under the same bishop or Synod, and "norm" is that there are likely modest variations in the aforementioned external practice at each church.

This is VERY true. I have traveled now to a modest number of Churches, several jurisdictions, etc. and while I find certain general things the same across them all, it would be a much longer list of ways they differ than what is the same in ALL of them. That's not as much variation as it sounds like, but I was really surprised how many minor differences I found here and there, so that essentially no two Churches are exactly the same in every respect.

There are even very minor differences when a visiting priest came to our Church during Father's vacation. He said certain things loud enough to hear that Father normally doesn't, and did some prayers quietly that I'm used to hearing.

But all these little things DO vary. And sometimes they vary a bit, such as between Greek (which I'm familiar with) and OCA (which tended to be heavily Slavonic where I visited) or Russian.

There is beauty and value in them all though. Smiley

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 on: Today at 01:27:42 PM 
Started by Volnutt - Last post by Volnutt
Third, we are not to serve them.
Why do you think people salute the flag? I'm guessing as an Anabaptist, you don't do it yourself. But do you know why others do?

At least the Anabaptists and the JW's are consistent in this respect. There are many conservative Protestants who would get the vapors if you suggested putting an icon up in their church, but they have no problem with having a huge American flag there. Back before 1776, their Puritan forebears objected to crosses in the sanctuary, but were perfectly okay putting up a crown symbolizing the King/Queen of England.
Indeed.

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 on: Today at 01:25:46 PM 
Started by qawe - Last post by Paisius
This isn't really as complicated as some make it out to be.

If you're at a place where non Orthodox are praying or worshipping, then be respectful, but do not participate or sing along with what they are doing.

Unless your spiritual father tells you something different or gives you a blessing for something, don't do anything beyond being respectful and courteous.

Sometimes at work, one of our managers may say grace over food if we are having some kind of celebratory event (retirement, holiday party etc). I stand respectfully when they say their prayer, I say my own prayer of gratitude, and we go on and eat and no one is offended nor does anyone really notice. I do notice two of my co-workers who are Jewish, also not participating. Good for them and good for us when we do the same as we are called to.



I think a better solution would be to put your fingers in your ears and go "LA, LA, LA, LA" very loudly until they are finished and then cross yourself dramatically and say your own prayers. I appreciate your attempts to be respectful but it could give these dirty heretics the impression that you did in fact pray with them and then by extension approve of every single belief they have ever had. Better safe than sorry.

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 on: Today at 01:23:33 PM 
Started by Wandile - Last post by Volnutt


You are right. Russia is a frighting place, always was unto this day.
There are only tears (and ghosts) in Holy Russia...

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