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Title: Vesture: East meets West
Post by: The young fogey on April 03, 2003, 04:56:36 PM
The pic is of Fr John O'Gorman, longtime Catholic pastor (from Ireland, and old-school) in Norton, Stockton-on-Tees, England (where a friend of mine is from):

(http://www.rcdhn.org.uk/~stjoseph/golden%20jubilee%20web%20pics/0058-father-greets.jpg)

Wonderful!

Looks like the same cloth as Orthodox vestments and almost like the lowback Greek style.
Title: Re:Vesture: East meets West
Post by: the slave on April 03, 2003, 05:08:55 PM
Glorious - what I know as flowing Gothic.

Nothing nicer.
Title: Re:Vesture: East meets West
Post by: The young fogey on April 03, 2003, 10:06:24 PM
Yes, flowing Gothic - the kind of thing the pre-Vatican II liturgical movement (which loved the Eastern rites) wanted.
Title: Re:Vesture: East meets West
Post by: the slave on April 04, 2003, 02:46:23 AM
Believe it or not - what we use every day [ though gold is only for best - and none of our priests have any gold ones :( ]
Title: Re:Vesture: East meets West
Post by: Mor Ephrem on April 04, 2003, 11:36:50 AM
And then, on the other side, Ordinary Time meets the battlefield...

(http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030331/i/1049129212.3019972680.jpg)

A lot of people seem to hate Roman vestments (the fiddlebacks, as opposed to Gothic), but if they're done right, I kinda like them.  At any rate, this is a look even I never expected.  It's interesting, though, to see how Mass is done on the battlefield.  I can't envision a camouflage phelonion, though, particularly not a highback.    

Title: Re:Vesture: East meets West
Post by: Mor Ephrem on April 04, 2003, 11:40:08 AM
Believe it or not - what we use every day

Dear Slave,

Are Roman vestments otherwise popular in your area, that you said what you said about Gothic vestments in this way?  Because around here, I've never seen anything other than Gothic vestments, except in the one Tridentine Mass I ever attended.
Title: Re:Vesture: East meets West
Post by: the slave on April 04, 2003, 11:57:40 AM
Dear Mor,

There are Gothic and Gothic - if you take my meaning ;)

Some are made from stiff heavy materials with the decoration in the more traditional  'V' from the shoulders and they are not as full.

Flowing Gothic are from softer material - much more full , often with simpler decoration [ some I have seen with nothing on the front ] and it has to be admitted they drape beautifully.

And yes I have seen Tridentine ones - and must confess that they are really not my 'thing'
Title: Re:Vesture: East meets West
Post by: JoeZollars on April 05, 2003, 01:13:03 PM
What on earth is that man doing wearing fiddlebacks while saying a NO Mass???????????  Seems like a Gothic would cover the white of the alb better.

Great pic Serge.

Joe Zollars